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Obligatory.

www.youtube.com/embed/L_861us8D9M

Despite Global Warmist's propaganda that this was just tabloid nonsense, note the multitude of interviews with Land Grant University PhDs, some of whom explaining that the ice age already began 3000 years ago and will get worse "Now".

They even have a PhD on explaining that the Deep Sea Cores confirm an impending Ice Age.

Now that the weather is warmer I expect the alarmists to start alarming again.

So... If you are a true believer make your prediction. Post a disaster and a date.

Onvacation says

So... If you are a true believer make your prediction. Post a disaster and a date.

Found a prediction!



???

Anyone else?

Onvacation says

Now that the weather is warmer I expect the alarmists to start alarming again.

It's snowing in the Sierras right now! Over 50 feet total this year. Six to ten inches of new snow accumulation predicted for today.

We sure could use some global warming.

Mammoth updated their skiing season to last through August...
August, people!
I think we should be more worried about the coming ice age!

Wrightwood outside of LA still open.

SFBA had the coldest winter and spring in many years. Still I cannot find any sites anymore just objectively listing avg. global temperatures per month without spin. Europe had a cold winter as well and only recently a very late decent spring. Who can link a site with global temperatures?

mell says

Who can link a site with global temperatures?

Who can even measure global temperatures?

Onvacation says

mell says

Who can link a site with global temperatures?

Who can even measure global temperatures?

There are worldwide stations which offee good enough approximation, esp. for detecting trends. Best taken a bit above the ground. The data was and is there it's just not being published anymore.

Does the OP even realize that this is comparing Feb 2016 to Feb 2018. That is a hot feb compared to a cold feb 2 years later, and then trying to generalize that to an entirely different meaning, implying something that's actually a lie ? Again, I get it, it's fun right ? (for certain types of people)

Here is a the most recent graph I can find. If you can find something better ( showing average temp change ) NASA or NOAA, please post it.

Let me guess, there I go again with that lefoid propaganda, as if it's based on real true factual data.

marcus says

Let me guess, there I go again with that lefoid propaganda, as if it's based on real true factual data.

We all know the temperatures have been rising over the past 20 years. The issue is that they are flattening even declining now and the hockey stick predictions utterly failed. I'm only interested in the last 5 years but mostly in 2019 as I expect it to be even solidly cooler than 2018. But I need updated monthly global temperatures which have been removed.

It’s cold bitches!
Btw Marcus graph there goes to 2020, so somehow it’s predicting the future. Fake news!

Quigley says

It’s cold bitches!
Btw Marcus graph there goes to 2020, so somehow it’s predicting the future. Fake news!

Well yeah and 2016 was the hottest year so 17 and 18 should show a drop off, and - my guess - esp. 19 so far but somehow this graph just projects the curve going up past 16. Probably not updated since then so the last 2 years were just blind al gore style hockeystick 'propaganda guesses' or yes, fake news.

Onvacation says

Onvacation says

So... If you are a true believer make your prediction. Post a disaster and a date.

Found a prediction!



???

Anyone else?

I took both intro and advanced environmental economics in college :) I remember reading Al Gore and or other nonsense predictions. 2018 was the year they told us the world would end. That class was pure indoctrination, as is most of college these days.

Yes, and those people who made the "by year 2000" prediction back in 1989 have already cashed the checks.

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Expat01 says

In which we discuss weather vs. climate.
While I advocate learning for all the ignorant cunts here, I suggest you stop cherry-picking and reading only bits of articles or headlines that conform to your ignorant, pre-conceived opinions. You are entitled to an opinion, but it doesn't make your opinion any more than a load of bullshit. You can believe the earth is flat or that God exists, but that only proves you are ignorant and uneducated.
Basically, fuck off. If you have to try to win an argument you are unwilling to lose by making shit up, you need to go back to elementary school and start over.

Blah blah blah I’m a wanker with no argument so I’ll call you guys stupid and a bunch of names because I’m a Leftist tool douchebag.

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Expat01 says

you ignorant fuckwit.

I do believe you're projecting.

You have no facts to base your OPINION on so you use personal attack.

So make a stand, AOC says a dozen years before disaster, iwog claimed massive wetbulb death by 2022. What's your prediction of global warming climate change doom?

Expat01 says

If you have to try to win an argument you are unwilling to lose by making shit up,

You have no argument.

Expat01 says

In which we discuss weather vs. climate.

Weather is what we get everyday. Climate is the history of weather. Both are constantly changing. Many true believers don't understand these definitions. They also believe all the ice is melting from the poles and Greenland. Facts have no meaning to these pseudoscience religious zealots.

Quigley says

Btw Marcus graph there goes to 2020, so somehow it’s predicting the future. Fake news!

