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1   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 18, 1:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

So do you lefties support getting rid of Mt Rushmore, Jefferson/Washington statues? Do you think it will stop there, where will this craziness stop?

2   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Aug 18, 8:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I have to give Gingrich and Trump credit, because they provoked some people to call for the removal of those statues. He's good at trolling, and his audience loves it when he catches something.

For me, it is an of course not. It would be nice if the gov offered to provide money to finish the Crazy Horse monument, but I doubt they would accept it. A more realistic battle is over the confederate memorial in Arlington cemetery, which I think probably ought to stay.

3   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 18, 8:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Democratic Leaders must disavow.

It's been a while since this call came out, from a high traffic website.

Why won't Pelosi, Booker, and Harris disavow? Do they support removing Mt. Rushmore? We demand a disavowal now! No more Delay!

4   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 18, 8:39am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

lostand confused says

Vice magazine-get rid of Mt Rushmore-black caucas exective calls for removal of jefferson , Washington statues

Now it's going too far. Don't Blacks realize Jefferson and Washington are their ancestors?

5   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Aug 18, 8:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says

Don't Blacks realize Jefferson and Washington are their ancestors?

You may have been making a joke, but I don't think that makes much of a difference. At least some of Lee and Jackson's ancestors were in favor of taking those memorials down and putting them in a museum. http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/us/robert-e-lees-grandson-comments-on-statue-removal/index.html

6   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Aug 18, 9:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

lostand confused says

What is next seizing money from any non black to give reparations??

Reparations should have been given immediately after the Civil War. If they had been and the blacks were allowed to integrate into society, then none of the racial problems or related crimes we are dealing with today would be happening. It would have been damn cheaper than what we've already spent dealing with the symptoms of the problems.

However, since slavery was the product of the south as was most of the oppression after the Civil War, it's really only the south that needs to be taxed to pay for the damage it did to America. Particularly tax the rich in the South since they got to keep their ill-gotten gains from slavery.

7   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Aug 18, 9:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

lostand confused says

So do you lefties support getting rid of Mt Rushmore, Jefferson/Washington statues?

Jefferson and Washington were child rapists and slavers, so yes. I don't think we should glorify child rapists no matter how common child rape was in their time. Most people still didn't rape children. And even if most people did, it would still be inexcusable. It's not like those rapists didn't realize that raping a child is morally wrong.

8   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 18, 9:14am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Dan8267 says

Reparations should have been given immediately after the Civil War. If they had been and the blacks were allowed to integrate into society, then none of the racial problems or related crimes we are dealing with today would be happening. It would have been damn cheaper than what we've already spent dealing with the symptoms of the problems.

Sounds like an excuse. Blacks of today have every opportunity to progress and integrate. Why don't they?

9   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 18, 11:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

What next? Pyramids for human sacrifices and animism?

10   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 18, 12:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Why won't Harris, Booker, Pelosi disavow the Vice Article?

How come the glorious 5th Column 4th Estate not holding them accountable.

Baltimore just removed the 5th Chief SCOTUS from the State House, however shitty most of his rulings were.

11   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Aug 18, 2:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Strategist says

Sounds like an excuse. Blacks of today have every opportunity to progress and integrate. Why don't they?

Getting shot by police puts a damper on your economic prospects as well as your children's. Also being arrested for doing a drug that is only illegal to make sure the people of your race cannot vote also puts a damper on those prospects.

Of course a large part of the blame is with the individuals, but there are so many individuals with ghetto culture because of the economic despair, legal actions, and prevention of assimilating brought on by race isolationists.

12   WineHorror   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 18, 2:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Ceffer says

What next? Pyramids for human sacrifices and animism?

Leftists are destroyers because the success others have only stands to remind them, constantly, of their on inability to succeed. Sad, so sad.

13   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 18, 2:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

This would be a good way to operationally verify our nuclear stockpile
TwoScoopsMcGee says

Do they support removing Mt. Rushmore?

14   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Aug 18, 2:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Here's a thought. If the nationalists who want the statues to remain were to experience every pain, every injustice inflicted on the victims of the persons portrayed in the statues, then not a single one of them would want the statues to remain. If those nationalists experienced every rape by Washington as experience by his victim, the very site of Washington statue would throw them into a violent rage. Maybe the real solution to such delusional nationalists is for some time travel to record the experiences form the victims' brains and then play them back in the nationalists' brains. I suspect nothing short of that would get the nationalists to feel empathy.

15   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 18, 3:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Sounds like an excuse. Blacks of today have every opportunity to progress and integrate. Why don't they?

Getting shot by police puts a damper on your economic prospects as well as your children's. Also being arrested for doing a drug that is only illegal to make sure the people of your race cannot vote also puts a damper on those prospects.

Of course a large part of the blame is with the individuals, but there are so many individuals with ghetto culture because of the economic despair, legal actions, and prevention of assimilating brought on by race isolationists.

