patrick.net

Because nothing in Congress is the final Healthcare bill and Washington knows it.
Trump has had 40 years to work on Healthcare. He was on Johnny Carson back when Johnny Carson still had brown hair explaining what he would do if he was President.

The very minute that Healthcare bill reaches his desk. Is like a Wrestling tag team match. Trump may now enter the debate. He can not initiate legislation only weigh in once it reaches his desk to sign. He can do one of three things.

1)Veto it out right, and kill it right there and that's the end of it.
2)He can sign it into law and everyone pops campaign and orders ping pong Pizza.
3)OR He can put it in the shredder and open his desk top drawer and whip out his Healthcare bill and tell them to reconcile that.
Then he starts Tweeting what's in his bill line by line in a 48 hour Tweeting Marathon.

The minute he does that. It's congress against 80% of the voters. The other 20% stand to lose to much they love high healthcare costs they are making a killing with it.
But at least 80% of the voters will be demanding all of Washington cut the Resist shit with Trump and pass the damn Bill.

Tenpoundbass says

But at least 80% of the voters will be demanding all of Washington....

I think that's part of what's behind MSM TDS. They know he has a chance of draining the swamp of corruption, at least the medical- and military-industrial-complexes. No one can really predict what he'll do, and that scares the crooks who want him to leave their revenue models intact.

BAO:
Gentle Reader,
I see what you are saying about the politic of the health care discussion/debate/disaster being a prelude to a GOP purge of the RINOs. Still, the GOP whined about this for years and years. Anyone who thinks that the GOP is in anyway competent at governing the US should take a long look at this garbage. They had plenty of time to get something that was beneficial to the US healthcare sector. I still call BS on them. They had time to do this. President Pouty Poo said he would do something "wonderful."

Well,... he didn't. The GOP didn't.

Regards,
Roidy

curious2 says

The surge in overdoses results in large part from the current Obamneycare legislation, which devoted infinite subsidies to the OxyContin fraud. (See also the L.A. Times.)

You just get more unhinged all the time. Where does either article even mention Obamacare? Both talk about the rise of the abuse of OxyContin starting in the 90's. Obamacare wasn't even passed until 2010 and fully implemented 3 years later. How does Obamacare make overdoses? It doesn't pay for prescriptions. Obamacare is the biggest source of help fighting the opiod epidemic. https://www.networkforphl.org/the_network_blog/2017/03/02/868/how_medicaid_and_the_aca_are_helping_states_address_opioid_overdose Opiod prescriptions have been dropping every year since the Obamacare was implemented. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/21/health/opioid-prescriptions-drop-for-first-time-in-two-decades.html After the formula for oxycontin was changed to anti tamper in 2010 (before Obamacare was passed) oxycontin abuse plummeted and was replaced by heroin or illegally produced fentanyl as the drug of choice for abuse. http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/health/opioid-addiction-history/index.html

But hey feel free to continue to spout utter nonsense.

curious2 says

I think that's part of what's behind MSM TDS. They know he has a chance of draining the swamp of corruption, at least the medical- and military-industrial-complexes. No one can really predict what he'll do, and that scares the crooks who want him to leave their revenue models intact.

The tass (trump ass sucking syndrome) is strong with this one. The medical/military contractors/financial/oil/whatever industries have been partying non stop ever since the election. The trump administration is the ultra rich libertarian and big corporation ultimate wet dream come true. Other than a couple generals trumps entire cabinet consists of kock bro's alumni.

anonymous says

Trump shows no appetite for the minutia of crafting policy or the legislative process. Rather than leading with a specific health policy of his own, the president left it to his congressional Republicans to fulfill his promise to repeal and replace Obamacare.