You're learning how to do the right wing troll thing pretty well. Hey I get it. If the facts aren't there, you might as well appeal to people stupid enough to believe your lies. Although in this case I'll assume you believe what you're saying. Congrats.

marcus says

You do know that 2019 is one year before 2020 right ? IT's hard to tell whether those graph go to 1018 or 2019, but they clearly and obviously don't go to 2020. The Bar braph looks to me like it goes to 2019, the other looks like it goes to 2018 - but not sure. Ill look for the actual data.

mell says

The issue is that they are flattening even declining now and the hockey stick predictions utterly failed. I'm only interested in the last 5 years

This comment was the next comment after I posted these graphs..

mell says

Well yeah and 2016 was the hottest year so 17 and 18 should show a drop off, and - my guess - esp. 19 so far but somehow this graph just projects the curve going up past 16. Probably not updated since then so the last 2 years were just blind al gore style hockeystick 'propaganda guesses' or yes, fake news.

Unbelievable example of todays right wing. Facts that don't support your beliefs are to be disregarded. NASA and NOAA are in on the conspiracy.

Only Donald Trump to save us !!

marcus says

Unbelievable example of todays right wing.

Let's start with the facts, do you acknowledge that the temperature peaked in 2016 and has been going down since?

Here is the data for the second graph, the land ocean index

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/graph_data/Global_Mean_Estimates_based_on_Land_and_Ocean_Data/graph.txt

marcus says

Here is the data

You can see that your own data shows the temperature going down, don'tcha?

Onvacation says

You can see that your own data shows the temperature going down, don'tcha?

Yes, you or others like you made the exact same argument in 2012 or so.




2018 isn't even half way back to the 2012 levels and you're doing a victory lap. THe first column is the data, the second colum is "smoothed" (taking into account the trend yes lagging). I'm looking at the first column.

I wonder if you could imagine yourself doing this back in 2012 ? Basically still talking up your position after being repeatedly proven wrong. IF this were the market and you were a perma bear, shorting the market repeatedly, you would have been broke before this last dip. .

marcus says

2018 isn't even half way back to the 2012 levels

According to your own table 2018 was 22/100 of one degree warmer than 2002.

Where's the hockey stick?

marcus says

2018 isn't even half way back to the 2012 levels and you're doing a victory lap.

Are you disappointed that Manhattan is still above water, the icecaps have not melted and mass wetbulb has not killed thousands in India?

Onvacation says

Are you disappointed that Manhattan is still above water, the icecaps have not melted and mass wetbulb has not killed thousands in India?

Good question. It is a little confusing. On the one hand I'm happy to see it not going up too fast, and I would be happy if it weren't happening, but on the other hand, and dip in temps does play into the wishes of a lot of gullible fools to say, "see, it's not happening."

Onvacation says

Where's the hockey stick?

You need to zoom out to see the hockey stick.

https://skepticalscience.com/broken-hockey-stick.htm

marcus says

You need to zoom out to see the hockey stick.

LOL!

Onvacation says

So make a stand, AOC says a dozen years before disaster, iwog claimed massive wetbulb death by 2022. What's your prediction of global warming climate change doom?

Global cooling is robbing me of my promised hot Arizona summer! Last week was cold!!

Aaaand the chilly weather drags on. Coldest Spring in recent memory.
Still haven’t got to use my new AC unit, and my pool is sitting at 68°.
As we roll into June...

NuttBoxer says

Global cooling is robbing me of my promised hot Arizona summer! Last week was cold!!

lol. Which brings us to another point. The church of globull warming then always counters that this is all built into the model, jet stream blah blah and you're simply a peasant who doesn't understand the math. IF that were true then why don't they forecast a couple of cooler years. Either their model is accurate or not. But they never seem to be able to forecast anything and simply say after the fact look this is part of globull warming aka climate change.

"The climate cult that has taken over the environmental movement has never been about the environment. It has always been a mechanism to advance socialism, grow government, reduce individual rights, reduce human population, and ignore the human suffering and environmental damage their policies cause. Activists promoting this anti-human, anti-environment agenda appear to suffer emotional and psychological problems which they seem to deal with by attempting to make others miserable."

Onvacation says

"The climate cult that has taken over the environmental movement has never been about the environment. It has always been a mechanism to advance socialism, grow government, reduce individual rights, reduce human population, and ignore the human suffering and environmental damage their policies cause. Activists promoting this anti-human, anti-environment agenda appear to suffer emotional and psychological problems which they seem to deal with by attempting to make others miserable."

Yep - I've worked for an environmental engineering firm for nearly 25 years working on real environmental issues like clean water - and the Global Warming cultists have given environmentalism a bad name.

These scientifically illiterate nuts truly do see humans as parasites and viruses and have done everything they can to stop human development. Most notably protesting against nuclear energy which would have solved the "climate crisis" in terms of drastically reducing carbon emissions.

Ignore and mock these idiots and their Hollywood know-nothing fluffers.

socal2 says

Yep - I've worked for an environmental engineering firm for nearly 25 years working on real environmental issues like clean water - and the Global Warming cultists have given environmentalism a bad name.

That’s the difference between an environmental engineer, who seeks answers to problems, and an environmental lawyer who seeks to extract money from the productivity of other people in exchange for nothing at all.

socal2 says

These scientifically illiterate nuts truly do see humans as parasites and viruses and have done everything they can to stop human development. Most notably protesting against nuclear energy which would have solved the "climate crisis" in terms of drastically reducing carbon emissions.

Yep. The practical way forward. And forget about a permanent human - or even substantial robotic - presence in the Outer Solar System without out.