One excuse after another.
Who is to blame for the father abandoning children. Dropping out of school. Committing crime. Rioting and looting.
Blacks need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. Where are the fucking leaders of the Black community? Oh yeah, Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton are busy blackmailing corporation, and spending the loot on luxury mansions. Where the hell is Obama? How come he refuses to help his sons?

16   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Aug 18, 3:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Strategist says

One excuse after another.

Bullshit. What your doing is no different than saying that the cop who was assassinated for being a cop deserved it and those who say otherwise are making excuses. You should really play back your messages pretending they are being said by the other team regarding your team and you'll see how despicable those messages are.

Strategist says

Who is to blame for the father abandoning children.

Fuck blame. I don't give a shit about moral condemnation and chest thumping on this issue. Moral condemnation only has value when you are trying to disincentive immoral behavior.

What matters in this problem is cause and effect. What are the reasons that black Americans
- commit more violent crime
- become less educated
- are more dependent on the state
- remain poor generation after generation

There are many reasons, but to say it's all the blacks' fault and white people in government and banking had nothing to do with it is utter bullshit.

And here's the thing about problems. If you don't know the cause of the problems, you probably can't do shit to fix them. And that means you'll have to keep paying the costs of those problems. So unless you want to keep being taxed to pay for social services and anti-poverty programs, chuck your racist worldview and just look to fix the damn problems. Think like an engineer, not a politician.

17   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Aug 18, 3:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Strategist says

2 scenarios, which scenario makes the most sense?

1. The slave girl snuck into the masters bedroom and seduced the old man.

2. The master walked into the frightened little girls hut and raped her.

Obviously the latter. No slave is going to sneak up to the master. He or she would be killed immediately.

And the rape does not have to take place in the hut. It can still take place in the house.

Do you really think that male slavers did not rape female slaves? Are you that divorced from reality that you cannot realize that this would be common, and it would be a damn rare exception when that's not the case? Or do you think male humans only evolved a strong sex drive after 1865?

18   marcus   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 18, 4:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I give Dan credit for realizing that in order to be logically consistent in his condemnation of General Lee, and all confederates, he should also condemn Washington and Jefferson. But that's where he loses anyone who might have agreed with him about Lee and the white southerners who feel some historic (and non racist) connection to the confederacy.

19   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 18, 5:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Dan8267 says

Fuck blame. I don't give a shit about moral condemnation and chest thumping on this issue. Moral condemnation only has value when you are trying to disincentive immoral behavior.

What matters in this problem is cause and effect. What are the reasons that black Americans

- commit more violent crime

- become less educated

- are more dependent on the state

- remain poor generation after generation

There are many reasons, but to say it's all the blacks' fault and white people in government and banking had nothing to do with it is utter bullshit.

And here's the thing about problems. If you don't know the cause of the problems, you probably can't do shit to fix them.

So what are the reasons? I gave you lots of reasons.

20   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Aug 19, 3:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

marcus says

But that's where he loses anyone who might have agreed with him about Lee and the white southerners who feel some historic (and non racist) connection to the confederacy.

Sometimes you have to put right before popular, and truth before agreement. Actually, make that all the time.

21   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 19, 6:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I wonder how many American blacks had ancestors who were slave owners in Africa.

22   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 19, 6:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Ceffer says

I wonder how many American blacks had ancestors who were slave owners in Africa.

Probably all of them. Slavery in Africa was common for thousands of years.

24   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Aug 19, 6:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says

logically consistent in his condemnation of General Lee, and all confederates, he should also condemn Washington and Jefferson

Its necessary to condemn the action but it's not logically necessary to put those two in the same bucket.

25   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Aug 19, 9:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Ceffer says

I wonder how many American blacks had ancestors who were slave owners in Africa.

Quite a few as raping female slaves was common. That does not excuse glorifying the rapists.

26   FortWayne   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 6, 9:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Any idiot on the left can tear down, brain not required.
27   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 6, 11:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It wouldn't take much carving skill to make the Rushmore faces look like Dworkin Golem and three other immense hirsute lesbians.
28   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Sep 7, 7:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

PeopleUnited says
It is you who are attempting to whitewash history by demonizing men for their flaws rather than recognizing the important influence they had on making the world a better place.


Whitewashing is, by definition, making something horrific seem less so. You're not even using English right.

However, I've never stated that Thomas Jefferson and the Confederates are the same. Yes, one can make the case that Jefferson and Washington are honored for starting a nation despite having severe flaws, whereas the confederate statues are glorifying the very evil acts of slavery. I have never stated that there is an equivalency between statues of Jefferson and statues of Confederates. However, I have stated that there is sufficient cause to judge both Washington and Jefferson as unworthy of honor because of their slave owning and slave raping ways.

If you want to debate me on this issue, then fine. Go right ahead. You'll lose.

But first, you might want to imagine how you would feel if one of your not-so-distant ancestors was repeated raped by one of these men. How would you feel paying for a statue honoring that rapist and seeing every day in front of a courthouse. You might be a little bit upset over that.




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