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2018 Apr 29, 1:35pm 13,163 views 61 comments
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bob2356
2018 Jul 31, 12:10am
socal2 says
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no specific federal statute that sanctuary cities violate no matter how much trump froths at the mouth about it. I know it's tough to accept but people have to violate a law to be arrested even democrats under trump.
My party is independent and I usually vote R. Not trump R though. The justice department which is who would be going after employers is under the executive branch which is the branch trump is in charge of. I'm surprised you don't know that. The laws against hiring illegals are on the books already. There is nothing preventing enforcement, least of all the democrats..
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa. If they had no job they would leave also. Duh.
We can't even arrest Democrat politicians that openly go against Federal immigration law with their goofy sanctuary city policies.
Once we get more Democrats out of Congress, we can get more serious about enforcement. Until then Bob - YOUR party is the biggest obstacle.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no specific federal statute that sanctuary cities violate no matter how much trump froths at the mouth about it. I know it's tough to accept but people have to violate a law to be arrested even democrats under trump.
My party is independent and I usually vote R. Not trump R though. The justice department which is who would be going after employers is under the executive branch which is the branch trump is in charge of. I'm surprised you don't know that. The laws against hiring illegals are on the books already. There is nothing preventing enforcement, least of all the democrats..
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa. If they had no job they would leave also. Duh.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 31, 7:58am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 31, 7:58am
bob2356 says
Are they MS13 members and drug mules or dealers too?
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa.
Are they MS13 members and drug mules or dealers too?
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 31, 8:55am
Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 31, 8:55am
bob2356 says
I remember when Bush Sr. was in office our neighbor was an Israeli who owned a Flee Market schmatha business. He had a few friends from Israel come over to help him. They came on a visitors Visa. Our government didn't fuck over Americans back then with Foreign Work visas to put Americans out of work. They just off shored the work.
Barazani was a cool guy, likable but after about 6 months past his Visa expiration. The INS(the old ICE) first started sending letters, then came looking for him. One Day Doran came home from the Flea Market and said Barazani was nabbed at work and deported.
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa. If they had no job they would leave also. Duh.
I remember when Bush Sr. was in office our neighbor was an Israeli who owned a Flee Market schmatha business. He had a few friends from Israel come over to help him. They came on a visitors Visa. Our government didn't fuck over Americans back then with Foreign Work visas to put Americans out of work. They just off shored the work.
Barazani was a cool guy, likable but after about 6 months past his Visa expiration. The INS(the old ICE) first started sending letters, then came looking for him. One Day Doran came home from the Flea Market and said Barazani was nabbed at work and deported.
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Y
2018 Jul 31, 8:56am
Y
2018 Jul 31, 8:56am
It'll keep them in for prosecutorial purposes...
bob2356 says
bob2356 says
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa.
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 31, 8:58am
Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 31, 8:58am
Also remember that Jerry Seinfeld episode where Apu was deported? Before Bush Jr. and especially Obama we used to deport illegal aliens.
I remember when Chrome detention center in Miami was used to house illegal aliens that got pulled over by the police in traffic. If it was determined they were here illegally they would get hauled off to Chrome and deported about a month later.
I remember when Chrome detention center in Miami was used to house illegal aliens that got pulled over by the police in traffic. If it was determined they were here illegally they would get hauled off to Chrome and deported about a month later.
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Goran_K
2018 Jul 31, 3:30pm
Goran_K
2018 Jul 31, 3:30pm
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself.
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ForcedTQ
2018 Jul 31, 5:03pm
Goran_K says
And think of the numbers in housing that might become available. Granted it's not prime choice, but rent $ for the bottom 1/3rd might become more affordable again....
Yeah, you will loose your maid, gardener, carpenter, plumber / handyman. If they're illegally here. Get over it, do it yourself or pay for it.
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself.
And think of the numbers in housing that might become available. Granted it's not prime choice, but rent $ for the bottom 1/3rd might become more affordable again....
Yeah, you will loose your maid, gardener, carpenter, plumber / handyman. If they're illegally here. Get over it, do it yourself or pay for it.
