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mell says

That being said, not too surprised, there are hardly any tax friendly states left in the US, they're all converging in one way or the other. Just gotta be smart no matter where you live

Texas, Florida, Wyoming, Nevada, Arizona, Tennessee, the Dakotas, Alaska.

I looked at their ratings for tax friendly states and saw that California is included and for exactly the reasons you stated. Of course they cited taxes on a hypothetical California home at $300,000. El oh El, where oh where are you finding a middle class home for $300k in California? The hood in Fresno or Bakersfield?

Hey you can pick up this 980 sq ft gem for only $229k

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

DD214 says

10 Least Tax-Friendly States for Middle-Class Families

https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/least-tax-friendly-states-for-middle-class-families

I don’t understand why California isn’t on there. Sales tax is usually 10-12%, income tax brackets are not generous, and while property tax isn’t high as a percentage, property values are so high that the amount paid on an apples to apples comparison of homes in the larger cities is much higher than many of those higher property tax states.

It’s because you’re looking at the wrong article. Check this one out. 😂😂😂

https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/most-tax-friendly-states-for-middle-class-families

Eman says

It’s because you’re looking at the wrong article. Check this one out. 😂😂😂

https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/most-tax-friendly-states-for-middle-class-families

Eman! Hope you're doing well; sounds like it based on some recent postings. I just reactivated my presence here.

People make CA sound like some kind of tax 9th Circle of Hell, which it certainly isn't as that Kiplinger article points out. Prop 13 keeps my overall taxes quite low, and predictable. With a prudent tax strategy, one can live in CA and have very low taxes. For those who pay W2 tax, the difference between CA and other states really isn't a big deal, since states with low/no income tax will get the money from you through other taxes.

I often hear people say they left California due to taxes or politics, but usually the truth is that they simply can't afford it.

If you are willing to live with iron bars on your windows and an escape tunnel with an arsenal, then living cheap in California can be sweet. Entertaining, too, with all the raving loony zombies wandering the streets.

I don't think that "You're an inferior PoorFuck, so you just can't afford to live here, sneer." is the greatest promotional literature for the state. The Visigoths are growing, and the pampered, immune redoubts are shrinking. Riots and looting on Santa Monica Blvd.? Home invasions in Beverly Hills? Crime in downtown LA eight to fifteen times the national average, including violent interpersonal crime? Huge stretches of posh shops shuttered around Century City?

Swanning on the Peninsula in your Lambo is still possible for the various oligarchy, but for how long? One thing history teaches is that the rich just move away when they have trashed their environments with bad policy. They have the luxury. California has one of the highest rates of poverty in the country, so where are they going to move?

Third world when the rich start hiring armed guards when they have to travel from gated redoubts. That's the way Cali is trending, and the return for the tax vig on services and protection are dissolving.

They know that CA still has so much beautiful nature and climate, fine wine, argiculture and cuisine going for it, that people will always flock to it. So they feel like they can impose crazy fucked up politics.

Nomograph says

For those who pay W2 tax, the difference between CA and other states really isn't a big deal, since states with low/no income tax will get the money from you through other taxes.

It's about high income. I'd hit the marginal tax rate of 13% for roughly $100k. Effective tax rate in CA versus IL for the same income is probably 4.5% versus 10% on just state income taxes. $30k-40/yr is not something smart people piss away. CA has other expensive taxes and is not well run by a long shot.

Not defending IL either, we're run like shit. But CA is not a place I'd want to live. I'll stick to visiting. Outside of Madision and Milwaukee, Wisconsin is probably a top 5 state I'd move to. You can invest anywhere on the planet. There's no point in living in one of the most expensive places. I'd honestly rather live in rural Mississippi on 5 acres on a lake for $300k and work from home. Then I can easily throw more capital into expensive areas if I want an investment. Don't have to live where you invest.

If you're smart you can fly 10-30 times a year for next to nothing as well. So the family/friends stuff is bull shit. Weather is a bull shit issue as well. I'll be on the beach 10 days in January. Golfing in AZ for 5. Snowboarding in MT by choice as it's a hobby I enjoy. I don't really live in IL. I don't want to live in any state really. I want to travel as much as possible. No place is perfect. Closest is St. John USVI, that I've been to at least.

Nomograph says

I often hear people say they left California due to taxes or politics, but usually the truth is that they simply can't afford it.

I'd agree with that

Nomograph says

Eman says

It’s because you’re looking at the wrong article. Check this one out. 😂😂😂

https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/most-tax-friendly-states-for-middle-class-families

Eman! Hope you're doing well; sounds like it based on some recent postings. I just reactivated my presence here.

People make CA sound like some kind of tax 9th Circle of Hell, which it certainly isn't as that Kiplinger article points out. Prop 13 keeps my overall taxes quite low, and predictable. With a prudent tax strategy, one can live in CA and have very low taxes. For those who pay W2 tax, the difference between CA and other states really isn't a big deal, since states with low/no income tax will get the money from you through other taxes.