Because Trump isn't new. Any organization that has a petty snake in the grass like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Don't ever go to them with your brilliant plan they will water it down and make sure it never sees the light of day. That is what Paul Ryan tried to do with it the first weeks of Trump's inauguration. He jumped on it before Trump could even give instructions, they didn't meet with him. They jumped on it and tried to create a shit storm Tweet out of Trump. Because they knew how bad it was.
Trump didn't bite the bait because he's not a mentally confused Liberal retard, he's actually intelligent and can assess the situation. So he let Paul Ryan fall on his own face without his bicycle helmet on. Which he did spectacularly.

If Trump gave them his plan now they would water it down, and his name would be all over it. They would make is suck so bad, even he would veto it. For his brilliant hand to work. The Establishment Weasels have to submit him a Shittier than Shit proposal. To which he can leverage against the voter base in contrast to his brillant proposal.
This move will sink every Rino and Schumer type Fuckstick in Washington and send them packing licking their wounds never to be seen in Washington again.

It's not nice, No it's not NICE for Trump to pick on the Retards like he is, but sometimes damn it they just need it.

Just what the fuck is your hurry?

Roidy says

The Big Question: Why Isn't the Proposed Healthcare Replacement Ready?

Roidy says

The Big Question: Why Isn't the Proposed Healthcare Replacement Ready?

If there was one, its flaws would be obvious and it would become a huge target.

BlueSardine says

Just what the fuck is your hurry?

Roidy says

The Big Question: Why Isn't the Proposed Healthcare Replacement Ready?

Gentle Reader,
I'm in no particular hurry. I just thought after eight years and so, so much whining, complaining, stonewalling, bullshit, and foolishness, the GOP would be ready with a better replacement. What did I get wrong?

Regards,
Roidy

The timing...

Roidy says

Gentle Reader,

I'm in no particular hurry. I just thought after eight years and so, so much whining, complaining, stonewalling, bullshit, and foolishness, the GOP would be ready with a better replacement. What did I get wrong?

BlueSardine says

The timing...

Roidy says

Gentle Reader,


I'm in no particular hurry. I just thought after eight years and so, so much whining, complaining, stonewalling, bullshit, and foolishness, the GOP would be ready with a better replacement. What did I get wrong?

Gentle Reader,
Ok, I'll bite.

Timing? Whatever do you mean?

Regards,
Roidy

Roidy says

BlueSardine says

Just what the fuck is your hurry?

Roidy says

The Big Question: Why Isn't the Proposed Healthcare Replacement Ready?

Gentle Reader,

I'm in no particular hurry. I just thought after eight years and so, so much whining, complaining, stonewalling, bullshit, and foolishness, the GOP would be ready with a better replacement. What did I get wrong?

Regards,

Roidy

Let's pretend to be surprised. I've been saying this would happen for years.

Roidy says

The Big Question: Why Isn't the Proposed Healthcare Replacement Ready?

The last thing the Republicans want to do is repeal Obamacare. They need it as a wedge issue and any changes they make will be for the worse particularly for their constituents who, as dumb as they are, will realize which party fucked them over when they lose their healthcare.

Peaceful Responder,
Timing implies there is a special inStance where tHe pLan will come into existence.
For your 'thoughts' to attain accuracy, one must bring into force the additional dimensions currently in play to properly compute tHe inStance.
Given that trUmp , caretaker of tHe inStance, operates in 7 unique dimensions, one must consider where they've bEen, where they aRe, and where they must bE,
WoRk slowly toWards that goal, and you wilL attaIn awaReness as to why nOtHiNgS tHe MoThErFuCkS bEeN dOnE...

Roidy says

BlueSardine says

The timing...

Roidy says

Gentle Reader,



I'm in no particular hurry. I just thought after eight years and so, so much whining, complaining, stonewalling, bullshit, and foolishness, the GOP would be ready with a better replacement. What did I get wrong?

Gentle Reader,

Ok, I'll bite.

Timing? Whatever do you mean?

Gentle Reader,

Well,... the repeal is done for the moment.

LET THE FISTING BEGIN!

