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CBOEtrader says

mell says

Virtue-signaling and SJWism are fairly modern neurological diseases.

Virtue signaling is as old as society. Jonathon Haidt suggests ridiculous tribal religious beliefs are themselves an in group virtue signalling test. This allows group members to righteously declare their loyalty to the tribe, exactly as Patrick suggested Cathy Newman did. The more irrational, the larger the virtue signal.

Regarding SJW's, Jordan Peterson suggests that they are a poorly organized religion that was slapped together in the last 25 years. He believes religious affiliation to a group to be so intricately entwined into the human psyche that insane ideologies are a natural byproduct to fill the chasm left by rejection of traditional religions.

Like it or not, we are a tribal species. Religion is the core belief that binds a tribe. When religion is rejected, we see unsophisticated religious-li...

I don't believe these virtue-signals were sent when there was chance it could harm oneself, more likely the majority of them were sent to seek and get the protection from the tribe, no matter how bizarre. Sure there were exceptions, but the difference today is that you can virtue-signal from a place of almost absolute safety and go against your tribal close and loved ones without short-term repercussions.

mell says

more likely the majority of them were sent to seek and get the protection from the tribe, no matter how bizarre.

Exactly the way Haidt describes it.

mell says

and go against your tribal close and loved ones without short-term repercussions.

The sjw's dont consider people they are virtue signalling against to be their tribe, evern if it is their neighbor or family. They see others w shared beliefs as their tribe (like hollywood).

mell says

Virtue-signaling and SJWism are fairly modern neurological diseases.

SJW-type behavior is not new as well. Anti-alcohol campaigns of early 20th century seem quite similar to SJW's today.

This is one of most interesting threads lately on Patnet.

drB6 says

Anti-alcohol campaigns of early 20th century seem quite similar to SJW's today.

Right up with the demonization of men and celebration of women.

Nevermind that alcohol was the only 'painkiller' Men could afford and that 60+ hour weeks of backbreaking menial labor was the norm.

Patrick says

The key to seeing why otherwise rational people will brutally persecute any diversity of opinion, even about obvious facts, is given in the analysis:

This. At a university, even fairly moderate one, you will be tarred and feathered for expressing conservative viewpoints. Elections of student body presidents are rigged to get a more politically correct candidate. Basically, kids at the age where they absorb knowledge about world get exposed to one world view.

drB6 says

mell says

Virtue-signaling and SJWism are fairly modern neurological diseases.

SJW-type behavior is not new as well. Anti-alcohol campaigns of early 20th century seem quite similar to SJW's today.

This is one of most interesting threads lately on Patnet.

I don't think you can group anti-alcohol or anti-tobacco in the same category as anti-"he-uses-the-wrong-pronoun" or anti-"he-doesn't-want-a-diversity-rapefest" categories. At least there is real damage from drugs, and if it hits close to home the want to ban is understandable (even if it doesn't solve the issue). But point taken.

drB6 says

This is one of most interesting threads lately on Patnet.

You said somethin' there doc. Pat.net has always, for me, represented a "radical centrist" POV stretching going back to the housing bubble days. Personally, I think Patrick should declare himself Leader of the Bay Area Liberalists and expand the reach of his platform with the goal of protecting and promoting basic principles to realize a freer and demonstrably better society.
I should also note that both Haidt and Peterson promote the idea that viewpoint diversity is necessary in the quest for for truth, whether that is in the scientific or political realm. That is ultimately the danger of universities promoting only one point of view. You become so enamored with your ideology you lose the ability to critique it -- with the end result of using authoritarian structures to defend it. As Haidt has shown, at best, we have a crude intuition from which we attempt to "reason" within our limited cognitive framework. We need others to see what we can't.

Thank you @EBGuy I had not heard of Liberalism.

CBOEtrader says

The leftist who think white supremacists are at the core of trumps support

If they can blame Trump's election on "racism" then they can feel good about themselves.

If they see that Trump's election is actually a result of the mass export of jobs and mass import of illegals, and the fact that no one really liked Hillary, even on her own side, then they cannot feel good about themselves.

So they take the easy way out instead of feeling bad, which is natural.

rando says

If they see that Trump's election is actually a result of the mass export of jobs and mass import of illegals, and the fact that no one really liked Hillary, even on her own side, then they cannot feel good about themselves.

And that the policies they've loudly championed are rejected by the general populace for not actually working.

CBOEtrader says

This is the exact attitude the average german had towards gypsies and jews in Weimar Germany. The left today = Nazis of the 1930's.

