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Cost of universal health care in CA bigger than state budget
invite response
2017 May 22, 6:32pm 12,799 views 49 comments
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http://www.ianwelsh.net/single-payer-healthcare-bernie-sanders-vs-the-wonks/
"Single payer costs less than the American system–about one-third less. Take a look at the chart above and find the Canadian line. Notice what happens after Canada goes from a private to a single payer system—costs drop by about one third compared to the United States."
curious2
2017 May 23, 11:55pm
Notice what happens after Canada goes from a private to a single payer system—costs....
increased, though more slowly than in the USA. Megan McArdle made this point about all single payer systems. Switching to these systems has not reduced costs compared to what those costs were before. At best, they have slowed the rate of increase.
Meanwhile, Americans over 65 have already had a single payer system for more than 50 years called Medicare. It's become part of the problem, driving costs ever higher.
You have to confront issues of lobbying and influence peddling, otherwise any government program gets captured, and the bigger it is, the bigger the prize.
marcus
2017 May 24, 2:52am
400 more billion?
It's 200 more billion, which has been my point. But you're right about my arithmetic being wrong, using strategy's 40 million number as number of workers.
Patrick, does this being a free speech forum applies to all kinds of creatures or only to humans?
I am asking because I suspect that curious2 is a monkey who has learned to type. If you are OK with this, can I let my dog try posting on your site too?
Shaman
2017 May 24, 7:44am
So what's to stop people from a different state from coming here for free medical care? The provides can't ask about legal residency! They have to provide care to illegal aliens, so they'd need to provide care also to people from other states!
So NOW the question is this: how does California pay to provide medical care to the entirety of the USA and Central America for free?
It should be based on a national health plan, and not for foreigners who have not paid into the system
You've got my vote. This and a crackdown on illegals might get bi-partisan support.
RWSGFY
2017 May 24, 10:57am
$900 for a doctor visit? WTF? Even in uber-expensive Bay Area this is somewhere between $150 and $300, IIRC.
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http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article151960182.html
The price tag is in: It would cost $400 billion to remake California’s health insurance marketplace and create a publicly funded universal heath care system, according to a state financial analysis released Monday.
California would have to find an additional $200 billion per year, including in new tax revenues, to create a so-called “single-payer†system, the analysis by the Senate Appropriations Committee found. The estimate assumes the state would retain the existing $200 billion in local, state and federal funding it currently receives to offset the total $400 billion price tag.