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DoofusRicky says

Oh I have no doubt that you wish to debate several of the things on my list brother Goran.

There's no debate. Obama pulling troops out of Iraq basically handed the country over to Islamic extremist which then lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and just as many women being sold into sexual slavery or worse.

Nothing to debate at all. That's actually what happened.

Goran_K says

DoofusRicky says

Oh I have no doubt that you wish to debate several of the things on my list brother Goran.

There's no debate. Obama pulling troops out of Iraq basically handed the country over to Islamic extremist which then lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and just as many women being sold into sexual slavery or worse.

Nothing to debate at all. That's actually what happened.

Why were the troops there in the first place?

FP says

Here we go again, Goran. You don't seem to have learned from our earlier bet attempt.

By offering 1:1 odds, you either: (1) believe that the probability for Trump to be removed from office by end of 2018 is about 50%; (2) think that the person you are challenging to a bet with is an idiot; or (3) you are an idiot.

Which one is it?

I'm not being a blowhard on this forum about how "sure I am" that Trump is getting removed.

I think if a blowhard is so sure, they should be willing to put their money on it, not say "Well I would do it if you give me extremely friendly odds like 10 to 1, then maybe I would do it." That sounds extremely unsure and weak on their part.

I did offer 10 to 1 odds in a previous post and still got no takers btw.

BorderPatrol says

you sound exactly like a true low life and coward.

Again, resorting to name calling? LOL

Who's a low life?

HappyGilmore says

The problem with that statement is attaching cause. Pulling troops out didn't cause atrocities. Evil people caused the atrocities.

The same can be said of Bush and Iraq. "Removing Saddam from power didn't cause atrocities. Evil people caused the atrocities." I don't think anyone on the Left is giving Bush any slack on the violence that occurred in Iraq on his watch. Nor should Obama get any slack for foolishly pulling ALL troops and creating a massive void for ISIS.

Besides, Obama openly said preventing genocide is not a good enough reason to leave troops in Iraq. Obama KNEW what would happen. Bush could at least say he hoped liberating Iraq would have turned out more peaceful.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19862711/ns/politics-decision_08/t/obama-dont-stay-iraq-over-genocide/#.WlPxK66nGpo

socal2 says

The same can be said of Bush and Iraq. "Removing Saddam from power didn't cause atrocities. Evil people caused the atrocities." I don't think anyone on the Left is giving Bush any slack on the violence that occurred in Iraq on his watch

Because the cause CAN be attached to this statement. Sending US troops to Iraq CAUSED US soldiers to die. That is what people were upset about--wasting US lives and treasure.

errc says

Goran_K says

DoofusRicky says

Oh I have no doubt that you wish to debate several of the things on my list brother Goran.

There's no debate. Obama pulling troops out of Iraq basically handed the country over to Islamic extremist which then lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and just as many women being sold into sexual slavery or worse.

Nothing to debate at all. That's actually what happened.

Why were the troops there in the first place?

More to the point, Goran seems to have conveniently forgotten who signed the SOFA. It begins with a B if you need some help. Mind, I remember a lot of people on here (and in general) demanding that Obama tear it up. Oh sorry, no I don’t.
And 100s of thousands of people died in Iraq because of the unnecessary war instigated by Bush. ISIS has brought abject misery to that country, but it hasn’t caused anywhere near that level of casualties in Iraq.

I've always maintained that Bush AND Obama were terrible, horrible presidents who accomplished little. I'm glad you seem to agree.

Trump isn't going anywhere.

If you believe the desperate Fake News, pushed by a Media that is about to get slammed in a scandal, watch his talk to a Farm Group in Tennessee last night. Lots of Glad Handling, Quips, and off the cuff remarks. Of course the whole thing about Trump being crazy OR lazy is ridiculous, given his hectic campaign schedule and the occasional speeches he gives now. Not a sign of it.

The broken promises thing is also getting tired. He mentioned Pakistan by name before, on the campaign trail, and he just delivered again. Add that to Tax Cuts, SCOTUS Judge, Jerusalem, Travel Ban, etc. and both he and his administration hardly go a day without mentioning the Wall, Voter ID, the ridiculous Lottery System, and other immigration issues.

Damned odd for a guy who intends on breaking his promises.

There may be a DACA, but it's not coming without big league Immigration reform, including the Wall. There's no reason to give the minority opposition what they want without major concessions from them.

Goran_K says

I've always maintained that Bush AND Obama were terrible, horrible presidents who accomplished little. I'm glad you seem to agree.

I think most Republicans would agree with Goran's statement.

Goran_K says

I've always maintained that Bush AND Obama were terrible, horrible presidents who accomplished little. I'm glad you seem to agree.

Yeah, you’ll have to explain where I seem to agree with that.

anon_403c8 says

Yeah, you’ll have to explain where I seem to agree with that.

Oh, you think Obama was a good president is my guess.

That's a very hard platform to defend, but you're welcome to do it.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/immigrants-shithole-countries-trump/index.html.

Trump decries immigrants from 'shithole countries' coming to USA