I often hear people...

I am 100% positive that this is not true of Nevada, AZ, TX, or Wyoming, and likely not true of Florida. I haven’t looked elsewhere deep enough.

The part about not being able to afford CA is in fact true. Homes in the neighborhood where I live run over 1 million and not only can I not afford that, putting a crippling 30 year on a 50 year old man seems to be a misktake by both the lender and borrower.

But yeah, Nevada results in instant fairly large savings starting with an estimated $6k a year income tax once I retire, a consistent $0.75/gallon gas cost, lower state feees, lower car insurance, mortage(if I even need one) lower than my current rent, negligible property tax, and a slightly lower sales tax. Texas is more complicated but due to extremely low housing cost, property tax is likely not as big of an issue as these lifestyle articles make it to be. Wyoming is cheaper than anywhere else all the way around.

I dont think most leave CA because of affordability. Most leave because they have kids and don't like what's going on there. If I had to say my top reasons and I'm a third generation CA I would say decline in quality of life, decline in quality of schools, crowding, increase in crime. Number one reason for those come from mass illegal immigration over the last 50 years.

RC2006 says

I dont think most leave CA because of affordability. Most leave because they have kids and don't like what's going on there. If I had to say my top reasons and I'm a third generation CA I would say decline in quality of life, decline in quality of schools, crowding, increase in crime. Number one reason for those come from mass illegal immigration over the last 50 years.

those were my reasons, culture in ca is shit. no god, just fag supremacy with all elites choking on diversity equity inclusion dick.

I remember Gavin Newsom saying white males were the problem in California; that was it for me.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

RC2006 says

I dont think most leave CA because of affordability. Most leave because they have kids and don't like what's going on there. If I had to say my top reasons and I'm a third generation CA I would say decline in quality of life, decline in quality of schools, crowding, increase in crime. Number one reason for those come from mass illegal immigration over the last 50 years.

those were my reasons, culture in ca is shit. no god, just fag supremacy with all elites choking on diversity equity inclusion dick.

That's all true, many who can afford it put their kids into private school though, or if they have businesses have them continue the legacy. There are also many reasonably wealthy npcs who just go with the shit public school indoctrination

mell says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

RC2006 says

I dont think most leave CA because of affordability. Most leave because they have kids and don't like what's going on there. If I had to say my top reasons and I'm a third generation CA I would say decline in quality of life, decline in quality of schools, crowding, increase in crime. Number one reason for those come from mass illegal immigration over the last 50 years.

those were my reasons, culture in ca is shit. no god, just fag supremacy with all elites choking on diversity equity inclusion dick.

That's all true, many who can afford it put their kids into private school though, or if they have business have them continue the legacy. There are also many reasonably wealthy npcs who just give with the shit public school indoctrination

we tried private school. it didn’t chsnge the culture around, the neighbors, the politics, yhe assholes down the street. so we did what we had to.

ill be making a lot less money here u less i figure something better. but im fine with it, sacrifice for kids is worth it.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

mell says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

RC2006 says

I dont think most leave CA because of affordability. Most leave because they have kids and don't like what's going on there. If I had to say my top reasons and I'm a third generation CA I would say decline in quality of life, decline in quality of schools, crowding, increase in crime. Number one reason for those come from mass illegal immigration over the last 50 years.

those were my reasons, culture in ca is shit. no god, just fag supremacy with all elites choking on diversity equity inclusion dick.

That's all true, many who can afford it put their kids into private school though, or if they have business have them continue the legac...

Understood. Here in rural wine country most immigrants are conservatives, flying fjb flags from their pickup trucks. It's the white liberals (mostly wommymz, and their men if they have any, often dominated by their views) and their millennial spawn if they have any, who are the problem.

mell says

It's the white liberals (mostly wommymz, and their men if they have any,

...if they have any balls which they dont

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Hey you can pick up this 980 sq ft gem for only $229k

The iron bars on the windows is a nice aesthetic touch.

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For Florida the property tax rate is about 0.8% but that is because I live in an HOA.

Account for the HOA costs like maintenance for the roads, and if the county was to handle those responsibilities, then my property tax rate would be 1.2% not 0.8% of my townhome's county assessed value. Still a lot better than property tax rates in Illinois or New Jersey.

At least Florida does not have an income tax. Property insurance is going up a lot, for example it is $1500 a year for our $275,000 townhome.

WookieMan says

Nomograph says

For those who pay W2 tax, the difference between CA and other states really isn't a big deal, since states with low/no income tax will get the money from you through other taxes.

This is nonsense. If it were true, cost-of-living would be the same everywhere. People who don't understand fiat currency and inflation usually make uneducated generalizations like this.

