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Illegals are running scared because of Trump. I use one amazing handyman, but he flatly refused to go up to Orange County because he would have to go past a Border Checkpoint in San Clemente on the fwy 5.

Patrick says

Several California cities are planning to defy Jerry Brown's "Sanctuary City" laws, following Monday's decision by the quiet Orange County town of Los Alamitos to disregard several state-wide statutes preventing, among other things, cooperation between local law enforcement and federal immigration authorities.

Excellent. States can't compel anybody not to cooperate with the Federal Government.

I live near Los Al and had a business in the neighboring city for a few years.

This place is an island of whiteness in Los Angeles' sea of diversity. It's chock full of soccer moms drifting their stick family Audi into your lane as they apply makeup while balancing a complicated Starbucks beverage in their yoga pantsed legs. Also senior citizens driving 350hp Lexuses 25mph slower than the rest of traffic, and taking for goddamn ever to complete a right turn into the deli parking lot at 4:00pm. They all tend to be vocally Republican even in the face of it working against their interests, like the teacher I dated briefly who gloated over Trump's victory, then days later expressed alarm at his professed love of charter schools.

They're quite vocal about their negative view of Mexicans, yet when you drive around town, you never see a white gardener, construction worker, busboy, or housekeeper. They also have no problem hiring Mexican day laborers from the Home Depot parking lot on Chapman. They won't pay anyone a penny above rock bottom to work on their $850,000 single family residences.

This news doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

I know many folks from Orange County.

Most are middle class, god loving, American patriots. They don’t live extravagant lifestyles, many are builders and engineers and so forth.

You are just looking at few and ignoring the rest of people who live there. And for the record, we have all of that in LA too. Just la also comes with hobos, ghetto riots and homosexuals. Liberals are literally ruining Los Angeles.


Automan Empire says

I live near Los Al and had a business in the neighboring city for a few years.

This place is an island of whiteness in Los Angeles' sea of diversity. It's chock full of soccer moms drifting their stick family Audi into your lane as they apply makeup while balancing a complicated Starbucks beverage in their yoga pantsed legs. Also senior citizens driving 350hp Lexuses 25mph slower than the rest of traffic, and taking for goddamn ever to complete a right turn into the deli parking lot at 4:00pm. They all tend to be vocally Republican even in the face of it working against their interests, like the teacher I dated briefly who gloated over Trump's victory, then days later expressed alarm at his professed love of charter schools.

They're quite vocal about their negative view of Mexicans, yet when you drive around town, you never see a white gardener, construction worker, busboy, or housekeeper. They also have no problem hiring Mexican day laborers from the Home Depot ...

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Patrick says

Several California cities are planning to defy Jerry Brown's "Sanctuary City" laws, following Monday's decision by the quiet Orange County town of Los Alamitos to disregard several state-wide statutes preventing, among other things, cooperation between local law enforcement and federal immigration authorities.

Excellent. States can't compel anybody not to cooperate with the Federal Government.

That’s fine and all but in the meantime there’s a very simple workaround, no?

Why not just get a warrant and shove it down their throats?

Automan Empire says

They're quite vocal about their negative view of Mexicans, yet when you drive around town, you never see a white gardener, construction worker, busboy, or housekeeper. They also have no problem hiring Mexican day laborers from the Home Depot parking lot on Chapman. They won't pay anyone a penny above rock bottom to work on their $850,000 single family residences.

Maslow's Hierarchy, man. Maslow's Hierarchy. After people get some money and establish professional credentials, the next thing they want to do is gain moral superiority over others. Often blind to their own hypocrisy.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Excellent. States can't compel anybody not to cooperate with the Federal Government.

I think it's more an issue of hierarchy. The smaller the entity, the greater the authority to decide their own path. Feds have the least authority, states more, cities even more, and individuals most. I fully support cities rights to make their own rules.

NuttBoxer says

I fully support cities rights to make their own rules.

No, we have a division of powers. Cities have no authority over immigration, none. Neither do States. Just like cities and states can't have their own tariffs or make their own foreign policy.

Now, they can choose not to voluntarily cooperate, but they can't compel residents - who are also Federal US Citizens - not to cooperate with the Federal Government or face punishment. That's totally unconstitutional and would throw the country into Anarchy.