Regards,
Roidy
P.S. President Pouty Poo has certainly filled his Depends on this one. That was the fun part!
P.P.S. How, exactly, did the Democrats loose to PPP? Have we really let our political discourse desend to the level of a bad porn movie fisting scene? We now have the Democrats ineffectual and the Republicans more so. I fear for our government.

Peaceful Responder,
Only one way possible.
Hillary was worse.
The lesson here is that corrupt primaries lead to corrupt campaigns...

pps. Please reign in your "o" 's...

Roidy says

P.P.S. How, exactly, did the Democrats loose to PPP?

BlueSardine says

pps. Please reign in your "o" 's...

Gentle Reader,

Yes, I overlooked that. Many thanks.

Regards,
Roidy
P.S. Now we are going to see the madness in our Executive Branch fully bloom like a diarrhea-filled commode. I'm getting really fucking tired of winning - fucktards.

bob2356 says

How does Obamacare make overdoses? It doesn't pay for prescriptions.

It does, though not necessarily for what the "beneficiaries" need. As for overdoses, look what happened when Obamneycare (signed in 2010) hit with full force in 2014, and you will see overdoses increased dramatically:


https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

Aphroman says

pretend

Nobody except Bob2356 is pretending. Obamneycare was implemented in stages beginning the year it was enacted, 2010. It hit with full force in 2014. Try comparing 2009 to 2015. Here is a larger version of the chart:

Obama was a little punk Bitch ass that created a healthcare system that tried to opiate poison the old white people that went through his healthcare system.

History wont be kind to your Demigod Obama he is a Punk and his name will be Shit in the History books.

Tenpoundbass says

Obama was a little punk Bitch ass that created a healthcare system that tried to opiate poison the old white people that went through his healthcare system.

History won't be kind to your Demigod Obama he is a Punk and his name will be Shit in the History books.

Gentle Reader,

Off the meds again, I see. Welcome to my reality.
Regards,
Roidy
P.S. Trimp is going to get us all nuked. Just sayin'.

Roidy says

P.S. Trimp is going to get us all nuked. Just sayin'.

That's a win win for Trump fans.

Either Trump destroys all our civic norms and our institutions increasing tribalism and political polarization to the MAX, making those who hate their lives, happy that everyone else can be miserable along with them (but without us being nuked).

or

As you say, he gets us nuked, in which case, things are even more completely destroyed, but few will have to deal with the complaints that they were wrong about TRump, becasue, you know, we'll all be gone.

curious2 says

Nobody except Bob2356 is pretending. Obamneycare was implemented in stages beginning the year it was enacted, 2010. It hit with full force in 2014. Try comparing 2009 to 2015. Here is a larger version of the chart:

Trying to sell this heritage.org crap on yet another thread? ROFLOL.

So the stock market has increased dramatically since 2010 also. Did ACA cause that also? it's true because someone says it's true. ROFLOL.

Did you look at your chart at all? It shows deaths from fentanyl have gone through the roof. Ohio as an example went from 75 to 1155 fentanyl, overdose deaths in 2 years. Fentanyl is not that commonly prescribed and is prescribed in patches, not that easy to od on a patch. Pretty odd that police, medics, and er people didn't notice thousands and thousands of the od victims with fentanyl patches all over their bodies. Why is that?

China has been shipping illegal fentanyl, via mail order and mexico. in large quantities since 2014. Drug overdoses exploded starting in 2014. Hmmm. Let's see 24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not.

Why did you leave out the other charts. Like death by PRESCRIPTION drugs, Hmm deaths aren't up for PRESCRIPTION drugs. Like drugs prescribed under the ACA. .



Vs deaths by ILLICIT drugs.



From YOUR posted link. Other synthetic opioids is a category dominated by illicit fentanyl.