I do think there is a scary point to be made in that the blame of all white people for "racism" is blame-by-genetics, exactly as it was for the Jews.

This is a typical first step in each genocide. De-humanization of a whole class of people just by their accident of birth.

rando says

I do think there is a scary point to be made in that the blame of all white people for "racism" is blame-by-genetics, exactly as it was for the Jews.

"Toxic Masculinity"
"Toxic Whiteness"
"Whiteness Oppression Studies"

Patrick says

Imagine how the same SJW crowd would react to these:

In the previous 60 years, pretty badly.

But now, the SJWs are coming up with an answer to the "Jewish Question":

LOL. Interesting "perspectives". pic.twitter.com/nKeDbjHesa— New Real Peer Review (@RealPeerReview) April 2, 2018

The Asians will be next to be included in Toxic "Whiteness", the Oppressor.

First they came for the Whites, then they came for the Jews. By the time they reached me, Dr Nguyen Van Thoc, MD, nobody was left...

But Seriously, as an Ashkenazi-Paddy-Viking-Russian Stooge, I always knew they were coming for me.

These 2 perspectives are (1) the extreme right (with neo-nazis), (2) the extreme left (with identity politics).
Because we all know there is no in-between. Choose your camp....

CBOEtrader says

I'm a liberal. I've never voted for a Republican. Ever. Not once. I didn't vote for trump though at this rate I will in 2020.

What a laugh. You certainly aren't a democrat, or you would be sensible enough to feel that there are plenty of democrats that are just as sensible, and just as conservative (in the true sense of the word) as you are, and as Peterson is.

CBOEtrader says

Any true liberal would speak out against this tyranny from the left, exactly as J Peterson does.

I do speak out against it. I hate it. But unlike you, I have a good sense of proportionality and would never generalize that all, or most or that even a truly significant minority of liberals are in the authoritarian left group, as you and others (like Patrick) seem to want to color all democrats as being on the authoritarian left.

CBOEtrader says

It happens on almost every university. Extreme leftism is the only allowed viewpoint in Hollywood, the MSM (minus Fox which is a joke unto itself), social media and now in K-18 schools as well.

Again this view is way out of proportion. And I hold as proof of this that you can't find any serious criticism of Jordan Peterson in the MSM, as his popularity continues to grow.

I had lunch the other day with an ex-student of mine, now a Math major at UCLA, he told me of a meme page that is very popular with UCLA students to chime in on, and he says there are so many memes "shitting on" (his words) gender studies majors that he has started to feel sorry for them (while he's never been a fan of them or identity politics in general).

Two points:

1) the SJW authoritarian left is so much smaller than you think it is, although not extremely insignificant, simply because a lot of average to below average intelligence minority students, buy in to it. Included would be sexual identity minorities. But the fear you voice of it turning into fascism is laughable. I know this becasue Los Angeles teens are a pretty damn good indicator, and a high majority don't buy in to the BS.

2) I agree with Jonathon Haidt (look in to his heterodox academy). There is a backlash. He predicts that over time some universities will position themselves as about being all about science, real scholarship, and legit fields of study. (see the Chicago statement on free speech) . Others will position themselves as all about social justice issues. Not that it will be exclusive, but that it's a marketplace, and that a lot of school will naturally evolve to be maybe not explicitly anti SJW, but wanting to have a reputation of not being about that, in order to improve their desirability and competitiveness.

What do you think ? That you're such special snow flakes, as if only you are so special that only you can see how messed up the SJW phenomenon on college campuses is ? Dude ! Everyone knows. The backlash is happening. Congratulations for being a small one of the millions of people that feel that way about it.

My guess is that way more than 70% of the population is opposed to that BS. While at the same time many not being totally opposed to social justice as a concept. Such as seeing police competence as a real issue.

Heraclitusstudent says

These 2 perspectives are (1) the extreme right (with neo-nazis), (2) the extreme left (with identity politics).
Because we all know there is no in-between. Choose your camp....

I'm in the middle group along with whatever it is, say 75% of the country.

What gives with people that aren't quite neo nazis, but they constantly want to talk about refreshing anit-political correctness, and they think that the identity politics SJW crowd includes the MSM and NPR and a scary out of control majority, that are just a week or two away from opening concentration camps for white men ?