In ID income tax is about the same as CA. Property tax. Is 50% less, dmv stuff is 50% or more less, all insurances much less.

I remember the guy that used to post here from Victorville. He described an entire portrait of that community as some kind of endearing outpost of dysfunction and absurdity.

He was landlord of tenancies in which he used heavy cadaver tables bought at auction as tables in his units, and heavy surplus industrial refrigerator doors so his tenants could only do so much destruction. All of his appliances were bolted to the walls. He had some tenants who were PTSD on welfare. He also had a special technique in which he poured pure concrete onto the floors and half way up the walls with a big industrial drain in the center of the rooms, so he could just hose them down when the tenants left, more or less like a zookeeper. I think he also kept bars and grates on the windows inside the units so they couldn't break the windows. He also described the various wimminz of opportunity in the community and his adventures with them. He really cracked me up, what a character.

US DOE initiative should focus on linking eastern, western grids

https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news-headlines/experts-say-us-doe-initiative-should-focus-on-linking-eastern-western-grids-68636720

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/11/211118203708.htm

Ceffer says

I remember the guy that used to post here from Victorville. He described an entire portrait of that community as some kind of endearing outpost of dysfunction and absurdity.

He was landlord of tenancies in which he used heavy cadaver tables bought at auction as tables in his units, and heavy surplus industrial refrigerator doors so his tenants could only do so much destruction. All of his appliances were bolted to the walls. He had some tenants who were PTSD on welfare. He also had a special technique in which he poured pure concrete onto the floors and half way up the walls with a big industrial drain in the center of the rooms, so he could just hose them down when the tenants left, more or less like a zookeeper. I think he also kept bars and grates on the windows inside the units so they couldn't break the windows. He also described the various wimminz of opportunity in the community and his adventures with them. He really cracked me up, what a character.

Jody Chunder!

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

mell says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

RC2006 says

I dont think most leave CA because of affordability. Most leave because they have kids and don't like what's going on there. If I had to say my top reasons and I'm a third generation CA I would say decline in quality of life, decline in quality of schools, crowding, increase in crime. Number one reason for those come from mass illegal immigration over the last 50 years.

those were my reasons, culture in ca is shit. no god, just fag supremacy with all elites choking on diversity equity inclusion dick.

That's all true, many who can afford it put their kids into private school though, or if they have business have them continue the legac...

If I were starting over again…say I was 24…I’d move to somewhere with a low cost of living with the intent of establishing myself, meeting my future wife, getting married, and living a lifestyle where my wife would be a stay at home mom. If that means living the lifestyle my parents did in the 60’s and 70’s, then that’s what I’d do.

Current California culture is awful.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Jody Chunder!

Thanks FTMM. Good times...

DD214 says

US DOE initiative should focus on linking eastern, western grids

Is that so California can hog electricity from out of state like they did with water?

DD214 says

US DOE initiative should focus on linking eastern, western grids

Save Tres Amigas!

Upscale beach communities tend to end around Sea Ranch or so, because above SF, the Pacific is cold, foggy, rainy, and tempestuous, the coast is treacherous and rocky, and it is hard to just gad about in that shit. Santa Cruz faces South, and can be an island of sun when the rest of the coast is fogged in, so it is perhaps the last outpost of anything resembling Southern California beach bimbo Mediterranean. The RickFucks like to swan, and they can't swan in slickers and wellies.

Santa Cruz has achieved the distinction of being the second most expensive rental market in the country, SF being the first (in spite of descending ever deeper into shithole status). That's probably because of all the TechFucks who can work remotely and would like to be around the beach.

Another reason for Santa Cruz rental prices is UCSC has more students and builds no dormitories for them to live in, driving up rents in Santa Cruz even more.

Ceffer says

Upscale beach communities tend to end around Sea Ranch or so, because above SF, the Pacific is cold, foggy, rainy, and tempestuous, the coast is treacherous and rocky, and it is hard to just gad about in that shit. Santa Cruz faces South, and can be an island of sun when the rest of the coast is fogged in, so it is perhaps the last outpost of anything resembling Southern California beach bimbo Mediterranean. The RickFucks like to swan, and they can't swan in slickers and wellies.

Santa Cruz has achieved the distinction of being the second most expensive rental market in the country, SF being the first (in spite of descending ever deeper into shithole status). That's probably because of all the TechFucks who can work remotely and would like to be around the beach.

Sea Ranch is a beautiful little utopia, the big outdoor pool and tennis courts and lots of good hiking. But the climate is too cold/foggy unless that's what you like. It's also extremely sleepy, nothing else to do. Boomerfuck retirement utopia ;)

I once tried to go to Sea Ranch once along the coast up from Guerneville. You drive past the Bohemian Grove (site of Masonic Elitist GloboHomo rituals). The road was along rocky cliffs, narrow, lots of corners, really a bit scary, and the wind nearly blew me off the road, so I gave up and went back. The land route is much longer, so that area isn't exactly convenient access.

