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I agree Trump is somewhat dangerous, but he's not nearly as dangerous as a one-sided ideology that tolerates no dissent at all and has nearly complete economic control over all corporations and all media.

We live in an ideological echo chamber, whose masters are currently on a hysterical witch hunt, looking for unbelievers to punish. Witness the email from Uber today.

rando says

I agree Trump is somewhat dangerous, but he's not nearly as dangerous as a one-sided ideology that tolerates no dissent at all and has nearly complete economic control over all corporations and all media.

We live in an ideological echo chamber, whose masters are currently on a hysterical witch hunt, looking for unbelievers to punish. Witness the email from Uber today.

The left has nearly all economic control over all corporations and media?

Nearly all, yes.

Corporations toe the PC line out of fear of negative publicity. For example, they are not going to publicly question the wisdom of gay marriage, but may publicly support it. They are kept in line by fear of journalists, and journalists are almost all on the left. For example, only 7% of journalists are Republicans:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-jobs-east-coast-215048

Which corporations exude leftist values like strong Labor Rights for the workers?

Here in the real world, everything out my window looks straight out of a Right Wingers wet dream.

A system of Laws and a society captured by Christians and unquestioning right wingers, frothing at the mouth to have their hardcore right wing police state stomp the deviants and those who are different, to death.

"Nearly all, yes. Corporations toe the PC line out of fear of negative publicity. For example, they are not going to publicly question the wisdom of gay marriage, but may publicly support it. They are kept in line by fear of journalists, and journalists are almost all on the left. For example, only 7% of journalists are Republicans:"

I have to disagree with that one. Corporations are in the business of making money. Their job is to appeal to as many potential customers as possible and everything they do is with that in mind. Negative publicity is definitely a factor, yes. But to imply they are tools of the left is utterly ridiculous.

Corporations pretty much universally oppose the ENTIRE economic agenda of liberals. I challenge you to find any economic plank of the Dem platform that corporations favor. And I similarly challenge you to find ANY economic plank of the Republican platform that corporations do NOT favor.

jajojojr, why would you challenge him to search for something he has already declared as non-existent?

errc says

Here in the real world, everything out my window looks straight out of a Right Wingers wet dream.

joeyjojojunior says

Corporations pretty much universally oppose the ENTIRE economic agenda of liberals. I challenge you to find any economic plank of the Dem platform that corporations favor. And I similarly challenge you to find ANY economic plank of the Republican platform that corporations do NOT favor.

The quote was from Patrick so, the challenge was also for Patrick.

joeyjojojunior says

Corporations are in the business of making money. Their job is to appeal to as many potential customers as possible and everything they do is with that in mind. Negative publicity is definitely a factor, yes. But to imply they are tools of the left is utterly ridiculous.

Corporations pretty much universally oppose the ENTIRE economic agenda of liberals.

You brought up a good point, but put the emphasis on the wrong word. It should be like this:

Corporations pretty much universally oppose the entire ECONOMIC agenda of liberals.

Corporations almost universally support the SOCIAL agenda of liberals because that agenda:

1. does not interfere with their profits (for example, gay marriage)
2. helps divide us all so that we fight each other based on the ridiculous divisions and do not fight unlimited corporate power over government

So corporations are indeed tools of the left in terms of the left's social agenda.

I'd argue corporations are in favor of the social agenda that will lead to the highest sales.

joeyjojojunior says

I'd argue corporations are in favor of the social agenda that will lead to the highest sales.

Sales is one aspect, but a huge additional aspect is corporate control of government, arguably a larger factor than sales in corporate profitability.

If the corporations can keep us asking the wrong questions by dividing us with left-right crap, then they don't have to worry about the answer. They retain control of the government.

Feminism is a prime example where corporations (the "owners") learned that sometimes the so called liberal (social) agenda is VERY VERY good for them. As time goes on, we get closer and closer to having nearly a requirement of two wage earners per household (family). It would be an exaggeration to say that workers can be paid half what they were in the 60s, because of this. Even back then, lower income families nearly required two paychecks, if they were going to support a family decently. But these days it's pretty much a necessity across the board.

Having most women out there working means corporations can pay less than they would if a much smaller percentage of women were working.

But Patrick is wrong about this:

errc says

The left has nearly all economic control over all corporations and media?

That's ridiculous.

This is correct.

errc says

Here in the real world, everything out my window looks straight out of a Right Wingers wet dream.

A system of Laws and a society captured by Christians and unquestioning right wingers, frothing at the mouth to have their hardcore right wing police state stomp the deviants and those who are different, to death.

As is this

joeyjojojunior says

Corporations pretty much universally oppose the ENTIRE economic agenda of liberals. I challenge you to find any economic plank of the Dem platform that corporations favor. And I similarly challenge you to find ANY economic plank of the Republican platform that corporations do NOT favor.

Also, I think the political correctness point is often overstated, but I see it very much in the current frenzy to take down confederate statues. That's stupid, but extremely beneficial to the political right. I can finally get on the 'screw the political correctness' band wagon over this issue, but maybe I'm overly affected by a direct ancestor who was a medic that died on the confederate side in the war.

Slavery and secession may have been a mistake, but people fighting a war for "their country" should not to blamed for the the war making decisions of the southern aristocracy and their government officials. I'm pretty liberal on the subject of BLM and minority rights, although I agree the SJWs mess it up. I don't see confederate statues as an endorsement of anti-black racism, even if white supremacists are a little overly fond of all confederacy related symbols.

I don't like to see modern day hate regarding civil war history in either direction.

It was just a little bit of atrocity foreplay.

errc says

Which corporations exude leftist values like strong Labor Rights for the workers?

They don't. They exude a cultural-marxist/fascist agenda which means they will use the current batshit crazy left as a useful tool to stay on top. Occasionally they will have to pay out somebody based on their own adoption of political correct social justice nonsense, but it will be worth it for them as the workers will never be able to concentrate on the fact that their are ALL getting a bad deal, not just whitey mc whitemale. Traditional left labor rights have nothing to do with this social justice nonsense, but fair pay, vacation and certain rights to free speech apart from their workplace which must not influence their employment status,