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FortWayne
2018 Jul 31, 5:13pm
FortWayne
2018 Jul 31, 5:13pm
Less cheap labor for left to hire, while replacing Americans. That’s the reason, which left will forever deny.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 31, 5:18pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 31, 5:18pm
ForcedTQ says
It'll be great for soyboys to get a copy of Time Life Home Repair.
"Clogged Sink. This is Draino."
"OMG, that sooooo looks like a dangerous chemical."
"Pour it down the sink."
"Don't I need a gas mask?"
Yeah, you will loose your maid, gardener, carpenter, plumber / handyman. If they're illegally here. Get over it, do it yourself or pay for it.
It'll be great for soyboys to get a copy of Time Life Home Repair.
"Clogged Sink. This is Draino."
"OMG, that sooooo looks like a dangerous chemical."
"Pour it down the sink."
"Don't I need a gas mask?"
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 31, 5:32pm
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 31, 5:32pm
bob2356 says
Where is this number coming from?
about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa
Where is this number coming from?
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 31, 6:02pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 31, 6:02pm
Hassan_Rouhani says
From his.... oh, nevermind...
Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.
bob2356 saysabout the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa
Where is this number coming from?
From his.... oh, nevermind...
Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.
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BayArea
2018 Jul 31, 7:16pm
BayArea
2018 Jul 31, 7:16pm
I find that wall opposers typically fall into one of two categories:
a.) They plain and simple don’t believe there should be borders. They believe that people should’ve able to roam freely anytime anyplace.
b.) They’ve seen one too many liberal late night talk shows that say that a wall won’t keep everyone out. And because it won’t keep everyone out, it would be a failure.
a.) They plain and simple don’t believe there should be borders. They believe that people should’ve able to roam freely anytime anyplace.
b.) They’ve seen one too many liberal late night talk shows that say that a wall won’t keep everyone out. And because it won’t keep everyone out, it would be a failure.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 31, 9:32pm
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 31, 9:32pm
MrMagic says
Does sun ever shine there?
Hassan_Rouhani saysbob2356 saysabout the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa
Where is this number coming from?
From his.... oh, nevermind...
Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.
Does sun ever shine there?
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rdm
2018 Jul 31, 9:45pm
Goran_K says
Amigo, no worries as to paying for "The Wall". Mexico will pay because no bullshit Trump said so, about 50 times and he never ever fibbs. Believe me.
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself
Amigo, no worries as to paying for "The Wall". Mexico will pay because no bullshit Trump said so, about 50 times and he never ever fibbs. Believe me.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 31, 9:48pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 31, 9:48pm
Its racist! That's the lefts summary of every position.
Aka, not having a position.
Aka, not having a position.
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bob2356
2018 Jul 31, 9:49pm
MrMagic says
Internet searches still doesn't work on your computer? You really should have that fixed.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/visa-overstays-outnumber-illegal-border-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216
https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-Population-Are-Overstays
https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/
There are lots more. I don't feel a need to link or source something that can be looked up in 2 seconds by anyone with an above room temperature IQ. Maybe I should revise that policy to accommodate the lowest common denominator on patnet.
So the question stands, what will the wall do for overstayers? Crickets chirping as always.
Hassan_Rouhani saysbob2356 saysabout the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa
Where is this number coming from?
From his.... oh, nevermind...
Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.
Internet searches still doesn't work on your computer? You really should have that fixed.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/visa-overstays-outnumber-illegal-border-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216
https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-Population-Are-Overstays
https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/
There are lots more. I don't feel a need to link or source something that can be looked up in 2 seconds by anyone with an above room temperature IQ. Maybe I should revise that policy to accommodate the lowest common denominator on patnet.
So the question stands, what will the wall do for overstayers? Crickets chirping as always.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 31, 9:54pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 31, 9:54pm
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4652944/1995-bill-clinton-building-wall
Clinton is obviously a white supremacist
Clinton is obviously a white supremacist
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 31, 9:56pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 31, 9:56pm
bob2356 says
Are overstayers trafficking children and adult sex slaves and/or heroine?