Illicit means illegal as in not prescribed by a doctor. Want to explain again how obamacare is responsible for the explosion in OPIOID (check the spelling since it apparently matters so much to you) deaths caused by fentanyl smuggled from china?.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/us/politics/drug-smuggling-mail-order-opioids.html
https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/infographics/fentanyl-other-synthetic-opioids-drug-overdose-deaths
http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20170207/NEWS/170209584https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/opioids/americans-spent-nearly-800m-in-2-years-on-illegal-fentanyl-from-china-5-things-to-know.html
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2018/01/25/fentanyl-is-lethal-and-almost-impossible-to-keep-out-of-the-country
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/5/8/15454832/fentanyl-carfentanil-opioid-epidemic
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-09-10/fentanyl-america-s-opioid-epidemic-takes-a-darker-turn

Drug overdoses increases the last 3 years are a result of cheap and very powerful china fentanyl pouring into the country , not the ACA. But hey, I"m sure in line with past experience you will find some 2 paragraph fact free it's true because I say it's true op-ed from the east bumfuck weekly gazette and proclaim it proves sources like bloomberg, the economist, the us government, NY times are wrong. Can't wait to see it. I could use a good laugh this morning.

FPBT says

So can you please explain the link between the spike in deaths by illegal drugs and Obama Care?

The links have been widely reported for years.

"How Purdue’s ‘one-two’ punch fuelled the market for opioids"

"As tens of thousands of Americans die from prescription opioid overdoses each year, an exclusive analysis by CNN and researchers at Harvard University found that opioid manufacturers are paying physicians huge sums of money -- and the more opioids a doctor prescribes, the more money he or she makes."

"Heroin in the Heartland"

One mechanism, reported by CBS: doctors pushed prescriptions for OxyContin, supposedly "not habit forming;" unsuspecting patients became addicted; once addicted, they began trading "free" (insured) OxyContin for heroin, which is cheaper on the illegal market, and keeping the difference in cash or using it to buy more heroin. And, contrary to what lying Bob would have you believe, ObamneyCare does cover prescriptions, though not necessarily for what the "beneficiaries" need. Another mechanism: ObamneyCare subsidizes infinitely ("no lifetime caps!") "rehab" programs that have 90% failure rates; the "group" sessions and informal conversations become networking events for addicts to exchange information about where to score and how to continue addiction. ObamneyCare subsidized the demand side; blaming China is a distraction: the Chinese could supply hula hoops for free and it wouldn't matter because there is no market for hula hoops, but ObamneyCare increased dramatically the market for opioids and opiates.

curious2 says

Aphroman says

pretend

Nobody except Bob2356 is pretending. Obamneycare was implemented in stages beginning the year it was enacted, 2010. It hit with full force in 2014. Try comparing 2009 to 2015. Here is a larger version of the chart:

Note the conspicuous absence of marijuana from that chart.

FPBT says

If over prescription is happening why aren't we going after the Doctors who are doing so?

$$$$

FPBT says

If we were to be honest...monitary

I am already honest. Speak for yourself, and learn to spell or use a spell checker.

FPBT says

Please explain how the deaths of Philip Seymour Hoffman, Tom Petty and Prince are linked to Obama Care?

Please address your question to the Bob school of sarcasm. I try to answer serious questions from people who are curious, as I am. I don't need to waste time on snark. I will grant you that the death of Janis Joplin had nothing to do with ObamneyCare.

FPBT says

And why the spike in cock...and H

I didn't see "cock" on the chart, but as for H, see the mechanisms I listed above, if you are actually curious. If you want only sarcasm, go play sarcasm tennis with Bob.

curious2 says

The links have been widely reported for years.

"How Purdue’s ‘one-two’ punch fuelled the market for opioids"

"As tens of thousands of Americans die from prescription opioid overdoses each year, an exclusive analysis by CNN and researchers at Harvard University found that opioid manufacturers are paying physicians huge sums of money -- and the more opioids a doctor prescribes, the more money he or she makes."

"Heroin in the Heartland"

ACA connection? Where are the magic words ACA/obamacare that are missing in the studies? Like I said, a bunch of irrelevant links would be coming.

curious2 says

One mechanism, reported by CBS: doctors pushed prescriptions for OxyContin, supposedly "not habit forming;" unsuspecting patients became addicted; once addicted, they began trading "free" (insured) OxyContin for heroin, which is cheaper on the illegal market, and keeping the difference in cash or using it to buy more heroin.

