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The 9% and their alliance with the 1% destroyed the Democratic Party


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2017 Apr 16, 5:30pm   10,096 views  56 comments

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I finished the book "Listen Liberal!" by Thomas Frank and this is what I got out of it:

  • The lower 9% of the top 10% defines its self worth by the big-name universities they attended.
  • They comprise the professional class: doctors, lawyers, engineers, professors, journalists, financiers, and they are all very interbred with each other.
  • They love inequality, because the are 100% certain that their own position is entirely due to their own merit.
  • They have contempt for unions and for ordinary working people, whom they regard as failures who had the same chance as themselves but were not as smart, or did not work as hard. They see unions as attempting to give ordinary working "uneducated" people wages that they do not deserve.
  • They make their good living by monopolizing information and restricting competition via licensing and deliberately obscure terminology.
  • They do not allow any judgement of their own profession except by people highly regarded within it. Outside opinion is regarded as worthless.
  • They have completely taken over the Democratic party, and turned it away from traditional working class issues, and toward race, gender, and gay issues.
  • They consider themselves "diverse" because they accept anyone from the Ivy League regardless of race, gender, or sexual preference. But they do not tolerate any ideological diversity at all. The "consensus of the educated" cannot ever be questioned.
  • Their leaders absolutely worship Wall Street, far beyond any Republican, and give Wall Street everything it wants. Clinton and Obama in particular were instrumental in solidifying Wall Street power and very happy to cooperate with Republicans to eliminate banking regulation.
  • They see globalization as always and everywhere good, and do not care in the least if globalization eliminates the jobs of the "uneducated", since it is their own fault for being uneducated. Except of course, when globalization threatens their own jobs. Then it is an outrage.
  • The fight between labor and capital was utterly abandoned by these Democrats. They love capital and despise labor. They figure it doesn't matter in elections because the working class will have no choice but to vote for Democrats.

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41   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Apr 17, 1:37pm  

SpecialSafe says

The second leads to absurd level of efficiency and crap products. When you have a few factories providing commoditized phones and socks, and everything else, for the entire planet population and a large portion of people is out of work, and unable to provide for themselves, then you realize something is very wrong with this picture.

You've identified two separate problems
1) crap products
2) people out of work

Crap products isn't really a problem with doing things efficiently. It's a problem with consumers going for price over quality, which is really the same thing as valuing more now over less hassle later.
People out of work is due more to the fact that they are competing against a bigger group of people than it is to efficiency. More efficiency at 95% employment means more goods are produced. More efficiency at the same amount of goods produced = many people unemployed, and all of the wealth going to the top (people who own the efficient production systems). I think that the level of production and distribution of wealth is what you dislike.

42   missing   2017 Apr 17, 8:24pm  

What is the top N% ranking based on:
- personal income?
- family/household income?
- family net worth?
- extended family net worth (i.e. counting one's inheritance)?
- some of the above but adjusted for age (e.g. net worth of people between 35 and 44 year old)?

43   Patrick   2017 Apr 17, 8:48pm  

The top N% ranking is indeed vague, but I doubt the various definitions vary all that much overall.

That is, if you're in the top 1% for personal income, odds seem good that you're also in the top 1% for all of the other definitions.

44   marcus   2017 Apr 17, 10:20pm  

MMR says

Public schools should be equal across the board even if it requires h1-b teachers to do the jobs that people like you don't want to do.

I know you're trolling.

But at the same time, I know you're confused and don't understand. You think that the quality of teachers is what makes schools good ? It's a factor to a degree, it's important, but ultimately it's the quality of the community and the quality of the students that is going to attract/necessitate (you choose the word) the good teachers. But just as in college, the single biggest factor is ultimately the quality of the students (the competition) that makes the school good.

You think a bunch of foreign teachers that don't know our culture can come into rough districts with american kids that are 2 to 5 years behind grade level with behavior and attendance problems (not to mention tons of family and social problems) and turn it around better than the people coming in and trying now ? Are you trolling ? Or are you really that clueless ?

