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CajunSteve says

Yes, we can spend a zillion dollars and put armed guards at every entrance and exit 24 hours a day, or we can simply make it impossible for mentally deranged kids to get assault weapons.

Yeah, the state can afford tens of thousands of $50k-250k janitors, nurses, admins and Teachers, but the cost of a 3-4 FTE $30k/year security guards at a 3100+ student campus would cost "ZILLIONS!!!"

Yet almost every hospital requires visitors to show ID and wear a photo ID badge these days, any schmuck can drive right onto a K-12 campus and walk in the door without the least interaction with a security obstacle.

"It's UNTHINKABLE to have rudimentary security at a huge school campus. The cost would be ZILLIONS! But we need to hire thousands more $60k/yr teachers! And more $100k consulting programs for our staff for diversity training! And millions on language teachers because dreamers need ENGLISH INSTRUCTION. No cost except Security Guards are TOO EXPENSIVE for our children!!! Ban all guns instead!!!"

What's your plan to restrict firearms from mentally deranged kids, when 39 encounters with LEOs, plus expulsion from public school, said he heard demons in his head, posted promises of violence online, and notification to the FBI of specific threats days prior to the incident, where the kid expressed a specific desire to shoot up a school did not result in any preventative act, such as forcible hospitalization.

"Don't worry, he's on an SSRI! No Mass Murderer has ever been on SSRIs! An SSRI and transfer to an at-risk school was all the intervention needed, Now we must BAN ALL FIREARMS!"

Forget about school shootings, any pervert, or non-custodial parent, etc. could have walked right in the door and nobody would know they were there unless serendipity intervened.

CajunSteve says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Dumbassery on so many levels.

This is dumbassery Monday Morning Quarterbacking.

Yes, we can spend a zillion dollars and put armed guards at every entrance and exit 24 hours a day, or we can simply make it impossible for mentally deranged kids to get assault weapons.

Mentally ill can't get guns already in many states. The bigger problem is the ban of Christianity in schools, you ban god, you leave it up to the children to figure out their own morality, and they don't all turn into angels like liberal media movies thinks they do.

I 100% blame all of this on liberals, they've banned moral way of life, and this is consequences.

FortWayne says

I 100% blame all of this on liberals, they've banned moral way of life, and this is consequences.

I blame Liberals because they think Nurse Ratched runs every Mental Hospital and nobody should be forcibly hospitalized by the State, until they kill enough people.

FortWayne says

CajunSteve says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Dumbassery on so many levels.

This is dumbassery Monday Morning Quarterbacking.

Yes, we can spend a zillion dollars and put armed guards at every entrance and exit 24 hours a day, or we can simply make it impossible for mentally deranged kids to get assault weapons.

Mentally ill can't get guns already in many states. The bigger problem is the ban of Christianity in schools, you ban god, you leave it up to the children to figure out their own morality, and they don't all turn into angels like liberal media movies thinks they do.

I 100% blame all of this on liberals, they've banned moral way of life, and this is consequences.

Yup the Founding Fathers hated America when they banned religion from government.

The Christians have been doing Gods Work by shitting on thr Constitution in the biggest SJW hissy fit in all of history, in order to restore sanity by sending gangs of unionized armed simpletons into the homes of innocent Americans to shoot them all dead if there was any chance they might have been medicating with Cannabis.

It’s not as if the Christian Republican Failed War on Drugs hasn’t wasted important LEO time where they could be working with communities to solve actual crimes, rather than working for Big Pharma to secure their profits

Lol- all you talking about needing a security guard when you don't even want to pay for the teachers in the first place how we going to pay for security guards?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

FortWayne says

I 100% blame all of this on liberals, they've banned moral way of life, and this is consequences.

I blame Liberals because they think Nurse Ratched runs every Mental Hospital and nobody should be forcibly hospitalized by the State, until they kill enough people.

I didn't know Reagan was a liberal?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Yeah, the state can afford tens of thousands of $50k-250k janitors, nurses, admins and Teachers, but the cost of a 3-4 FTE $30k/year security guards at a 3100+ student campus would cost "ZILLIONS!!!"

Actually most states can't really afford it. And if you want a security guard that would be competent, it's going to cost a lot more than $30K/year.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Yet almost every hospital requires visitors to show ID and wear a photo ID badge these days, any schmuck can drive right onto a K-12 campus and walk in the door without the least interaction with a security obstacle.