Perhaps just maybe the wall is more important than chasing down illegals who overstay on holiday.
what will the wall do for overstayers?
Are overstayers trafficking children and adult sex slaves and/or heroine?
Perhaps just maybe the wall is more important than chasing down illegals who overstay on holiday.
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bob2356
2018 Aug 1, 6:13am
CBOEtrader says
Most of the human trafficking is not from mexico. Read the report Hidden Slaves some time.
"According to the 2011 Department of State report, victims are largely from Thailand, India, Mexico, Philippines, Haiti, Honduras, El Salvador, and the Dominican Republic, though U.S. citizens have also been victims of human trafficking. Relevant to people being trafficked from other countries, "[v]ulnerabilities are increasingly found in visa programs for legally documented students and temporary workers who typically fill labor needs in the hospitality, landscaping, construction, food service, and agricultural industries""
Almost all the heroin comes through ports of entry. https://www.wola.org/analysis/four-common-misconceptions-u-s-bound-drug-flows-mexico-central-america/https://www.wola.org/analysis/four-common-misconceptions-u-s-bound-drug-flows-mexico-central-america/
"The vast majority of the drug that enters from Mexico does so through “ports of entry”—the 48 official land crossings through which millions of people, vehicles, and cargo pass every day. “Heroin seizures almost predominantly are through the port of entry and either carried in a concealed part of a vehicle or carried by an individual,” then-U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Gil Kerlikowske told a congressional committee last year. “We don’t get much heroin seized by Border Patrol coming through, I think just because there are a lot of risks to the smugglers and the difficulty of trying to smuggle it through,” he said."
The wall won't stop shit as long as there are jobs for illegals. Its all just a lot of political theatre and misdirection for the base. Three card monte on a grand scale
Are overstayers trafficking children and adult sex slaves and/or heroine?
Most of the human trafficking is not from mexico. Read the report Hidden Slaves some time.
"According to the 2011 Department of State report, victims are largely from Thailand, India, Mexico, Philippines, Haiti, Honduras, El Salvador, and the Dominican Republic, though U.S. citizens have also been victims of human trafficking. Relevant to people being trafficked from other countries, "[v]ulnerabilities are increasingly found in visa programs for legally documented students and temporary workers who typically fill labor needs in the hospitality, landscaping, construction, food service, and agricultural industries""
Almost all the heroin comes through ports of entry. https://www.wola.org/analysis/four-common-misconceptions-u-s-bound-drug-flows-mexico-central-america/https://www.wola.org/analysis/four-common-misconceptions-u-s-bound-drug-flows-mexico-central-america/
"The vast majority of the drug that enters from Mexico does so through “ports of entry”—the 48 official land crossings through which millions of people, vehicles, and cargo pass every day. “Heroin seizures almost predominantly are through the port of entry and either carried in a concealed part of a vehicle or carried by an individual,” then-U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Gil Kerlikowske told a congressional committee last year. “We don’t get much heroin seized by Border Patrol coming through, I think just because there are a lot of risks to the smugglers and the difficulty of trying to smuggle it through,” he said."
The wall won't stop shit as long as there are jobs for illegals. Its all just a lot of political theatre and misdirection for the base. Three card monte on a grand scale
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Goran_K
2018 Aug 1, 6:18am
Goran_K
2018 Aug 1, 6:18am
rdm says
The amount of resources illegals suck up is more than 5 times the costs of the Wall. So Trump was right but he’s understated the costs savings by a bit.
Goran_K saysThe wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself
Amigo, no worries as to paying for "The Wall". Mexico will pay because no bullshit Trump said so, about 50 times and he never ever fibbs. Believe me.
The amount of resources illegals suck up is more than 5 times the costs of the Wall. So Trump was right but he’s understated the costs savings by a bit.
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Basically rubbish like this:
https://americasvoice.org/blog/immigration-101-border-wall-terrible-idea/