Consider:
"NY City will fine anybody who cooperates with Federal Government in White Collar Crimes $10,000, unless they first receive a warrant or subpeona or other writ. You cannot call in a tip to the FBI or Federal AG office, or answer ANY federal agent questions without it. Hizonnah hath spoken!"

That's what Calhoun Brown in doing in California, except with immigration status.

Trump, Left. Calhoun, Right.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

NuttBoxer says

I fully support cities rights to make their own rules.

No, we have a division of powers. Cities have no authority over immigration, none. Neither do States. Just like cities and states can't have their own tariffs or make their own foreign policy.

Now, they can choose not to voluntarily cooperate, but they can't compel residents - who are also Federal US Citizens - not to cooperate with the Federal Government or face punishment. That's totally unconstitutional and would throw the country into Anarchy.

Consider:
"NY City will fine anybody who cooperates with Federal Government in White Collar Crimes $10,000, unless they first receive a warrant or subpeona or other writ. You cannot call in a tip to the FBI or Federal AG office, or answer ANY federal agent questions without it. Hizonnah hath spoken!"

That's what Calhoun Brown in doing in California, excep...

Have any fines been levied?

I would think that a not guilty plea would get the fine tossed in court

Also, if they suspect a crime has been committed, why not follow normal procedures in our justice system and get a warrant?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Cities have no authority over immigration, none. Neither do States.

Not true. The 10th Amendment was the first, and continues to be one of the most violated sections of the Constitution.

"The rules of immigration were reserved to the States through the 10th Amendment until the first Federal law was enacted in 1875. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled the following year that immigration regulation was an exclusive Federal responsibility."
https://www.theamericanview.com/constitution-course-supplemental-assignments/what-authority-does-the-u-s-constitution-give-the-federal-government-regarding-immigration/

If we continue to allow the Feds to seize authority they don't have, the logical end is a totalitarian regime. Is that really what you want to advocate for?

FortWayne says

I know many folks from Orange County.

Most are middle class, god loving, American patriots. They don’t live extravagant lifestyles, many are builders and engineers and so forth.

You are just looking at few and ignoring the rest of people who live there. And for the record, we have all of that in LA too. Just la also comes with hobos, ghetto riots and homosexuals.


Your general platitudes < my years of experience being in this exact city and the neighboring ones.

Liberals are literally ruining Los Angeles.

You can't leave a comment without some broad generalized anti-liberal claim, can you?

Strategist says

Illegals are running scared because of Trump. I use one amazing handyman, but he flatly refused to go up to Orange County because he would have to go past a Border Checkpoint in San Clemente on the fwy 5.

Now that you know he's illegal, will you fire him?

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Strategist says

Illegals are running scared because of Trump. I use one amazing handyman, but he flatly refused to go up to Orange County because he would have to go past a Border Checkpoint in San Clemente on the fwy 5.

Now that you know he's illegal, will you fire him?

Very good question.
Here is the real scenario to compare. Within the last 8 months and every bit accurate:

1. American Handyman.
Very good at what he does.
Came on time.
Charged me $50.00 per hour. $425.00 for 8.5 hours.
Talked too much. Not very fast. Wasted some time. Even charged me for his lunch break.

2. Mexican illegal.
Very good at what he does.
Always late.
Charged me $15.00 per hour.
Went to work right away. Very fast.

I ask you all.......Who should I hire???

Strategist says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Strategist says

Illegals are running scared because of Trump. I use one amazing handyman, but he flatly refused to go up to Orange County because he would have to go past a Border Checkpoint in San Clemente on the fwy 5.

Now that you know he's illegal, will you fire him?

Very good question.
Here is the real scenario to compare. Within the last 8 months and every bit accurate:

1. American Handyman.
Very good at what he does.
Came on time.
Charged me $50.00 per hour. $425.00 for 8.5 hours.
Talked too much. Not very fast. Wasted some time. Even charged me for his lunch break.

2. Mexican illegal.
Very good at what he does.
Always late.
Charged me $15.00 per hour.
Went to work right away. Very fast.