That's just not true. Please don't misrepresent the truth--it makes solving the problem impossible. Unless you're running for office, it does no good. Pretty much every school is locked during the day.

Hospitals don't have their entire population of patients entering and exiting at the same time, with family members for each coming to visit at exactly the same time every day. It's apples and oranges.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

What's your plan to restrict firearms from mentally deranged kids, when 39 encounters with LEOs, plus expulsion from public school, said he heard demons in his head, posted promises of violence online, and notification to the FBI of specific threats days prior to the incident, where the kid expressed a specific desire to shoot up a school did not result in any preventative act, such as forcible hospitalization.

First off--ban weapons whose sole purpose is mass killing. Second--Anyone taking any medication for mental illness cannot get a gun. Third--require a medical exam for a gun permit. Not to mention tightening up background checks and closing loopholes such as the gun show sales

If you want to have a real discussion about how to stop more of these shootings, I'm game.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Killing intruders, deer, and target shooting as well.

It's like saying cars should be banned because their only purpose is to run over people.

If someone needs an AR-15 to hunt deer, they should probably get a new hobby.

Let's get real here.

Should anti-depressant prescription disqualify you from gun ownership?

The Liberal ignorance, it's astounding!!

LeonDurham says

First off--ban weapons whose sole purpose is mass killing.

Please define "sole purpose". Every weapon made today has multiple purposes.

LeonDurham says

Second--Anyone taking any medication for mental illness cannot get a gun.

So, if someone needs to take medication for a short while trying to get over the depression of losing their wife, they shouldn't be able to own a gun.

LeonDurham says

Third--require a medical exam for a gun permit.

What medical conditions would preclude getting a permit. Who decides what's an applicable medical condition?

LeonDurham says

Not to mention tightening up background checks

What needs to be tightened up? Have you actually read a 4473 form yet?

LeonDurham says

closing loopholes such as the gun show sales

How many of these past mass killers bought their weapon at a gun show?

LeonDurham says

If someone needs an AR-15 to hunt deer, they should probably get a new hobby.

You can't use a AR-15 to hunt deer, it's not powerful enough. An AR-15 shoots a bullet approximately the same size as a 22. There are MANY more powerful rifles used for hunting. AR-15s aren't one of them.

Please educate yourself so you can stop showing such amazing ignorance on this subject matter. Parroting the NON FACTUAL Liberal MSM narrative is really pathetic.

LeonDurham says

Let's get real here.

I truly wish that would happen, these nonsensical posts are embarrasing.

errc says

50 years of unrealized labor potential

A similar calculation could be made about abortion. How about the roughly 44 million lost since 1973, not to mention their potential offspring and the intellectual potential thrown down the drain? How do we know we didn't throw away the cure for cancer somewhere along the way? Frankly, I don't think cancer will ever be cured, there are too many kinds but it is worth pondering.

LeonDurham says

Actually most states can't really afford it. And if you want a security guard that would be competent, it's going to cost a lot more than $30K/year.

Actually, there have been MANY retired LEO's and military veterans who have volunteered (for free) to guard schools, but the Liberal controlled school boards won't allow that.

Also, most school costs are paid on the local level, through taxes.

LeonDurham says

Actually most states can't really afford it. And if you want a security guard that would be competent, it's going to cost a lot more than $30K/year.

Rubbish. How much do you think a Security Guard makes? Say, one at a hospital who mans a desk and issues visitor badges?

LeonDurham says

That's just not true. Please don't misrepresent the truth--it makes solving the problem impossible. Unless you're running for office, it does no good. Pretty much every school is locked during the day.

It was true in this case. What barrier did Cruz encounter that required him to identify himself before proceeding further into the building?

LeonDurham says

Hospitals don't have their entire population of patients entering and exiting at the same time, with family members for each coming to visit at exactly the same time every day. It's apples and oranges.

Not at all. Like I said, go to any private or government office of any size, and they have the bulk of people arriving at 9AM and leaving at 5PM, and yet they still have security checkpoints. Hospitals have shifts also, with a number of employees coming and going at set times, and they tend to discharge patients around the same time each day. Facilities with 3100+ people have badge checks and areas beyond which you cannot proceed, regardless of most of the employees coming or going at the same time.

