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LeonDurham says

source?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/SF-gave-undocumented-immigrants-voting-rights-12726237.php

Hassan_Rouhani says

Which part? The part where anyone can obtain a CA DL w/o proving he's in the country legally, let alone a citizen? Not false at all - it's a fucking law. What else?

Oh, but don't worry, when they hold state and local and Federal voting on the same day, by magic the non-citizen doesn't choose any Federal Candidates, so it's okay.

Anybody who says otherwise is a paranoid ignorant fascist.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Oh, but don't worry, when they hold state and local and Federal voting on the same day, by magic the non-citizen doesn't choose any Federal Candidates, so it's okay.

You mean, the people who knowingly and willfully broke number of laws in order to "better their lifes" will suddenly obey another seldom enforced law? Do you also have an iron bridge for sale? I'm looking for one right now....

Hassan_Rouhani says

You mean, the people who knowingly and willfully broke number of laws in order to "better their lifes" will suddenly obey another seldom enforced law? Do you also have an iron bridge for sale? I'm looking for one right now....

C'mon Hassan, you know wherever non-citizens can vote the School Board Election is also the second Tuesday in November, they don't get the general ballot that includes Federal Offices.

That would never happen.

All you need a name. Voting lady will tell you your address, which you confirm with simple “yes”. And you can vote never showing a single id.

RafiMaas says

This is new to me. Federal law requires, when registering to vote, to put a driver license number or last 4 of SSN. I've looked and can't find were it says certain states don't check the validity of their registered voters.

Help America Vote ONLY applies those who register by mail.


And even the mail in requirement has massive loopholes:

At the time of voting, these first-time voters must submit either (a) a valid photo I.D.,
or (b) a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document showing their name and address. 13 However, voters are exempt from this requirement if, at the time of their mail-in registration, they submitted a copy of a current photo I.D., utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or government document showing their name and address. Voters are also exempt from showing I.D. at the polls, if they submitted their driver's license number or last four digits of their social security number with their mail-in registration, and this information was matched against an existing state I.D. record

https://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/ebook/part5/hava.html

You can be a non-valid voter (not a citizen) and yet have:
* Utility bill
* Bank satement
* Paycheck

with a name and address on it. It is "OR" not "AND" a photo ID.

The best way is to have a voter picture ID card, for which you need a birth certificate or naturalization papers to obtain.

I don't mind paying for free birth certificates.

Most countries do this, including ones far, far, far poorer than the US.

And just to head it off at the pass:

Don't talk to me about $500 per person/month guaranteed income for every citizen, when you balk at the few bucks per person once every 2 years that voter verification would cost.

RafiMaas says

to pay for a voter ID

Pay? Who said anything about charging people?

https://www.breitbart.com/2018-elections/2018/08/15/exclusive-eric-eggers-nearly-250-counties-have-more-registered-voters-than-eligible-voters/

Nearly 250 Counties Have More Registered Voters than Eligible Voters

RafiMaas says

Patrick says

RafiMaas says

to pay for a voter ID

Pay? Who said anything about charging people?

Really? Can you show me one state that has paid for voter IDs that has enacted voter ID laws. No you can't because they are designed to disenfranchis voters.

It's harsh, but so what. What's the big deal if it "disenfranchises" voters? If I own a fortune 500 company, say Walmart (fuck them FYI), I'm not going to ask the bagger to vote on important issues within the company. Like I said, it's a harsh point of view and not necessarily how our country was meant to operate, but at some point, if you can't afford say a $5-10 ID, then get lost.

There really is zero excuse for not being able to go out and get an ID. If someone can't or complains about it, they're just lazy in my opinion. You want lazy people picking who decides our policies, laws, etc? I sure don't. And maybe that's not American, but just being honest. You can't complain about a $10 ID when it literally takes something like 1.1 hours to get that money. There are 720 hours roughly in a month. Spending 1-2 of them to get an ID and having a problem with that is a bit goofy.