What are the root causes of Islamic terrorism? Discuss.
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What are the root causes of Islamic terrorism? Discuss.

By PeopleUnited following x   2017 Mar 20, 5:38pm 32,525 views   588 comments   watch   quote     share    


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Sensible people are discouraged from thinking about the root causes of Islamic terrorism by mainstream media and academia. (AKA SJW's)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/414113/actual-root-causes-islamic-terrorism-ira-straus



Osama Bin Laden was a well to do man from a well to do family who was radicalized.

http://markhumphrys.com/root.cause.html

Former Islamic Radical shares his solutions.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261829/former-islamic-radical-unveils-root-causes-islamic-joseph-puder

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2 FortWayne   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 20, 5:41pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I've seen normal people become insane and violently crazy after converting to Islam. Not all, but some. Really depended on their interpretation of how they should follow faith.

3 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Mar 20, 5:45pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PeopleUnited says

What are the root causes of Islamic terrorism?

Faith. Faith, by definition, requires becoming irrational and discarding reality in favor of a delusion.

The more faithful people are, the more irrational and potentially dangerous they are.

4 FortWayne   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 20, 5:50pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Oh shut up. You have faith too...liberalism is faith too. You just won't admit it.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

What are the root causes of Islamic terrorism?

Faith. Faith, by definition, requires becoming irrational and discarding reality in favor of a delusion.

The more faithful people are, the more irrational and potentially dangerous they are.

5 PeopleUnited   ignore (2)   2017 Mar 20, 6:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Actually Dan is not a liberal. A true liberal would encourage people to practice whatever faith they desired.

I dislike labels but the problem with Dan's philosophy is that without a moral absolute (which by the way comes from God) there is no foundation from which to build.FortWayne says

Oh shut up. You have faith too...liberalism is faith too. You just won't admit it.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

What are the root causes of Islamic terrorism?

Faith. Faith, by definition, requires becoming irrational and discarding reality in favor of a delusion.

The more faithful people are, the more irrational and potentially dangerous they are.

Actually Dan is not a liberal. A true liberal would encourage people to practice whatever faith they desired.

I dislike labels but the problem with Dan's philosophy is that without a moral absolute (which by the way comes from God) there is no foundation from which to build.

But there is no point in arguing with someone so wise as him. You will only lower yourself by debating what is obvious to every successful culture around the world. There is a God and He knows more than we do.

Dan is trying to turn this debate about Islam into a debate about God. Don't worry about him, he will come around some day. For now I would suggest that his comments regarding religion are foolish and therefore best left alone lest you cast your pearls in the wrong direction my friend.

6 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 20, 6:04pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

The causes of Islamic terrorism is really very simple.
Preaching hate and violence, in mosques and madrassas. If you get rid of the hate preachers, Islamic terrorism will start to fade.

7 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 20, 6:13pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Dan is a public denier and a private believer.
One can distill this from his posts.

8 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Mar 20, 6:58pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says

Oh shut up. You have faith too...liberalism is faith too. You just won't admit it.

Bullshit. Faith is the belief without, and often in spite of, evidence. Everything I believe, I can support with reasoning and evidence.

How many times do I have to show you this video?

PeopleUnited says

Actually Dan is not a liberal. A true liberal would encourage people to practice whatever faith they desired.

Also bullshit. A true liberal doesn't encourage people to practice a religion that performs unwilling human sacrifices. Nor would a liberal encourage any religion that infringes upon the rights of others, which is just about every religion. Nor does liberalism mean endorsing delusions, whether they be from drugs or religion.

Your comment is just one more example of people not knowing what liberalism is.

PeopleUnited says

I dislike labels but the problem with Dan's philosophy is that without a moral absolute (which by the way comes from God) there is no foundation from which to build.

Feel free to prove the assertion that morality is either absolute and unquestionable or arbitrary and meaningless. I'll have that debate any time. Easy win.

The fact is that science has solved how morality works, whereas religion has always failed to do this.

PeopleUnited says

But there is no point in arguing with someone so wise as him. You will only lower yourself by debating what is obvious to every successful culture around the world. There is a God and He knows more than we do.

Societies don't think. Individuals do. And individuals, even great numbers of them, can are are wrong. I've disproved the monotheistic god in other threads. Feel free to counter those arguments. You'll fail, especially since the only thing you're bringing to the table right now is baseless assertion.