LeonDurham says

First off--ban weapons whose sole purpose is mass killing. Second--Anyone taking any medication for mental illness cannot get a gun. Third--require a medical exam for a gun permit. Not to mention tightening up background checks and closing loopholes such as the gun show sales

I think we should try having rudimentary security at schools first. The more frequent problem is perverts, non-custodial parents, etc. are far more frequent issues for schools than mass shooters. Having a security checkpoint prevents a host of issues, all without restricting anybody's rights.

It's funny you say a handful of security guards are too expensive, but requiring medical exams or tightened background checks for tens of millions of gunowners wouldn't be. Who is going to look at those medical exams and do more background checks? That's right, more government clerks, who are going to make more than Security Guards would, and won't provide any other security benefits to students.

LeonDurham says

If you want to have a real discussion about how to stop more of these shootings, I'm game.

We are having one. Broward and the Gun Banners are saying a 3100+ campus with a single security guard or checkpoint = "Did everything possible" when it didn't.

There was NO Security

And let's also talk about forcible hospitalization.

39 encounters with LEOs. Expulsion from School for violent behavior. Made death threats. Authorities alerted to social media posts where he proclaimed he'd be a pro school shooter. Bragged about torturing animals.

... and yet he wasn't forcibly hospitalized with these abundant and repeated Major Red Flags.

"Here's an idea; let's not forcibly hospitalize crazy kids who make repeated violent threats and exhibit a litany of red flag behaviors, that would be an imposition on FREEDOM and HUMAN RIGHTS! instead, let's restrict Gun Rights for the entire population."

LeonDurham says

weapons whose sole purpose is mass killing

There are many personal defense scenarios wherein the AK47 is the ideal weapon of defense. That's why its popular.

Id rather have a baby shotgun in my room, but I wake up dreary eyed and don't want to aim.

anon_4480e says

There are many personal defense scenarios wherein the AK47 is the ideal weapon of defense. That's why its popular.

OK, outside of John Wick, please describe those scenarios.

Sniper says

Please define "sole purpose". Every weapon made today has multiple purposes.

OK great. Please describe what one would need an AR-15 where other firearms would not work. Nobody is talking about banning all firearms.

Sniper says

So, if someone needs to take medication for a short while trying to get over the depression of losing their wife, they shouldn't be able to own a gun.

Yes--that is what I think.

Sniper says

What medical conditions would preclude getting a permit. Who decides what's an applicable medical condition?

I don't know--let's discuss and look at the data.

Sniper says

How many of these past mass killers bought their weapon at a gun show?

Who cares? Do you or don't you think gun show sales should follow the same procedures as any other gun sale?

Sniper says

You can't use a AR-15 to hunt deer, it's not powerful enough. An AR-15 shoots a bullet approximately the same size as a 22. There are MANY more powerful rifles used for hunting. AR-15s aren't one of them.

Talk to McGee---he said it was for hunting.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Not at all. Like I said, go to any private or government office of any size, and they have the bulk of people arriving at 9AM and leaving at 5PM, and yet they still have security checkpoints.

And they have automatic badges. Everyone doesn't check in with a security guard.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Not at all. Like I said, go to any private or government office of any size, and they have the bulk of people arriving at 9AM and leaving at 5PM, and yet they still have security checkpoints.

And they have automatic badges. Everyone doesn't check in with a security guard.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

We are having one. Broward and the Gun Banners are saying a 3100+ campus with a single security guard or checkpoint = "Did everything possible" when it didn't.

There was NO Security

Except that's a bald faced lie. Its no use discussing this with someone who persists is lying. Obviously you don't want to discuss this rationally.

There ABSOLULTELY was security. The school was locked down. The shooter knew the school's routine because he was a former student so he knew a way to subvert the security.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

"Here's an idea; let's not forcibly hospitalize crazy kids who make repeated violent threats and exhibit a litany of red flag behaviors, that would be an imposition on FREEDOM and HUMAN RIGHTS! instead, let's restrict Gun Rights for the entire population."

Or let's stop false choices and do both!! I think as Americans we can actually do 2 things at once!!!!!!!

Most difficult and large problems have multiple causes and require multiple solutions.

Can we stop pretending that if one proposed solution doesn't solve the entire problem that its not worth doing??

LeonDurham says

Can we stop pretending that if one proposed solution doesn't solve the entire problem that its not worth doing??

I've been asking for SPECIFIC solutions, but all I've seen are generic Liberal MSM anti-gun talking points.

Why is that?

LeonDurham says

Can we stop pretending...