Ceffer says

I once tried to go to Sea Ranch once along the coast up from Guerneville. You drive past the Bohemian Grove (site of Masonic Elitist GloboHomo rituals). The road was along rocky cliffs, narrow, lots of corners, really a bit scary, and the wind nearly blew me off the road, so I gave up and went back. The land route is much longer, so that area isn't exactly convenient access.

We blew a tire last time on the cliffs,or more like my wife played the game how long can you go with a tire until its metal threads unravel! Put the donut on and enjoyed the cliff views on the slooow drive home as the other tire was close to unravel as well. Definitely too remote if you want to leave your area frequently.

I went up to Salt Point nearby Sea Ranch in September and October. We went up for abalone and it was an adventure.

I have an out of state question and it’s a damn important one in IMO.

My dad has an extensive gun collection.

I took two from him on an inter familial transfer…that is, in California it’s ok to transfer to immediate blood relative though you must complete the transfer.

Nevada has no registration requirement and since my dads collection is so extensive, some of them may or may not be registered. All were legally obtained. My dad is way up there in age. Over 80. I am likely retiring out of state in 7-8 years. I could theoretically take possession of those firearms, transport them to my residence out of state, and if that state is Nevada, never register them. Some may or may not have been registered in my dads name at one time. From there I could pass those on to one of my nephews and assuming those nephews live in a state that doesn’t require registering the gun, there would essentially be no accurate accounting by the government of where those firearms were located. Is that correct?

I certainly hope so. I am certain it would warm my dads heart to know that some of his very high powered firearms were in the hands of younger people and the government had no knowledge of such.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I have an out of state question and it’s a damn important one in IMO.

My dad has an extensive gun collection.

I took two from him on an inter familial transfer…that is, in California it’s ok to transfer to immediate blood relative though you must complete the transfer.

Nevada has no registration requirement and since my dads collection is so extensive, some of them may or may not be registered. All were legally obtained. My dad is way up there in age. Over 80. I am likely retiring out of state in 7-8 years. I could theoretically take possession of those firearms, transport them to my residence out of state, and if that state is Nevada, never register them. Some may or may not have been registered in my dads name at one time. From there I could pass those on to one of my nephews and assuming those nephews live in a state that doesn’t require registering the gun, there would essentially be no accurate accounting by the government of where those firea...

The IRS is behind on my taxes from 2021, they are part of the government. They are behind on my friend’s taxes from previous years. The CBP is 6 months behind on my Global Entry Card. The Federal government can’t balance a budget. Don’t worry about your guns. Madeline Albright from the government said it best, ‘Don’t ask for permission to do something.’

I don’t register my guns in California. The state has proven over and over that it CAN NOT BE TRUSTED with the information of gun owners or even just conservatives! Wasn’t it just six months ago that Rob Ponta the Secretary of State “accidentally” posted the names and addresses of every single concealed carry permit holder in the state?

Don’t ask for permission to use your constitutionally protected rights. Don’t tell the state government shit! Don’t register your guns. Don’t be afraid to own any gun you want. My philosophy is simple:
If you actually need that assault weapon, the police aren’t going to be part of the equation. If you have to truly defend yourself, the cops won’t be around. Until then, just make sure you lock up your weapons to keep them from any tweakers who might try to rob you.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I have an out of state question and it’s a damn important one in IMO.

My dad has an extensive gun collection.

I took two from him on an inter familial transfer…that is, in California it’s ok to transfer to immediate blood relative though you must complete the transfer.

Nevada has no registration requirement and since my dads collection is so extensive, some of them may or may not be registered. All were legally obtained. My dad is way up there in age. Over 80. I am likely retiring out of state in 7-8 years. I could theoretically take possession of those firearms, transport them to my residence out of state, and if that state is Nevada, never register them. Some may or may not have been registered in my dads name at one time. From there I could pass those on to one of my nephews and assuming those nephews live in a state that doesn’t require registering the gun, there would essentially be no accurate accounting by the government of where those firea...

many states do not require gun registration. noone gives any fucks here, people build their own guns. i know some even have full auto (illegal by feds), but its fine locally.

local sheriff goes to our militia meetings and loves freedom.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

there would essentially be no accurate accounting by the government of where those firearms were located. Is that correct?

It's really sad that your father lost all his guns in that boating accident.

Onvacation says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

there would essentially be no accurate accounting by the government of where those firearms were located. Is that correct?

It's really sad that your father lost all his guns in that boating accident.

Damn shame.

Shaman says

Until then, just make sure you lock up your weapons to keep them from any tweakers who might try to rob you.

I prefer my nightstand and closet, no locks. Best way to prevent gun theft is gun use.