The magic word obamacare is still missing, as in doctors prescribing for obamacare patients. .

. curious2 says

contrary to what lying Bob would have you believe, ObamneyCare does cover prescriptions, though not necessarily for what the "beneficiaries" need. Another mechanism: ObamneyCare subsidizes infinitely ("no lifetime caps!") "rehab" programs that have 90% failure rates; the "group" sessions and informal conversations become networking events for addicts to exchange information about where to score and how to continue addiction. ObamneyCare subsidized the demand side; blaming China is a distraction: the Chinese could supply hula hoops for free and it wouldn't matter because there is no market for hula hoops, but ObamneyCare increased dramatically the market for opioids and opiates.

I said I was wrong, in the other thread before it was deleted. aca does have prescriptions. Now prove a link between ACA and drug deaths after 2014. There are over 150 million people with prescription drug plans, with 10 million on aca plans. The 150 million other people didn't get any scripts for painkillers? All the od's the last 3 years had aca policies. I'd really like to see the research on that. How did all those people get addicted before ACA going back to 1996?

Setting up treatment plans that aren't very successful is driving od deaths? Then not doing anything at all like private plans is a life saver? ROFLOL. You really can't make this shit up.

As usual it comes down to it's true because I believe it should be true.

curious2 says

. And, contrary to what lying Bob would have you believe,

"lying bob", Yep we are down to being insulting as usual when you are caught out dead wrong. or crying it's sarcasm I won't (as in can't) answer the question. Now go ahead flag my post for calling you out on it as usual.

FPBT says

Ok, here is a serious question, why do you blame Obama Care and not the doctors? It's the doctors who have been over prescribing oxycontin since the drugs first apperence. Shit, even Rush Limbaugh was addicted well before Obama care. So why don't you put the blame we're it's deserved? Is that an honest enough question.

The blame is on the drug companies. The doctors got sold a bill of goods as did the public. Some doctors were greedy bastards making out like bandits, but the vast majority were sincerely following what the drug company said was safe and effective treatment.

FPBT says

why do you blame Obama Care and not the doctors?

For questions about ObamneyCare, see this thread. The legislation has many more impacts besides increasing opioid and opiate deaths, which reached 60k in 2017. Otherwise your question did not make sense: there isn't a mutually exclusive choice between blaming ObamneyCare and blaming doctors. 70% of doctors opposed ObamneyCare, but AMA endorsed it, and many have profited enormously from it, whether they supported or opposed it. I did provide a link above about doctors getting paid for prescribing opiates and opioids. Regarding drug overdoses, the main issue is demand.

BTW, don't let lying Bob distract you with fake numbers, e.g. claiming only "10 million" on Obamneycare; the Medicaid expansion alone was 15 million, and many of the overdoses are occurring in the Medicaid population. I call him lying Bob because of his false accusations against me, for example accusing me of making up a quotation that he claimed never to have said, when in fact I had linked to his comment containing the exact words. Also, he did not admit to having been wrong, even after I proved the fact, and then Marcus deleted the thread because I had proved Marcus wrong about something else. Trolls gonna troll.

FPBT says

Or is that not what you were alluding to?

I had actually been responding to lying Bob's obviously false claim that ObamneyCare doesn't cover prescriptions and "is the biggest source of help" against opioid abuse. But yes, ObamneyCare did increase the demand for opiates and opioids via the mechanisms that I described above. Fentanyl is an opioid.

Patrick says

Note the conspicuous absence of marijuana from that chart.