I ask you all.......Who should I hire???

So you're ok with people breaking the law as long as it benefits you financially?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/chrisreeves/2018/03/21/california-local-governments-preparing-to-challenge-sacramento-over-sanctuary-sta-n2463441

Political rebellion is brewing in Southern California over the state’s official sanctuary policies. On Monday, the Los Alamitos City Council voted in favor of an ordinance that would allow local officials and police to abide by the Constitution and help federal immigration enforcement officials to detain and deport illegal aliens.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California (ACLU SoCal) has already made clear that it will help sue the small city of fewer than 12,000 residents if it does not comply with California state law

Automan Empire says

I live near Los Al and had a business in the neighboring city for a few years.

This place is an island of whiteness in Los Angeles' sea of diversity. ...

I’m sure this news comes as an absolute shock to the 41% of Los Alamitos population that is not white, including 21% Latino and 13% Asian. You sure you’re not projecting?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alamitos,_California
The 2010 United States Census[13] reported that Los Alamitos had a population of 11,449. The population density was 2,781.8 people per square mile (1,074.1/km²). The racial makeup of Los Alamitos was 8,131 (71.0%) White (58.7% Non-Hispanic White),[14] 324 (2.8%) African American, 51 (0.4%) Native American, 1,471 (12.8%) Asian, 50 (0.4%) Pacific Islander, 726 (6.3%) from other races, and 696 (6.1%) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2,418 persons (21.1%).

RafiMaas says

www.youtube.com/embed/jAhXoZd_sAM

Oh noes, the law enforcement accidentally stopped the wrong person. Whatevah shall we do?

Say hello to California's SSI, for when your legal status has been rejected by the Federal Government.

To get cash assistance from CAPI, you have to meet certain requirements. Most importantly, you have to be an aged, blind, or disabled California resident who has been denied SSI because of your immigration status. You also have to meet other requirements about your income, assets, and living arrangements. You can apply for CAPI at your county social services agency. Once you qualify, CAPI generally pays about the same benefit that you would receive if you could get SSI.

https://ca.db101.org/ca/programs/income_support/capi/program.htm

In other words, the kids signed an agreement with ICE that their Aged relative who never worked a day in the USA could be brought over only by signing away Federal Benefits. But don't worry, California will pay instead.

California's infrastructure is brand new, there's a surplus of affordable housing, and the schools are tops, so California has money for blind elderly Immigrants who never worked a day or paid a dime in payroll or income taxes.

Wonder why your taxes are high? You're not just paying for Juan's wife and kids, but also Grandma Mai, brought over from wealthy Taiwan by her dual 6 figure income son and his wife, who can more than pay her way.

In the city, of high taxes
In the city, illegals relaxes
California, no doubt about it.

I have heard of several "immigrants" on welfare, who have multiple properties they maintain in their countries of origin. They sop up every form of public assistance they can get away with. It's a racket.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Very good question.
Here is the real scenario to compare. Within the last 8 months and every bit accurate:

1. American Handyman.
Very good at what he does.
Came on time.
Charged me $50.00 per hour. $425.00 for 8.5 hours.
Talked too much. Not very fast. Wasted some time. Even charged me for his lunch break.

2. Mexican illegal.
Very good at what he does.
Always late.
Charged me $15.00 per hour.
Went to work right away. Very fast.

I ask you all.......Who should I hire???

So you're ok with people breaking the law as long as it benefits you financially?

They are both breaking the law because they are taking cash and not paying taxes on them. But you mean breaking immigration laws. Hard working people even if they break immigration laws does not bother me like the violent criminals who break immigration laws. Actually, even criminals who are legal bothers me more than hard working illegals.

Folks, look up your local Legal Aid society.

I looked it up for Mass a while back.

You'd be shocked at how many state programs don't require ANY verification of legal status for Money, Food Stamps, Medical Care, etc.

And YOUR taxpayer dollars often fund these "NGOs" to help illegals scam your tax dollars.