IT looks like irrational fear of non-white folks to me. OF course a lot of non white folks are going have beliefs about white privilege. Yeah, it's racist. It's wrong. But it's also understandable that maybe this has to go in that direction a little further, before everyone agrees that its stupid. That is the idea that you can't be racist against people in the majority. The people with the majority of political and corporate and financial power.

marcus says

all democrats as being on the authoritarian left.

all democrats dont matter. what matters are those in power of societal institutions. universities, corporate america, our entire education system, social media firms, the msm, and hollywood are all righteously expressing an oppressive nazi-like agenda. fact.

marcus says

IT looks like fear of non-white folks to me.

thats the brainwashing speaking.

CBOEtrader says

and hollywood are all righteously expressing an oppressive nazi-like agenda. fact.

The very fact that you think this speaks volumes about how warped your perception is.

marcus says

My guess is that way more than 70% of the population is opposed to that BS. While at the same time not being totally opposed to social justice as a concept. Such as seeing police competence as e real issue.

OK, now we're getting somewhere.

Try this. Without agreeing or disagreeing, ask a classroom of your students to consider the fault of the black community in the police brutality debate. You could make zero points for or against, and express no opinions in any direction. You'd still be fired by the end of the week.

marcus says

I know this becasue Los Angeles teens are a pretty damn good indicator, and a high majority don't buy in to the BS.

I must admit, this is nice to hear!

CBOEtrader says

the police brutality debate

I'm not aware of a police brutality debate. Are you referring to people that have been unnecessarily shot and killed, not as part of a riot or crazy situation, but mostly becasue of trigger happy mistrained cops or cops that are too pussified to be cops and never should have been cops in the first place ? These incidents aren't only towed black citizens.

Are you talking about those cases ? I'm not aware of a police brutality debate. IF it is about the shootings, could you explain what the other side of that "debate" looks like ? THat is, the side that puts more blame on the african american community for the murder of those civilians.

EBGuy says

Still waiting for the New York Times bestseller list to acknowledge that Peterson's book even exists. That is the state of affairs these days

I bought it the other day on audiobook format. Have yet to give it a listen.
I’ll let you all know what I think!

Patrick says

Why does politics make us stupid?

our politics reflect our stupidity back at us.

That and the bribes.

CBOEtrader says

all democrats dont matter. what matters are those in power of societal institutions. universities, corporate america, our entire education system, social media firms, the msm, and hollywood are all righteously expressing an oppressive nazi-like agenda. fact.

And the Alt-Right controls NO institution, except maybe a table or two at the Springfield Prison Cafeteria.

marcus says

Patrick says

Why does politics make us stupid?

our politics reflect our stupidity back at us.

So that's it, I knew there was a reason.

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

the police brutality debate

I'm not aware of a police brutality debate.

Ah ok. You werent aware of BLM. Sounds reasonable considering you also weren't aware of the societal oppression of wrongthinkers.
www.youtube.com/embed/cfQj8f7WmME

Remember Lindsay Shepard? The young liberal professor who was oppressed for daring to play a Jordan Peterson video in her class as an opposing viewpoint?

As long as stuff like this is happening, the extreme left is a huge threat. The extreme right by comparison, is nonexistent yet the left is fixated on white supremacy. It's proof that propaganda works. The reasonable masses on the left are absolutely ignorant to the risks of the oppressive extreme left, because the oppression isn't aimed at their group...yet. wake up before this gets much much worse.

CBOEtrader says

As long as stuff like this is happening, the extreme left is a huge threat. The extreme right by comparison, is nonexistent yet the left is fixated on white supremacy. It's proof that propaganda works. The reasonable masses on the left are absolutely ignorant to the risks of the oppressive extreme left, because the oppression isn't aimed at their group...yet. wake up before this gets much much worse.

I don't think so. Go to the Rust Belt and they basically do not exist. Same for places like Atlanta. They aren't around. Trust me. I've been there.

My wife recorded Levin's hosting of Larry Arnn last week and there's way too much there to cover in a few lines but he did say there are big changes coming through which the cause of liberty will be preserved and extended. I can't help but wonder how the statists among us will handle that. Maybe we'll have that limited civil war Pat Buchanan talks so much about. The good guys will win but we'll pay a heavy price for it.

Admit your Privilege! Admit it! Admit your Class Sins, Kulak!

CBOEtrader says

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

the police brutality debate

I'm not aware of a police brutality debate.

Ah ok. You werent aware of BLM. Sounds reasonable considering you also weren't aware of the societal oppression of wrongthinkers.
www.youtube.com/embed/cfQj8f7WmME

Remember Lindsay Shepard? The young liberal professor who was oppressed for daring to play a Jordan Peterson video in her class as an opposing viewpoint?

What's with the see through blouse?

Divide and conquer is the goal of politics. It's why assholes like me fund and control the whole circus.