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This is why Leftism is going to eventually die out: Ideology vs Truth.


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2018 Jan 21, 11:20am   13,429 views  56 comments

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Eye opening display of blind leftism being absolutely picked apart, totally destroyed, over a 30 minute interview.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/aMcjxSThD54

2.5 million views, 50,000 comments and rising.

This happens all the time now. Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro regularly publicly destroy leftist ideas in the forum of public opinion, and it's always a slaughter.

Think about a Monday Night Football game, where one team has scored 4 touchdowns by the half, and you're only watching the 2nd half to see how bad it gets. These aren't even ideological debates anymore, it's ideological wipeouts. Now because of social media literally tens of millions of people are seeing these blowouts, and it's hurting leftism deeply.

Leftist think they are winning because MSM controls cable. That's true. The problem is, young people aren't watching CNN or NBC or care much about Don Lemon or Jake Tapper. They go onto social media and see these destructive battles of ideology and see leftist ideological corpses left in their wake.

There are no Ben Shapiros or Jordan Petersons on the left either. None exist.

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51   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Jan 24, 12:47pm  

I listened to a debate between Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson in which Harris eviscerated Peterson on his epistemological views.
I think Peterson was trying to include things like Jungian archetypes as a level of "truth" - which may be expected from a clinical psychologist but didn't fare well against raw realism.
Many academics should spend an afternoon with their hands in the grease trying to fix a car engine. This would help them to distinguish more clearly subjective and objective reality.
52   Goran_K   2018 Jan 25, 9:03am  

For those who haven't seen Sam Harris.

Here he is on CNN debating Islamist defender Zakara.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/bZtNpQwcKGs
53   anonymous   2018 Jan 25, 6:02pm  

HS, make no mistake, even with all the Jungian mumbo-jumbo, Peterson's framework is firmly rooted in evolutionary biology. Objective reality from that framework says that as your underlying environment changes, all the material knowledge in the world (just the facts, Sam Harris) won't save your bacon. Watch out for the cat-bird-snake, bucko.
54   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Jan 25, 10:27pm  

anon_3e01a says
HS, make no mistake, even with all the Jungian mumbo-jumbo, Peterson's framework is firmly rooted in evolutionary biology. Objective reality from that framework says that as your underlying environment changes, all the material knowledge in the world (just the facts, Sam Harris) won't save your bacon. Watch out for the cat-bird-snake, bucko.


Well of course it is.
Let's cut it into layers:
1 - The subjective world: this is first-person experience: Everything we are consciously aware of, including perception, sensations like thirst or pain, and feelings like frustration or love.
2 - the physical world, aka the real world
3 - the behavior of the brain seen as a third person experience.

(1) is pretty much the only thing we can be certain of, however, it is not shared between people.
(2) is a subset of (1) in the way we experience it, but it is more tangible than most other subjective facts. In addition, it is shared between people.
(3) the brain-behavior is part of (2) and should normally also describe (1). Our subjective impressions should be explained by the physiology of the brain and neurons activity.

When you talk about evolutionary psychology, you are talking about (3). And normally Jungian archetype can be understood as (3), but also as (1) (first-person vs third-person).

Now Harris is a moral realist, meaning he tries to understand some subjective notions like well-being as a part of the universe. In a way, his claim is that part of (1) is really obviously shared between humans. For example, we all understand that a woman wearing an Islamic tent is probably not optimal well-being. But I think he really approaches it on layer (3), as a neuroscientist. This is tricky because some notions like pain cannot easily be understood on layer (3). On layer (3) you would see pain as a signal, not as feeling the pain.
Whereas Peterson (I think) was trying to make the claim that part of (1) (outside of the real world) can be understood as truth. Now, maybe this can be done, but this is also tricky because it's not shared between people and not very tangible. The way he presented it was in a Darwinian way: truth is anything that doesn't get you killed. This really doesn't make a whole lot of sense and didn't fly with Harris.
55   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Jan 25, 10:51pm  

What's even better about Trump is the $50,000 my almost-entirely-index-fund investments have made.

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