BlueSardine says

Dan is a public denier and a private believer.

Another example of how the religious are delusional.

Strategist says

The causes of Islamic terrorism is really very simple.

Preaching hate and violence, in mosques and madrassas.

And what enables the teaching of irrational hate and violence?

9 P N Dr Lo R   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 20, 7:05pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says

And what enables the teaching of irrational hate and violence?

Islam.

10 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 20, 7:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

The causes of Islamic terrorism is really very simple.


Preaching hate and violence, in mosques and madrassas.

And what enables the teaching of irrational hate and violence?

People with irrational expectations that Allah wants them to conquer the world, and that it is their duty to destroy the non believers.
The same reasoning they have held for 1,400 years, well before USA was discovered. So don't foolishly blame America.

11 someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 20, 7:18pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says

The causes of Islamic terrorism is really very simple.
Preaching hate and violence, in mosques and madrassas. If you get rid of the hate preachers, Islamic terrorism will start to fade.

I'd like to believe that, but I don't.

Hate is central to the Koran. Over and over, on every page, unbelievers are vilified and believers praised and pitied for having to live on the same earth as such unbelieving scum.

You want some quotes?

12 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Mar 20, 7:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says

People with irrational expectations that Allah wants them to conquer the world,

Key word: irrational. That's the root of all problems with faith, not just one particular faith, but faith itself.

13 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 20, 7:22pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Lack of Sex, All-encompassing Ideology.

Lack of Sex is the #1 factor in most terrorism.

14 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Mar 20, 7:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says

Koran

You mean Quran? I think the Koran is Kim Jong-un's manifesto.

15 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 20, 7:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says

Hate is central to the Koran. Over and over, on every page, unbelievers are vilified and believers praised and pitied for having to live on the same earth as such unbelieving scum.

How can I disagree? Most Muslims will still interpret that hate in a different/peaceful context. That is what we need. We don't want the preachers interpreting it the way Mohammad the pedophile intended.

Patrick says

You want some quotes?

Hell no. I don't want to throw up my dinner.

16 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Mar 20, 7:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Lack of Sex is the #1 factor in most terrorism.

And what causes the lack of sex? Faith.

17 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 20, 8:12pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Lack of Sex is the #1 factor in most terrorism.

Did they run out of goats in all the Islamic countries?

18 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 20, 8:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

zzyzzx says

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Lack of Sex is the #1 factor in most terrorism.

Did they run out of goats in all the Islamic countries?

You are so insensitive, Zzyzzx. Do you think goats can compete with the breeding rates of Muslims? Obviously there is a shortage go goats, and sheep, and camels.

19 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 20, 8:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Competition for sex.

20 PeopleUnited   ignore (2)   2017 Mar 20, 8:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says

Everything I believe, I can support with reasoning and evidence.

Said the guy who elevated his own reasoning above his Creator's and ignored every single piece of evidence that the universe cannot exist without God.

At least if you were honest with yourself you would say that because you cannot measure or observe every aspect of the natural world you cannot possibly establish how it came into existence and therefore cannot possibly rule out the fact that there is a Creator. But unfortunately you cannot even be honest with yourself. When you deceive your own self, how can you expect others to believe anything you say?

Dan8267 says

The fact is that science has solved how morality works, whereas religion has always failed to do this.

So your belief system is based on "science." And scientists have never been wrong.

Dan8267 says

I've disproved the monotheistic god in other threads.

This would be funny if it weren't so sad. But at least you have FAITH in yourself!

21 PeopleUnited   ignore (2)   2017 Mar 20, 8:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

Competition for sex.

I'm not buying it. There are women Jihadi's too, and they are not motivated by the 72 virgins. But even if they were, it is Islam that that promised an eternity free from sexual competition.

22 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 20, 8:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Lack of sex coupled with an arab chromosome abnormality rendering all female arabs lesbians would account for the average rabid savage fanatical islamist and the urging on of the unspeakable by their wives...what we have been missing all along is that the wives get the 72 virgins...

PeopleUnited says

There are women Jihadi's too, and they are not motivated by the 72 virgins.

23 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 20, 8:44pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Case in point.

24 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 20, 8:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PeopleUnited says

iwog says

Competition for sex.

