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New California Law Limits How Much Water People Can Use to 50 gallons
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2018 Jun 2, 10:57pm 12,922 views 67 comments
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Heraclitusstudent
2018 Oct 3, 2:24pm
Heraclitusstudent
2018 Oct 3, 2:24pm
Strategist says
Ok so Strategist gets us 60 gallons instead of 50....
Thank you!
The most economical solution is to reduce agricultural water use by 5%, which would result in an increase of 20% for household use. Right now 80% of the water goes to agriculture.
Ok so Strategist gets us 60 gallons instead of 50....
Thank you!
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Heraclitusstudent
2018 Oct 3, 2:27pm
Heraclitusstudent
2018 Oct 3, 2:27pm
FortWayne says
Some of us in CA still act like they live in New England. Green lawns are an heresy in CA.
ThreeBays saysI think that once you remove landscaping water, the 50 gal usage isn't out of line with what most Californians already use per person. Using more than that on average indoors is pretty wasteful, for example from using inefficient washers, and it is worth having a limit because it's something that can be corrected.
When you add landscaping then usage can be a lot higher than that especially in the posher areas.
yeah, and some of us have backyards that do require watering.
Some of us in CA still act like they live in New England. Green lawns are an heresy in CA.
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socal2
2018 Oct 3, 2:48pm
Heraclitusstudent says
Water in SoCal is one of the cheapest commodities around. We could triple the price and still be fine. I pay less than $3/day for water and sewage treatment for a family of 5 (with mother-in-law) and I water my yard 3-4 times a week.
Besides - residential water use in California is only a tiny percentage of the overall water use. It's a joke that the moron Democrats in Sacramento make the tax payers burn out their yards while the vast majority of the water is used for environmental and agricultural purposes.
Riight, because desalination plants create cheap water for the poor.
Water in SoCal is one of the cheapest commodities around. We could triple the price and still be fine. I pay less than $3/day for water and sewage treatment for a family of 5 (with mother-in-law) and I water my yard 3-4 times a week.
Besides - residential water use in California is only a tiny percentage of the overall water use. It's a joke that the moron Democrats in Sacramento make the tax payers burn out their yards while the vast majority of the water is used for environmental and agricultural purposes.
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WookieMan
2018 Oct 3, 3:36pm
WookieMan
2018 Oct 3, 3:36pm
socal2 says
That's not cheap my friend. That's mucho expensive. And if you 3x's that $3/day would really fuck some people up. $270/mo at $9/day for water/sewer? My worst gas or electric bills barely even touch that amount. I'm at $1.80 per day for sewer and water ($54/mo, two younger kids, one kid bath, one kid shower, pool and a legit garden). And I'm not even on Lake Michigan water. It could be even cheaper.
I'm sure you get paid more out there. But the little things add up. I like the change of seasons for the most part here, but totally understand why CA is so attractive. Income tax is where my shit gets fucked up out there versus IL. I like to travel and that would destroy that budget for the wife and I. Plus I like the Caribbean and flights from there are too long for my liking from what I've researched.
Water in SoCal is one of the cheapest commodities around. We could triple the price and still be fine. I pay less than $3/day for water and sewage treatment for a family of 5 (with mother-in-law) and I water my yard 3-4 times a week.
That's not cheap my friend. That's mucho expensive. And if you 3x's that $3/day would really fuck some people up. $270/mo at $9/day for water/sewer? My worst gas or electric bills barely even touch that amount. I'm at $1.80 per day for sewer and water ($54/mo, two younger kids, one kid bath, one kid shower, pool and a legit garden). And I'm not even on Lake Michigan water. It could be even cheaper.
I'm sure you get paid more out there. But the little things add up. I like the change of seasons for the most part here, but totally understand why CA is so attractive. Income tax is where my shit gets fucked up out there versus IL. I like to travel and that would destroy that budget for the wife and I. Plus I like the Caribbean and flights from there are too long for my liking from what I've researched.
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socal2
2018 Oct 3, 3:45pm
WookieMan says
Three dollars a day for basically unlimited clean water (and sewage treatment) to live in a desert/Mediterranean climate where I have nice lush green grass and beautiful flowering Hibiscus trees all year round?
I don't have AC and barely run my gas furnace in the winter - so my utilities average out.
Alot of areas in the East Coast actually pay more for their water than I do despite them getting much more rain.
My point is that water is a solvable problem without FORCING us to turn our yards into shit Arizona rock gardens like the Democrats in Sacramento want us to do.
That's not cheap my friend. That's mucho expensive. And if you 3x's that $3/day would really fuck some people up. $270/mo at $9/day for water/sewer?
Three dollars a day for basically unlimited clean water (and sewage treatment) to live in a desert/Mediterranean climate where I have nice lush green grass and beautiful flowering Hibiscus trees all year round?
I don't have AC and barely run my gas furnace in the winter - so my utilities average out.
Alot of areas in the East Coast actually pay more for their water than I do despite them getting much more rain.