I was in Los Alamitos shopping area last night. Took my family out to eat at the Islands there, and split an excellent burger and salad with my wife. It’s a really nice, safe place to shop and eat out, and we go there a lot. Sure, there are far too many senior citizens driving slowly, but the soccer moms aren’t that bad and the worst drivers are of course Asian women. It definitely has a snooty vibe to the school system. If your kid isn’t perfect, they’ll get booted to another system.

I live next door in the WGG about two miles away. It’s a bit more diverse, more latins and Asians mostly. But the school system is just as good or better than Los Al, and the vibe is positive not snooty. We are also about $150k cheaper on the housing so more working class people and less investing class/retired people. My kids are friends with Asian kids, white kids, Latino kids, black kids, and even a Persian kid. We live in an extremely diverse neighborhood, which east GG is not. That is mostly all Latino so the vibe is once again different. I’m sure they also love their kids, but I don’t want my kids to grow up in a monoculture, especially when it differs from their own family.

RafiMaas says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Strategist says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Strategist says

Illegals are running scared because of Trump. I use one amazing handyman, but he flatly refused to go up to Orange County because he would have to go past a Border Checkpoint in San Clemente on the fwy 5.

Now that you know he's illegal, will you fire him?

Very good question.
Here is the real scenario to compare. Within the last 8 months and every bit accurate:

1. American Handyman.
Very good at what he does.
Came on time.
Charged me $50.00 per hour. $425.00 for 8.5 hours.
Talked too much. Not very fast. Wasted some time. Even charged me for his lunch break.

2. Me...

Personally, I’ll pay more for fruit and veggies and pass on the gangs, crimes, and murders that illegal aliens are responsible for.

That’s a good point Rafi. Not many will do backbreaking work for low wages except those without many options. I’d like to see what happens if welfare-to-work included farm jobs with housing provided. We could spend a bit more on produce to make it a reality, but the drop in crime alone would be worth it.

The reason I oppose the sanctuary state law is because it’s a get out of jail free card for illegals. Literally, they’ll release a felon without a trial or bail as long as he’s wanted by ICE. That just puts offenders back in the community and gives them LICENSE to continue to commit small felonies that make us less safe and our property less secure.

RafiMaas says

In 2010, 11 and 2012 A peach farmer, C. Carr, advertised 2000 jobs @ $9.39 $2 more than minimum wage. Only 438 US applicants were hired. 109 didn't show up on first day and only 31 made it through a whole season.

$9.39?!?!?! To pick peaches all day in the hot sun?

What does Walmart or Starbucks pay? About $10/hr, to work in the air conditioning only 8 hours. Up your wages to compete in the Free Labor Market!

Farming is a business, not a Charity, not the Holy Helpers of Saint Landowner. Can't find help? Pay more. Treat the employees better.

There is no human right to cheap labor.

If Vinnie's Pizza can't find help for $9.39/hr to work in the hot kitchen chopping garlic, Vinnie has to raise his wages to attract employees. He shouldn't say "Oh Government, let me bring in 5 wetbacks"

Expensive Labor is why the West rules the world. It's the secret of our success. it's why we industrialized and rationalized production before anybody else.

errc says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

NuttBoxer says

I fully support cities rights to make their own rules.

No, we have a division of powers. Cities have no authority over immigration, none. Neither do States. Just like cities and states can't have their own tariffs or make their own foreign policy.

Now, they can choose not to voluntarily cooperate, but they can't compel residents - who are also Federal US Citizens - not to cooperate with the Federal Government or face punishment. That's totally unconstitutional and would throw the country into Anarchy.

Consider:
"NY City will fine anybody who cooperates with Federal Government in White Collar Crimes $10,000, unless they first receive a warrant or subpeona or other writ. You cannot call in a tip to the FBI or Federal AG office, or answer ANY federal agent questions wit...

Hey tlips i think you missed this

Quigley says

I was in Los Alamitos shopping area last night. Took my family out to eat at the Islands there, and split an excellent burger and salad with my wife. It’s a really nice, safe place to shop and eat out, and we go there a lot. .

I don't deny it's a nice place, definitely more expensive than other places, but nice.

Definitely a snooty vibe in certain areas, and through interacting with many people there over the course of years, the anti-sanctuary sentiment doesn't surprise me at all. What I don't like about it is the suspicion that many people there who hate the sanctuary city policy are the type who would hire an illegal to clean their house, then at the end of a long shift send them outside to take out the trash then lock the door and ignore and not pay them.

