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Some might find the chart in this article interesting. It shows that the accuracy of this poll (or lack there of) was completely normal relative to historical results.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/10/how-much-did-polls-miss-the-mark-on-trump-and-why/

Ironman says

Nice try spinning it back to popular vote

Your point was about the popular vote being wrong, and that's all that's somewhat predictable so that's what I focused on before and after the election.

Look at the chart in the WaPo article. This result was within the expected range for anyone who was willing to look at the accuracy of polls over the years.

Ironman says

Predictable by what?? Your WaPo link says 1.7% (if you believe that). They missed Clinton by more than that and they certainly missed Trump by HUGE margin.

Go read the text. The 1.7 value is the 'candidate error,' which is defined as 1/2 of the difference between polled value and election value. If you prefer the raw difference, just multiply the y axis by 2. The data came from the National Council on Public Polls. Do you have reason to have an issue with them too?

Of course you can get a bigger error by averaging over a month. A month ago, Trump polled terribly, because his debate performance was fresh on everybody's mind. The last week or two before the election, he polled much better, b/c Comey reminded everybody about the emails and Trump managed to stay on message.

Wow, Bernie kicked the Shit out of Clinton in NH, MN, and IN. Very key states.

So sad the rigged DNC elections with Brazile giving debate questions (now more than twice, according to wikileaks which is still leaking Podesta emails) in advance to Hillary but not Bernie, and the Rigged Insider Superdelegates ended up nominating such a weak, despised candidate who drew millions upon millions less than Obama.

Whereas Bernie would have fired up the base and brought millions of new voters.

But it's all the electoral college, a known entity for 200+ years, that robbed Hillary.

Thunderlips Licks Shill Tears says

But it's all the electoral college, a known entity for 200+ years, that robbed Hillary.

Is this post in the right thread?

Ironman says

Are you going to whine on and on about Comey stealing the election from Hillary. You do know that MANY people vote early and when you're within the last two weeks, the majority of people have already made up their minds. There's very few undecided in the last weeks.

The point was not that Comey stole the election. It's that a 30 day average is not representative of what was happening during the week of the election. Hillary's lead was 5-6 points in the first two to three weeks, and 2-3 during the last week. Maybe it was Comey, maybe it was Trump, maybe it was the wind. But, a 30 day average is pointless when things change a lot during that period. You can clearly see this by going to the RealClearPolitics results. Stop pretending to be ignorant just because it favors your argument.

Are you going to recognize your mistake regarding 1.7 versus 3.4 or are you going to ignore that? History clearly shows that polls being off by 2-3 points is completely expected, and is definitely not proof of shenanigans by pollsters. Take your tinfoil hat off.

The problem was Trump was trending upwards before the Comey announcement.

Stop whinging. It was a shitty candidate that cost you the election.

Clinton was the strongest Democrat candidate though.

Thunderlips Licks Shill Tears says

Wow, Bernie kicked the Shit out of Clinton in NH, MN, and IN. Very key states.

So sad the rigged DNC elections with Brazile giving debate questions (now more than twice, according to wikileaks which is still leaking Podesta emails) in advance to Hillary but not Bernie, and the Rigged Insider Superdelegates ended up nominating such a weak, despised candidate who drew millions upon millions less than Obama.

Whereas Bernie would have fired up the base and brought millions of new voters.

But it's all the electoral college, a known entity for 200+ years, that robbed Hillary.

What's really sad is that because of the near blackout by the msm regarding the wiki leaks emails, most Americans and nearly all overseas people have NO CLUE. And the the disingenuous democrat shills on this site are VERY happy about that and nearly entirely ignore the matter.

Personally if I was a Democrat, I'd be calling for Brazille and Podestas heads

Thunderlips Licks Shill Tears says

The problem was Trump was trending upwards

Thank you for proving my point that Trump trended upwards in the last week and a half, which means that Ironman shouldn't be using a month long average to get the polling result. Now maybe we can stop talking about Comey and go back to the point that the polling error was completely within the historical norm.

Peter P says

Clinton was the strongest Democrat candidate though.

False

If the polls were not the issue that leaves the cause as Muricans were fed up with Obama's BS?

There was low voter turnout but that is not the cause.

He needs to change name to Nate Aluminum, he was way off.