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1 Booger   2017 Aug 24, 6:35pm   ↑ like (9)   ↑ dislike (9)     quote        

This is called the"Welfare trap" and it is designed to create generational dependence on the state. They give you enough to placate you while keeping you dependent. Then your kids are dependent. Then your grandkids forget anything about being independent at all. It locks you into making sure you are compliant, and if you vote, you vote.....hmm.... For who?

2 epitaph   2017 Aug 24, 6:40pm   ↑ like (8)   ↑ dislike (8)     quote        

California is short on tech sector workers willing to take 60k a year, the only solution is to fire up that h1b machine and run it at max cap till the middle class is a piece of history much like the dodo.

3 Ceffer   2017 Aug 24, 7:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

It's simple economics. You have to offer higher welfare until you have more than half the population on welfare. So called worker shortages are relative, and just think of all the happy children.

4 indigenous   2017 Aug 24, 7:50pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

That's right, the lower class are subsidized in order to be obsequious servants of the chosen ones subsidized by the state at the higher end. E.G. Elon Musk

5 HEY YOU   2017 Aug 24, 7:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Can't fix stupid.

6 Strategist   2017 Aug 24, 8:17pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

Booger says

This is called the"Welfare trap" and it is designed to create generational dependence on the state.

That's what happens when you give too much welfare to people. You end up creating lazy useless freeloaders who want more and more.
If you cut off the welfare of able bodied bums, they will mysteriously find a job within 24 hours.

7 Fucking White Male   2017 Aug 25, 4:35am   ↑ like (4)   ↑ dislike (4)     quote        

Lots of jobs out there. Lots. Welfare should be ended in California within the next six months(and more illegals should be deported).

8 Fucking White Male   2017 Aug 25, 4:37am   ↑ like (4)   ↑ dislike (4)     quote        

And there should be an auditing of those receiving state or social security disability checks.

9 BlueSardine   2017 Aug 25, 6:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

With the advancement of robotics, and decline/exporting of middle/lower class jobs, this approach, while repugnant, may be the only viable solution to the More People/Less Jobs conundrum short of forced sterilization...
Ceffer says

It's simple economics. You have to offer higher welfare until you have more than half the population on welfare.

10 georgeliberte   2017 Aug 25, 6:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

This only makes sense and reflects true statistics if they are including all Social Security retirees, who are not on welfare in the traditional sense. Otherwise, where are they hifing all these folks and how do hey get on CalWORKS if they have never come into a Social Service office. That is a regulatory requirement strictly enforced that obviously annoys people who do not want to do it. You did notice Ernie Seppi provides no citation for his made-up statistic.

11 marcus   2017 Aug 28, 6:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

georgeliberte says

This only makes sense and reflects true statistics if they are including all Social Security retirees

Yes. "Welfare" only exists as a temporary program now that people can be on for at most a total of 5 years of their life. Food stamps are gotten by many people with jobs that that don't pay their cost of living.

But I'll grant that it's true that there are people who have found ways such as cleaning lady (cash job) or other cash job plus food stamps plus temporary welfare that in total pays better than picking crops. What would you do in their shoes ?

12 Strategist   2017 Aug 28, 7:36am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

marcus says

But I'll grant that it's true that there are people who have found ways such as cleaning lady (cash job) or other cash job plus food stamps plus temporary welfare that in total pays better than picking crops. What would you do in their shoes ?

That is exactly why there should be no welfare for able bodied people.

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