..where the real problem lies in these shootings:



How many other shootings took place after people knew the shooter was trouble and did nothing?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

LeonDurham says

If you want to have a real discussion about how to stop more of these shootings, I'm game.

We are having one. Broward

What are the odds?

Sniper says

I've been asking for SPECIFIC solutions, but all I've seen are generic Liberal MSM anti-gun talking points.

Why is that?

There are several solutions posted on here.

They're talking points because they are good and deserve to be discussed.

LeonDurham says

They're talking points because...

...that's all the Liberals have. Talking points but no solid workable realistic solutions.

Typical.

anon_cf6c6 says

How many other shootings took place after people knew the shooter was trouble and did nothing?

It's missing a final square: Blame Guns!

anon_cf6c6 says

Talking points but no solid workable realistic solutions.

It's not practical to require background checks at gun shows?

It's not practical to keep mentally ill people from getting guns?

Somehow other countries can do it.

Why are you repeating the same crap, over and over, when it's already been answered multiple times?

LeonDurham says

It's not practical to require background checks at gun shows?

Gun show background checks go on ALL the time. Just stop with the BS Liberal talking point.

LeonDurham says

It's not practical to keep mentally ill people from getting guns?

Ahh, geez, another one.... Go read the Federal 4473 transaction form. This has been repeated over and over, yet you're still repost the same BS.

Why?

Tatty/Joey/happygilmore/cajunsteve/LeonDurham, it can only be one thing, you're just trolling at this point.

Government should not dictate needs.

LeonDurham says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Killing intruders, deer, and target shooting as well.

It's like saying cars should be banned because their only purpose is to run over people.

If someone needs an AR-15 to hunt deer, they should probably get a new hobby.

Let's get real here.

Deer are fast.
Myopia is real.
Libbies need to stop dictating the terms of their surrender...

LeonDurham says

If someone needs an AR-15 to hunt deer, they should probably get a new hobby.

Sniper says

Gun show background checks go on ALL the time.

So that's why it's called the gun show loophole. Because gun show background check go on ALL the time. I'm so glad that point was cleared up. ROFLOL.

Even if gun retards were to be intellectually honest for a nanosecond they'd admit that no ban on 2A rights is worth saving the lives of children. Here's the thought experiment:

If a BAN on some firearms led to an absolute eradication of mass killings in America would you or would you not vote against it? See, they'll either beg the question, like Cucked Cunts or they'll run away and resume the stupid argument that perfection is necessary. OK, Cunt Cucks: prison sentences don't stop bank robbery, therefore MAKE BANK ROBBERY LEGAL.

Morons.

anon_46fb4 says

Even if gun retards were to be intellectually honest for a nanosecond they'd admit that no ban on 2A rights is worth saving the lives of children. Here's the thought experiment:

If a BAN on some firearms led to an absolute eradication of mass killings in America would you or would you not vote against it? See, they'll either beg the question, like Cucked Cunts or they'll run away and resume the stupid argument that perfection is necessary. OK, Cunt Cucks: prison sentences don't stop bank robbery, therefore MAKE BANK ROBBERY LEGAL.

Morons.

The real morons are the idiots who create straw man hypotheticals that distorts the facts. The facts are Guns don't kill. Some people are killers. Here's a thought experiment, if putting all murderers to death eradicated murder, would you execute the murderers or let them live?

anon_46fb4 says

If a BAN on some firearms led to an absolute eradication of mass killings in America would you or would you not vote against it? See, they'll either beg the question, like Cucked Cunts or they'll run away and resume the stupid argument that perfection is necessary. OK, Cunt Cucks: prison sentences don't stop bank robbery, therefore MAKE BANK ROBBERY LEGAL.

Is that English?

bob2356 says

So that's why it's called the gun show loophole.

A gun show "loophole" is another one of those Libbie, made up terms, just like "assault weapons". A FAKE term used to fire up their base with inaccurate facts.

Can you please post a link to any of the current firearm manufacturers site showing the page with the "Assault Weapon" model? I'd like to buy one.

LeonDurham says

And they have automatic badges. Everyone doesn't check in with a security guard.

But if you don't have a badge, the guard doesn't let you pass. And insists you get a visitor badge or register a book or otherwise identify yourself. C'mon, this is obtuse now.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

But if you don't have a badge, the guard doesn't let you pass. And insists you get a visitor badge or register a book or otherwise identify yourself. C'mon, this is obtuse now.

Agreed. It is obtuse. Are you going to give every parent a badge then? And every kid?