I'm not buying it. There are women Jihadi's too, and they are not motivated by the 72 virgins. But even if they were, it is Islam that that promised an eternity free from sexual competition.

How many babies did Bin Laden make? How many do you have?

Never underestimate the power of reproduction in human behavior. Genghis Khan spread his sperm more effectively than any man who ever lived and who probably ever will live. The key to his success was nothing less than some of the most horrific acts anyone can imagine.

It's not the promise of sex in the afterlife or wives or anything that is so tangible. It's the simple genetic result of violent men in the Middle East having lots of violent sons while pacifist men in the Middle East had few or none.

25 FortWayne   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 20, 10:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Dan8267 says

Bullshit. Faith is the belief without, and often in spite of, evidence. Everything I believe, I can support with reasoning and evidence.

I have evidence for what I believe, and you have your "evidence" in which you believe.

You just happen to hate religion, conservatism, etc... that is your choice, your faith, for which you reason backwards even when clearly wrong.

26 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Mar 21, 12:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PeopleUnited says

Said the guy who elevated his own reasoning above his Creator's and ignored every single piece of evidence that the universe cannot exist without God.

It is impossible to do that since your false god does not exist. Your entire statement is meaningless. And yet, you demonstrate with clarity exactly why faith is bad. It causes people to be completely irrational and unintelligible. If you were born in the Middle East, you'd be a radical Islamist.

PeopleUnited says

So your belief system is based on "science." And scientists have never been wrong.

Science and scientists are not the same thing. Science is a self-correcting mechanism. Religion is not. Science got us to the moon. No amount of praying would do that. Science has cured diseases and double the human lifespan. Religious miracles are all lies and tricks. Science has enlightened mankind on how the universe works. Religion has never been right about anything.

Those who have no respect for science deserve no respect.

However, once again your post makes a good demonstration of why science and faith cannot coexist. Our society should choose science, which has greatly enhanced the quality of life, over religion which has only caused suffering.

PeopleUnited says

Dan8267 says

I've disproved the monotheistic god in other threads.

This would be funny if it weren't so sad.

The only thing sad here is that that's the best argument you could make. I would expect more from a fifth grader.

PeopleUnited says

But at least you have FAITH in yourself!

I have knowledge of my existence. Faith and knowledge are, by definition, mutually exclusive. Shit, you don't even know theology.

27 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Mar 21, 12:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says

I have evidence for what I believe, and you have your "evidence" in which you believe.

OK, I'm calling your bluff. Show your evidence.
FortWayne says

You just happen to hate religion, conservatism, etc... that is your choice, your faith, for which you reason backwards even when clearly wrong.

I hate evil. Religion and faith are evil. They are vices.

No good requires either, but both have caused people to do great evil. Both mandate irrationality and the belief in lies. And both, as you and PeopleUnited have demonstrated repeatedly, prevent people from thinking clearly and acquiring wisdom. Wisdom cannot be gained through lies and delusions. Wisdom is derived from accurate and truthful knowledge and understanding. As the religious have demonstrated on this thread, faith is incompatible with knowledge and understanding.

28 carrieon   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 21, 2:12am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Islam is not a religion. it's a state sanctioned order of existence, which is not permitted by the constitution.

29 Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 21, 5:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says

I hate evil. Religion and faith are evil. They are vices.

Everyone and every religion has some evil. That does not mean that they are unnecessay and should be destroyed.

30 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 21, 6:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Blue bell bottoms will do that to ya.
Just look at all the radicalized libbies running around campuses today...

PeopleUnited says

Osama Bin Laden was a well to do man from a well to do family who was radicalized.

31 PeopleUnited   ignore (2)   2017 Mar 21, 7:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Are you implying that religion has nothing to do with it?

iwog says

It's the simple genetic result of violent men in the Middle East having lots of violent sons while pacifist men in the Middle East had few or none.

32 PeopleUnited   ignore (2)   2017 Mar 21, 7:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan, your self deception is obvious to everyone but yourself. At least if you were honest with yourself you would say that because you cannot measure or observe every aspect of the natural world you cannot possibly establish how it came into existence and therefore cannot possibly rule out the fact that there is a Creator. But unfortunately you cannot even be honest with yourself. When you deceive your own self, how can you expect others to believe anything you say?

