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Shaman
2016 Jan 7, 5:21pm
I'm saying that the need for slaves would diminish over the years.
Wrong! America has always needed manual laborers, especially in the years following the Civil War as Reconstruction gave way to the Industrial Revolution. Plenty of people were effectively slaves in this era, with long hours, meager wages, and robber barons watching over to ensure nobody left the factory with enough to skip work the next day.
It took the labor movement and Teddy Roosevelt to emancipate the American worker and give him a voice.
Today we see a regression to those bad old days in many sectors of our economy. The rich are just vastly richer now and the poor even more desperate.
indigenous
2016 Jan 7, 5:25pm
Good Gawd don't make me puke. Spare me the conjecture. Fuck Roosevelt he did not do shit, I'm tired of educating you mutts about this...
Tenpoundbass
2016 Jan 7, 5:32pm
Rosevelt was disaster. His New Deal took 20 years of reworking before it started to work. And if not for WWII and the post war boom it created. We would have probably been worse off than the USSR when the Soviet Union collapsed. It would have probably been us first.
indigenous
2016 Jan 7, 5:34pm
I meant Theodore Roosevelt
You are right FDR was an absolute fucking disaster but that is another can of worms.
Here you go with your usual MO of misdirection, change the subject, ad hominem type stuff.
For the 3rd time,
1860: farmers 58% of labor force;
1900 farmers 38% of labor force [not including slaves]
Do you see that Bob? that is a 20% difference
For the third time your numbers mean nothing. What you posted was the population and farm population. The entire population isn't the labor force you ninny. It wasn't a difference because farming was less labor intensive. The farm workers per acre didn't change much at all according to YOUR numbers if you could figure out how to read them. The number of acres farmed doubled, the number of farm workers doubled. Where exactly did automation reduce farm labor?
indigenous
2016 Jan 7, 9:10pm
What you posted was the population and farm population.
It clearly states percentage of the labor force?
Assuming that people had the same grocery basket that mean that fewer farmers are producing more goods.
And since there was considerable deflation during that time period the price of the goods were not helped by inflation.
marcus
2016 Jan 12, 1:13pm
You still suck Obama
Why am I not surprised that not even one of your points holds up ?
IF you want me to accept your proposals, first explain where and how each of the individuals obtained their guns and how your proposals would have prevented that.
Any valid proposal for reducing gun violence, doesn't have to be something that would have clearly prevented any specific mass murder in the past, to be good and valid, especially with regard to the long term impacts. Reducing the amount of guns available to criminals is not something that is going to happen quickly.
Make mental illness treatment and awareness a key platform of you administration and a focus of Obamacare.
Obamacare does radically increase access to mental health care.
Either you are an idiot or you think the American people are. Stop using the 30,000 gun deaths per year number. It's utter bullshit. 19,000 of those deaths are suicide. 18,999 of those would occur regardless of access to firearms. ~8000 of the deaths are gang related.
Guns not being in the hands of people who committed suicide probably prevents at least some suicides. Gang related murder is one of the biggest focuses of his reforms. Making it harder for dealers to sell guns to kids on the street. Sellers are going to start being liable for who they sell to. I.e, selling to the guy who sells to the gangs could get a dealer in big big trouble.
Too bad you hate Obama and are therefore too biased to even listen to him. When he makes the point about all the things we are willing to do for safety such as seat belts, but can't regulate guns in any way, he makes a point that proves where you are coming from.
moron
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2016 Jan 12, 8:42pm
Isn't it absolutely amazing, after reading all the crap Marcus posts here, the school board actually allows him to be alone in a classroom full of kids?? No wonder the current generation of high school graduates are so fucked up in the head.
You can imagine how thrilled I was when my high school age step daughter came home excited about how much one of her teachers hates Donald Trump.
Teachers like Marcus are absolute abominations.
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2016 Jan 12, 8:47pm
I dunno. Also dunno why Marcus chose to un-ignore me for a few hours. Guess thats all it took to get his blood boiling enough to make him ignore me again.
But then again I dont understand teacher logic, or lack thereof.
indigenous
2016 Jan 12, 8:53pm
I wouldn't know he has had me on ignore for longer than I can remember, which is fine...
Eeesh, listening to this guy is giving me a headache.
Ha Ha! Obama trolled you so badly that you took the time to create a thread about how irritating he was!
Obama pwned you. Obama is winning teh internets!
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Eeesh, listening to this guy is giving me a headache.
Look moron,
1.) IF you want me to accept your proposals, first explain where and how each of the individuals obtained their guns and how your proposals would have prevented that.
2.) Make mental illness treatment and awareness a key platform of you administration and a focus of Obamacare. Without this factor, anything you do is utterly meaningless. A huge number of people do not seek treatment for their own mental illness or think it's some make beleive condition. I'd be willing to wager that over 95% of those who commit mass shootings suffer from mental illness. I realize you addressed this(scarcely) but I don't think you are serious. I think if you had your way you'd completely ban guns.
3.) Either you are an idiot or you think the American people are. Stop using the 30,000 gun deaths per year number. It's utter bullshit. 19,000 of those deaths are suicide. 18,999 of those would occur regardless of access to firearms. ~8000 of the deaths are gang related. Not a one of those is a legally possed gun. Not a single one. To deal with this, require a minimim 15 year sentence for felons in possession of guns. That's already the federal law. Prosecute EVERY arrest of felon with firearm at the Federal level. Do this and I GUARANTEE that the number of gun inflicted gang deaths drops to fewer than 500 a year. That's leaves very few deaths remaining...accidental...which I'm totally ok with as a Darwinian measure...and then the handful of mass shootings and other criminal deaths.
Honestly the whole thing is just one massive liberal panic attack. But if you want to address the real dangers...well I've outlined it. My proposals along with sealing the border would reduce non suicide gun deaths by about 80%. Obamas measures will do literally nothing to reduce gun deaths.