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California Considers $1,000 Fine for Waiters Offering Unsolicited Plastic Straws


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2018 Jan 25, 10:41am   12,913 views  51 comments

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http://reason.com/blog/2018/01/25/california-bill-would-criminalize-restau

Ian Calderon wants restaurateurs to think long and hard before giving you a straw.

Calderon, the Democratic majority leader in California's lower house, has introduced a bill to stop sit-down restaurants from offering customers straws with their beverages unless they specifically request one. Under Calderon's law, a waiter who serves a drink with an unrequested straw in it would face up to 6 months in jail and a fine of up to $1,000.

"We need to create awareness around the issue of one-time use plastic straws and its detrimental effects on our landfills, waterways, and oceans," Calderon explained in a press release.

This isn't just Calderon's crusade. The California cities of San Luis Obispo and Davis both passed straws-on-request laws last year, and Manhattan Beach maintains a prohibition on all disposable plastics. And up in Seattle, food service businesses won't be allowed to offer plastic straws or utensils as of July.

The Los Angeles Times has gotten behind the movement, endorsing straws-on-request policies in an editorial that also warned that "repetitive sucking may cause or exacerbate wrinkles on the lips or around the mouth." Celebrity astronomer Neil DeGrasse Tyson (always up for a little chiding) and Entourage star Adrian Grenier have appeared in videos where an octopus slaps them in the face for using a plastic straw.

The actual number of straws being used is unclear. Calderon, along with news outlets writing about this issue—from CNN to the San Francisco Chronicle—unfailingly state that Americans use 500 million plastic straws a day, many of them ending up in waterways and oceans. The 500 million figure is often attributed to the National Park Service; it in turn got it from the recycling company Eco-Cycle.

Eco-Cycle is unable to provide any data to back up this number, telling Reason that it was relying on the research of one Milo Cress. Cress—whose Be Straw Free Campaign is hosted on Eco-Cycle's website—tells Reason that he arrived at the 500 million straws a day figure from phone surveys he conducted of straw manufacturers in 2011, when he was just 9 years old.

Cress, who is now 16, says that the National Restaurant Association has endorsed his estimates in private correspondence. This may well be true, but the only references to the 500 million figure on the association's website again points back to the work done by Cress.

More important than how many straws Americans use each day is how many wind up in waterways. We don't know that figure either. The closest we have is the number of straws collected by the California Costal Commission during its annual Coastal Cleanup Day: a total of 835,425 straws and stirrers since 1988, or about 4.1 percent of debris collected.

Squishy moderates on the straw issue have pushed paper straws, which come compostable at only eight times the price. Eco-Cycle skews a bit more radical, with their "Be Straw Free" campaign—sponsored in part by reusable straw makers—that urges the adoption of glass or steel straws. Because we all know how good steel smelting is for the environment.

In any case, criminalizing unsolicited straws seems like a rather heavy-handed approach to the problem, especially since we don't actually know how big a problem it is. But don't take my word for that. Ask Milo Cress.

"If people are forced not to use straws, then they won't necessarily see that it's for the environment," he tells Reason. "They'll just think it's just another inconvenience imposed on them by government."

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41   AD   2022 Aug 15, 10:49pm  

Patrick says








I would just like seeing more recycling of plastic. My Ocean Kayak (scrambler model) is made of recycled plastic. Lots of opportunities to reuse plastic instead of being placed in the landfill. Granted, a landfill could be used for natural gas production but those plastics take a long time to decompose compared to the organic material.

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42   Patrick   2022 Aug 15, 10:55pm  

Plastics are made of carbon, mostly, and if you can burn them at a high enough temperature, you get just CO2, some chlorine salts, and some elements like arsenic and lead.

The key is getting to really high temperatures. You might actually be able to generate power from plastics too.
43   AD   2022 Aug 16, 12:39am  

Patrick says

The key is getting to really high temperatures. You might actually be able to generate power from plastics too.


Yes, as far as if they are used in an incinerator. The county just shut down an incinerator here that use to burn garbage.

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44   richwicks   2022 Aug 16, 12:50am  

Patrick says

The key is getting to really high temperatures. You might actually be able to generate power from plastics too.


They do this.

Provided it's a high enough temperatures, it burns cleanly. This is what is done with most recycled plastic, provided it's not just sent to a landfill and that happens plenty too.

We really shouldn't be using so much plastic. It's stupid, for example, that bottled water is sold in plastic, and not a paper carton like milk is. Actually, bottled water is stupid.
45   Eric Holder   2022 Aug 16, 11:00am  

Plastic going into rivers and oceans is really Asian problem, not Europeand or American. 99.99999% of it gets into the ocean from Asian countries. But since it's easier to look for car keys under the street light than in the dark forest where they were lost, is us who's hammered with stupid bans on this and that. I don't throw anything on the ground, even fucking banana peels, while it's totally socially acceptable to throw all kinds of garbage into rivers in Asia. Or shitting in a plastic bag and trowing it into the bush or onto neighbor's roof in Kenya. But good luck telling them to stop it.
46   Patrick   2022 Aug 16, 9:11pm  

That "Great Pacific Garbage Patch" could actually be worth a lot of money if someone can make a ship that scoops it up, dries it off, and burns it or refines it back into oil.
47   HeadSet   2022 Aug 17, 6:14am  

Patrick says

That "Great Pacific Garbage Patch" could actually be worth a lot of money if someone can make a ship that scoops it up, dries it off, and burns it or refines it back into oil.

More likely that all that low density floating plastic would barely make enough fuel to fill the gas tank of the boat that scooped it up.

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