As someone else mentioned upthread, I don't mind or classify hardworking honest "illegals" the same as criminals who victimize others regardless of their citizenship status. I believe the sanctuary policy is meant to make this exact distinction too. It annoys to hear people redefining it as "Liberals embracing and protecting rapists and murderers from the cops."

if they suspect a crime has been committed, why not follow normal procedures in our justice system and get a warrant?

———————

Does anyone know the answer?

I’ve asked so many times and nobody can answer.

RafiMaas says

It benefits us all. Does one like those fresh vegetables? Guess who picked them? Maybe 1 should not eat those fresh vegetables because there is a high possibility that illegal labor was involved

Illegal immigration costs every CA taxpayer about $3.5K yearly, IIRC. Fuck this "benefit". Gimme back my $3.5K, my wife's $3.5K, uncrowded schools and ERs and I'll gladly pay more for the fucking vegetables. Or, I'll pay the same (or less) for the fucking vegetables imported from Mexico, how 'bout that? And my water bill will go down to boot. I don't fucking see a single fucking downside in ending the illegal immigration.

Maybe some lazy fucks will have to get off their kister and mow their lawn once every two weeks. Or they'll just go back to hiring a neighbor's kid to do it for them. Again, where is the fucking downside?

Strategist says

Hard working people even if they break immigration laws does not bother me

So you're OK with California spending roughly 15% of state's budget on illegals as long as you get your $100 discount on plumbing job now an then?

Well, at least you're honest about your priorities.

RafiMaas says

In 2010, 11 and 2012 A peach farmer, C. Carr, advertised 2000 jobs @ $9.39 $2 more than minimum wage. Only 438 US applicants were hired. 109 didn't show up on first day and only 31 made it through a whole season.

Those were the years when unemployment was high. With low unemployment today, no one will make it through the whole season.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

RafiMaas says

It benefits us all. Does one like those fresh vegetables? Guess who picked them? Maybe 1 should not eat those fresh vegetables because there is a high possibility that illegal labor was involved

Illegal immigration costs every CA taxpayer about $3.5K yearly, IIRC. Fuck this "benefit". Gimme back my $3.5K, my wife's $3.5K, uncrowded schools and ERs and I'll gladly pay more for the fucking vegetables. Or, I'll pay the same (or less) for the fucking vegetables imported from Mexico, how 'bout that? And my water bill will go down to boot. I don't fucking see a single fucking downside in ending the illegal immigration.

Maybe some lazy fucks will have to get off their kister and mow their lawn once every two weeks. Or they'll just go back to hiring a neighbor's kid to do it for them. Again, where is the fucking downside?

We are all against furthering illegal immigration, but are stuck with the 12 million already here and working. Just build a wall, stop more from coming in, and let the illegals stay because until they die of old age, because no way we can deport 12 million people whose children are born here.
I don't see any other solution.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Strategist says

Hard working people even if they break immigration laws does not bother me

So you're OK with California spending roughly 15% of state's budget on illegals as long as you get your $100 discount on plumbing job now an then?

Well, at least you're honest about your priorities.

1. If the illegals don't work, crime and welfare goes up. I'm actually saving the state money.
2. Criminals cost us a lot more. I would rather solve that problem first and save a lot of money.

Strategist says

RafiMaas says

In 2010, 11 and 2012 A peach farmer, C. Carr, advertised 2000 jobs @ $9.39 $2 more than minimum wage. Only 438 US applicants were hired. 109 didn't show up on first day and only 31 made it through a whole season.

Those were the years when unemployment was high. With low unemployment today, no one will make it through the whole season.

Then create a guest worker program.

Strategist says

1. If the illegals don't work, crime and welfare goes up. I'm actually saving the state money.

Excuses, excuses.

errc says

if they suspect a crime has been committed, why not follow normal procedures in our justice system and get a warrant?

———————

Does anyone know the answer?

I’ve asked so many times and nobody can answer.

If they suspect a crime has been committed, why not follow normal procedures in our justice system and get a warrant?