Because death rate from MJ is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

curious2 says

BTW, don't let lying Bob distract you with fake numbers, e.g. claiming only "10 million" on Obamneycare; the Medicaid expansion alone was 15 million, and many of the overdoses are occurring in the Medicaid population. I

Show what percentage of od's were aca and/or medicaid expansion patients .. We will be waiting, and waiting, and waiting. As usual, as usual, as usual. . Its true because I believe it should be true. More irrelevant links on the way.

curious2 says

I had actually been responding to lying Bob's obviously false claim that ObamneyCare didn't cover prescriptions,

For the third time on two different threads I said that was an error. Not only you you never admit to errors you don't even acknowledge that other people do.

bob2356 says

Show what percentage of od's were aca and/or medicaid expansion patients

You're the one calling ObamneyCare "the biggest source of help," why don't you show how it reduced opioid deaths, which have tripled to new records since enactment and especially since full implementation? Prove that the tripling of deaths was merely a coincidence, if you're so sure it's the biggest source of help.

Elections are heating up, liberal propaganda is warming up steadily.

FPBT says

I'm guessing nearly all fentanyl death are from Illicit fentanyl, prove me wrong.

The legality of the fentanyl is not the issue, so there is nothing to prove on that point. The question is why are people buying and ingesting lethal quantities of fentanyl, and the answer is because they are addicted to opiates/opioids. As for how they became addicted, and progressed from prescribed to illegal, I will copy and paste for you:

curious2 says

One mechanism, reported by CBS: doctors pushed prescriptions for OxyContin, supposedly "not habit forming;" unsuspecting patients became addicted; once addicted, they began trading "free" (insured) OxyContin for heroin, which is cheaper on the illegal market, and keeping the difference in cash or using it to buy more heroin. And, contrary to what lying Bob would have you believe, ObamneyCare does cover prescriptions, though not necessarily for what the "beneficiaries" need. Another mechanism: ObamneyCare subsidizes infinitely ("no lifetime caps!") "rehab" programs that have 90% failure rates; the "group" sessions and informal conversations become networking events for addicts to exchange information about where to score and how to continue addiction. ObamneyCare subsidized the demand side....

bob2356 says

China has been shipping illegal fentanyl, via mail order and mexico. in large quantities since 2014. Drug overdoses exploded starting in 2014. Hmmm. Let's see 24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not.

I know nothing about this, but IF true do you find it ironic or expected that our elite western oligopolistic families sold heroine to china during the opium wars for massive profits, whereas today china is doing the same to the US.

Seems like history repeating itself, and frankly I'd bet our financial elite here are extracting their pound of flesh from this suffering.

'
received prescriptions.curious2 says

ob2356 says

Show what percentage of od's were aca and/or medicaid expansion patients

You're the one calling ObamneyCare "the biggest source of help," why don't you show how it reduced opioid deaths, which have tripled to new records since enactment and especially since full implementation? Prove that the tripling of deaths was merely a coincidence, if you're so sure it's the biggest source of help

Nice totally irrelevant point and strawman. True to form I see. Next on the I don't have an argument hit parade will be the usual list personal insults.

You made the assertion the ACA caused the increase in OD deaths since 2014 you prove it. Since you have no numbers on how many OD deaths since 2014 were people who had ever had prescriptions from ACA or expanded medicare what are you basing your assertion on?

So as usual your argument is it's true because I believe it should be true. What a surprise. It's deja vu all over again.

bob2356 says

expanded medicare

Have you even read what ObamneyCare does? It does not expand Medicare.

It does however expand Medicaid, and that is one of the ways in which it has increased opioid deaths. You want numbers but are too lazy to look for them yourself? Here are a few:

"For dangerous opioids such as oxycodone, Medicaid co-pays can run as low as $1 for as many as 240 pills—pills that can be sold for up to $4,000 on the street.
***
“We can talk morality all day long, but if you’re drawing five hundred dollars a month and you have a Medicaid card that allows you to get a monthly supply of pills worth several thousand dollars, you’re going to sell your pills.”
***
In courts across the country—overwhelmingly in Medicaid expansion states—prosecutors are identifying Medicaid fraud involving opioids. This report highlights nearly 300 criminal cases involving at least 1,072 defendants in which people have been convicted or charged of abusing Medicaid to obtain or sell opioids... Defendants include nurses, pharmacists, and some of the community’s most trusted members, such as an Indiana doctor who delivered an estimated 4,000 babies. [A] Louisiana doctor convicted of over-prescribing painkillers in a scheme to bilk Medicaid was caught on tape threatening to kill the federal agents investigating him. “They won’t even be able to have an open
casket funeral,” court documents quote him as saying... The cases reflect massive frauds and bizarre twists, from a $1 billion scheme to defraud Medicaid and Medicare involving numerous health care providers, to a New York doctor and oxycodone distributor who blamed her actions on an alternative personality named “Nala.”
***
Drug overdose deaths have risen rapidly, at a much faster pace than before expansion.
***
Perhaps Sam Adolphsen, a former Maine Department of Health and Human Services official, said it best. “As 15 million able-bodied adults were added to Medicaid through
Obamacare, the drug problem only grew worse.... In reality, Medicaid may be fueling the problem and may be largely responsible for starting the epidemic in the first place.”
***
More than 80 percent of the 298 separate Medicaid-opioids cases identified were filed in Medicaid expansion states, led by New York, Michigan, Louisiana, New Jersey, and Ohio. The number of criminal cases increased 55 percent in the first four years after Medicaid expansion, from 2014 to 2017, compared to the four-year period before expansion.
***
Drug overdose deaths per one million people are rising nearly twice as fast in expansion states as non-expansion states while opioid-related hospital stays paid for by
Medicaid massively spiked after expansion.
***
Medicaid spending to treat victims is escalating, especially in expansion states. Spending on a single opioid overdose medication, for example, increased an astonishing 90,205 percent between 2011 and 2016, with costs rising “most notably after 2014.”

Read the whole report, it has more numbers for you. Meanwhile, your latest lie is that the medical insurance legislation signed in 2010 and implemented during 2010-2014 "is the biggest source of help" and had nothing to do with the huge increase in opiate and opioid deaths that followed. The ultimate numbers are these, RIP:


https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

curious2 says

Read the whole report, it has more numbers for you. Meanwhile, your latest lie is that the medical insurance legislation signed in 2010 and implemented during 2010-2014 "is the biggest source of help" and had nothing to do with the huge increase in opiate and opioid deaths that followed. The ultimate numbers are these, RIP

I did read it, a while ago. Nice bit of political theater. It's a condemnation of some medicaid providers not aca. Many of the cases are in non expansion states or before medicaid expansion. There were increases in the expansion states. DUH, no fucking shit. They expanded the program. There were more people on medicaid. Of course the numbers went up.

I noticed the report has no hard numbers at all on how many OD deaths were from medicaid patients vs private insurance patients. Why is that? So the report :"PROVES" nothing about the aca causing the increase in OD deaths.

Nothing to do? Where did I say that? Now you can apologize for lying. Did ACA fuel the entire or even most of the increase? Show me the numbers of OD deaths for ACA people vs regular medicaid, private insurance, cash payments. Hasn't happened yet.

Did ACA provide a lot of measures to fight opioid abuse. Yes. Is there anyone else providing more? Show who or retract that lie also.

bob2356 says

Show me the numbers of OD deaths for ACA people vs regular medicaid, private insurance, cash payments. Hasn't happened yet

I have done that 3 times in this thread. Compare the numbers from 2009, when there were no Obamneycare people, to 2015. I have also shown (including quoting) specific mechanisms by which Obamneycare caused the increase. Yet, you persist in contending the opposite, that the legislation "is the biggest source of help." Look at the increased spending and you will get a clue what "help" the legislation was designed to deliver.

In fact, this time you appear to have conceded while pretending to argue:

bob2356 says

There were more people on medicaid. Of course the numbers went up.

So, now you're acknowledging the fact, even while pretending to deny it. Now you have to explain how the legislation helped the numbers go down when in fact you've admitted that "of course" they went up.