The current system is fairer than what republican want which is vouchers and destruction of public education. Under the current system, if one wants to they can find good enough rental housing in a great school district to optimize their child's education, or possibly get them into a magnet school (with bussing) if their child is somewhat gifted. Sometimes there are sacrifices involved. This is a game, where the squeaky wheel persistent parent gets the grease. Talk to people that know the game. This is better than saying, if you can't pay or earn a scholarship, in an all private school system, you're out of luck.

This is not to say that ongoing reform and pressure to improve isn't happening all the time. You just wouldn't know it if you only see the media. IF you're a parent that's on the ball, then you know (this totally does not include TPB).

45   marcus   2017 Apr 17, 10:31pm  

MMR says

Voting for welfare is really about keeping coloreds on their side of track and promoting de facto segregation.

I see the flaws and the damage that welfare has done. But at the same time a see the complexity and am not going to oversimplify the situation to fit my biases as you do.

MMR says

Probably worse than the LA public school that you teach at.

I teach at a great school. Every year the graduating students I have had in my class are a wide spectrum of students including many that go to UC and cal state schools, many that go to great private colleges (on scholarships) and a one to three every year that go to the very best schools such as Stanford, Harvard, MIT or Ivy league schools.

46   marcus   2017 Apr 17, 10:45pm  

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Isn't it great to virtue signal how great it is to have mass immigration of third worlders

When did not agreeing to support mass deportation of immigrants become the same as saying it's great to have mass immigration ?

Fun fact: immigration from Mexico is net negative according to many experts for many years now. Also, Obama deported more criminal mexican immigrants than any recent President.

Now, back to your bullshit...

47   marcus   2017 Apr 17, 10:48pm  

MMR is not going to comprehend anything you just said.

48   missing   2017 Apr 18, 1:59am  

rando says

if you're in the top 1% for personal income, odds seem good that you're also in the top 1% for all of the other definitions.

In my case, it depends on the definition.

49   anonymous   2017 Jun 4, 10:31am  

I highly salute P's starting post; it is dead-accurate in every possible way

50   Tenpoundbass   2017 Jun 4, 12:16pm  

The problem with Marxism is, every practitioner understands it then they all want to be Stalin and everyone else gets to be the lowly field worker harvesting wheat for the motherland(party wealth)

51   MMR   2017 Jun 4, 12:43pm  

marcus says

You think a bunch of foreign teachers that don't know our culture can come into rough districts with american kids that are 2 to 5 years behind grade level with behavior and attendance problems

Already doing it, although not necessarily well

52   MMR   2017 Jun 4, 12:44pm  

marcus says

But at the same time a see the complexity and am not going to oversimplify the situation to fit my biases as you do.

So you are saying that it is not de facto segregation?

53   MMR   2017 Jun 4, 12:45pm  

marcus says

I teach at a great school. Every year the graduating students I have had in my class are a wide spectrum of students including many that go to UC and cal state schools,

Exactly, I went to a much worse school, your point being what exactly. I still managed to become a doctor

54   MMR   2017 Jun 4, 12:46pm  

jazz music says

There is a connection between poverty, hopelessness etc and violent crime and it really could come to your door too regardless of whether you give a shit about your fellow man in free fall.

Not to door of limousine liberals because they always vote to keep those undesirables on their side of tracks

55   MMR   2017 Jun 4, 12:48pm  

marcus says

think that the quality of teachers is what makes schools good ? It's a factor to a degree, it's important, but ultimately it's the quality of the community and the quality of the students that is going to attract/necessitate (you choose the wor

Groundbreaking info really...since the good students can teach themselves with a bit of help from their parents, why are teachers like you needed exactly?

56   MMR   2017 Jun 4, 12:49pm  

marcus says

MMR is not going to comprehend anything you just said.

please go back to your safe space...oh yeah, Patrick took that away

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