Dan8267 says

Science and scientists are not the same thing.

Duh, but science was invented by scientists. Therefore science is only as good as the scientist. Once again you put your faith in the creature (science) more than the Creator. Another form of self deception.

You have FAITH in yourself. You believe that YOU can explain away your creator. That is a lot of faith! I think you have more faith than the most devoted religious person you know. You worship at the alter of human reasoning and yet dismiss the very purpose for your ability to reason.

33 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 21, 7:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PeopleUnited says

Are you implying that religion has nothing to do with it?

Most people in the world have a religion. Some call it Islam. Some call it astrology. Some call it party loyalty. Some call it feminism. They believe it just as strongly and will commit horrible acts in the name of whatever they believe to be unquestionably true. True skeptics are very rare apparently.

Before 911, the terrorists engaged in strip clubs and hookers. Do these sound like men who had religious convictions?

34 PeopleUnited   ignore (2)   2017 Mar 21, 7:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

PeopleUnited says

Are you implying that religion has nothing to do with it?

Most people in the world have a religion. Some call it Islam. Some call it astrology. Some call it party loyalty. Some call it feminism. They believe it just as strongly and will commit horrible acts in the name of whatever they believe to be unquestionably true. True skeptics are very rare apparently.

Before 911, the terrorists engaged in strip clubs and hookers. Do these sound like men who had religious convictions?

Not sure your two paragraphs are congruent.

You say that people will commit horrible acts in the name of whatever they believe...

...and then you question if the suicidal/homicidal men who crashed plans into buildings were motivated by strong beliefs.

35 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 21, 7:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says

Science and scientists are not the same thing. Science is a self-correcting mechanism. Religion is not. Science got us to the moon. No amount of praying would do that. Science has cured diseases and double the human lifespan. Religious miracles are all lies and tricks. Science has enlightened mankind on how the universe works. Religion has never been right about anything.

Hey, Dan does know a little bit about some things. I'm impressed.

PeopleUnited says

Dan, your self deception is obvious to everyone but yourself. At least if you were honest with yourself you would say that because you cannot measure or observe every aspect of the natural world you cannot possibly establish how it came into existence and therefore cannot possibly rule out the fact that there is a Creator.

You make a good point, but you would have to answer how the "creator" came into existence.

37 FortWayne   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 21, 8:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says

I hate evil. Religion and faith are evil. They are vices.

No good requires either, but both have caused people to do great evil. Both mandate irrationality and the belief in lies. And both, as you and PeopleUnited have demonstrated repeatedly, prevent people from thinking clearly and acquiring wisdom. Wisdom cannot be gained through lies and delusions. Wisdom is derived from accurate and truthful knowledge and understanding. As the religious have demonstrated on this thread, faith is incompatible with knowledge and understanding.

You speak like a blind man who has no idea what light is like.

Religion preaches love and faith, higher moral principles that unite us all as people under a common set of guiding principles. Without religion, who is to say what is right or wrong? Because what is not right for one, is right for another.

It isn't science, but it's not anti-science. Religion teaches wisdom and understanding. Something you closed your mind to, and no longer have as a skill Dan. You need religion more than anyone else to help you better.

38 P N Dr Lo R   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 21, 8:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says

Science got us to the moon

but can't tell us why people love the moonlight or why the moon is memorizlized in more poetry and songs than any body in the heavens. It can tell the how of the rainbow but not why the rainbow resonates with peoples hearts and souls, something you don't believe in. The unquantifiable realms of life bring more meaning to our lives than anything that can be enumerated in a laboratory and anyone can tell that from their personal experiece.

39 Entitlemented   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 21, 8:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Hater says

What are the root causes of Islamic terrorism

A singularity, in which a more and more isolated OBL, in anger with the Saudis, his own family, used > $200M as venture capitol for terror. He was spoiled, and had so much more than most Muslims. He was in the top 0.001% of wealth and entitlement.

Investments include the Taliban, and a group of extremists who worked under the radar.

No OBL, no WTC1 or 2, no terror.

40 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 21, 8:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

P N Dr Lo R says

Dan8267 says

Science got us to the moon

but can't tell us why people love the moonlight or why the moon is memorizlized in more poetry and songs than any body in the heavens.

Neither can religion.

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