My point is that water is a solvable problem without FORCING us to turn our yards into shit Arizona rock gardens like the Democrats in Sacramento want us to do.
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RWSGFY
2018 Oct 3, 5:21pm
RWSGFY
2018 Oct 3, 5:21pm
WookieMan says
Pasture with grass brought over by Spaniards. The type which goes completetly dry and yellow by early May and back to green in mid-December. Forest (either redwood or oak) before that. It's not a desert and never was.
what the landscape would look like prior to the development of the area?
Pasture with grass brought over by Spaniards. The type which goes completetly dry and yellow by early May and back to green in mid-December. Forest (either redwood or oak) before that. It's not a desert and never was.
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RWSGFY
2018 Oct 3, 5:24pm
RWSGFY
2018 Oct 3, 5:24pm
WookieMan says
In CA all prices are artificially skewed: power, water, gasoline... There is no telling what will be more expensive when.
At some point the water will be more expensive compared to getting an A/C unit or watering the lawn to keep temps lower.
In CA all prices are artificially skewed: power, water, gasoline... There is no telling what will be more expensive when.
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just_passing_through
2018 Oct 3, 8:01pm
just_passing_through
2018 Oct 3, 8:01pm
Have to agree with Strat that we use too much on agriculture - the wrong kind of agriculture. Anyone ever see Chinatown with young Jack Nicholson? A lot of that is true and sadly was recapitulated since then. I seem to remember a single almond mafioso involved?
Just don't take away my avocados which are perhaps the worst.
We need lots and lots more desal and reservoirs but the econazi's want us to actually move backwards on that front. We (in SD) should plan to wean off of the colorado if for no other reason the Salton Sea is drying up (faster than ever after the very recent water deal we made) and once that goes the air around here will be shit. It's already fucking up the Imperial Valley and blowing into the LA area.
Just don't take away my avocados which are perhaps the worst.
We need lots and lots more desal and reservoirs but the econazi's want us to actually move backwards on that front. We (in SD) should plan to wean off of the colorado if for no other reason the Salton Sea is drying up (faster than ever after the very recent water deal we made) and once that goes the air around here will be shit. It's already fucking up the Imperial Valley and blowing into the LA area.
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just_passing_through
2018 Oct 3, 8:03pm
just_passing_through
2018 Oct 3, 8:03pm
Does anyone think that after this law actually goes into effect it won't either be:
1. quickly reversed
2. eventually reversed after demoncrats are voted out of Sac
Long ago I would have said (1) or (2) but these days I really don't think so.
1. quickly reversed
2. eventually reversed after demoncrats are voted out of Sac
Long ago I would have said (1) or (2) but these days I really don't think so.
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Some youtube videos claim the eventual goal is only 30 gallons per day and that they'll be cutting people off by way of smart meters.
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/05/31/california-water-limits/
SACRAMENTO (CBS13) – There will soon be more focus on flushes and scrutiny over showers with a new law signed in by the governor.
California is now the first state in the nation to enact tough new water-efficiency standards. The controversial rules limit how many gallons a person can use inside their home per day.
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“So that everyone in California is at least integrating efficiency into our preparations for climate change,” said Felicia Marcus, Chair of the State Water Resources Control Board.
So, what are the new rules?
In 2022, the new indoor water standard will be 55 gallons per person, per day. by 2030, it will fall to 50 gallons.
“With a child and every day having to wash clothes, that’s, just my opinion, not feasible. But I get it and I understand that we’re trying to preserve…but 55 gallons a day?” said Tanya Allen, who has a 4-year-old daughter.
Just how many gallons do household chores take?
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An 8-minute shower uses about 17 gallons of water, a load of laundry up to 40, and a bathtub can hold 80 to 100 gallons of water.
“She likes to bathe three times a day and she does laundry all day,” said Rocka Mitchell from Texas.
He and his wife Ginger are living in Sacramento for work and say it would be hard to conserve.
“I couldn’t do it. My family is way too large,” she said.
Retrofitting homes with water-efficient fixtures could help cut back.
“I think the average new home is 35 gallons per person per day, so we are not talking emergency conservation here,” Marcus said.
Greg Bundesen with the Sacramento Suburban Water District says they already assist customers.
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“We offer toilet rebates, we offer complementary showerheads, we offer complementary faucets,” he said.
The new laws also require water districts to perform stress tests of their water supply and curb loss due to leaks.
“Right now we lose up to 30 percent of urban water just to leaks in the system,” Marcus said.
Agencies believe fixing those leaks and educating residents is the key.
“Some people may not be aware that you’re going to use a lot more water in a bath and you wouldn’t shower and it’s our job to make sure they’re informed,” Bundesen said.
Water districts who don’t comply face fines up to $10,000 a day.
The ultimate goal is to make conservation a way of life in California. Outdoor water use is also covered by the new laws.
Standards will be based on a region’s climate and other factors instead of just one standard for the whole state.