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May is no different than Corbyn, Macron is no different than Royale, Merkel is no different than Nahles, and Jeb!!!/Romney/Flake is no different than Biden/Harris/Booker.

All think a slow growing developed post-industrial society needs to be absolutely inundated with unskilled Third Worlders from utterly alien environments in massive numbers with next to no vetting.

That day is over, it is anti-democratic. People like their home and a sense of belonging, and not bringing Mogadishu to Minnesota.

Jefferson was all in favor of building a Navy of Heavy Frigates to beat the shit out of North African pirates than paying tributes, which Adams believed was the best course of action. I am reading Dawn Like Thunder and literally read excerpts of his letter-debate with Adams last week.

MENA Pirates, who want a Caliphate and Religious Authority ruling over them are about as far removed from Saxon Villages and Althings as one could possibly imagine.

More later.

Kakistocracy says

The far-right, near-fascist party

Can you be specific as to why they are near fascist?

Kakistocracy says

a bit of ethnic cleansing via whatever means is suitable/palatable to the public to make the population a bit whiter did not sit well or was it the reference to enhanced interrogation techniques and internment camps ?

Can you show where he proposes this?

Kakistocracy says

military parades and jack booted goose stepping troops ?

And this as well?

May be I am missing something, but I do not see any of the above in Thierry Baudet.

@d6rB - in the interview above there is no direct link.

As far as the fascist - authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

I tend to read between the lines and there is a commonality between these candidates, groups, ideology etc. - like ISIS/ISL and it's offshoots.

The rest - who knows - why not though, someone in this country wanted a yuuggee military parade just like his pals in other countries.

I am doing some background research on him though - all so very very familiar...I will stand by my allegations.

For Baudet is convinced that his country is on the brink of disaster. He believes that Dutch political and intellectual elites harbor a pathological hatred of their own national culture. Fed by cultural Marxism, postcolonial guilt, victim culture, and political correctness, this oikophobia—Baudet’s fancy term for “fear of the home”—has sapped the country’s defense mechanisms, leaving it open to the invasion of non-Western values. These threats are embodied particularly in Muslim immigrants and refugees.

Although Baudet’s ideas are clearly very extreme, he packages them in a tremendously charming, attractive way.”

Baudet’s relationship with the extreme right is nebulous. While he’s popular with Dutch nationalists and white supremacists, he claims to forcefully reject racism and anti-Semitism, and says he will not allow them in his party in any form. At the same time, he dog-whistles through provocative statements that he later retracts, adds nuance to, or claims were intended ironically. One thing is clear: In his crusade against political correctness, he knows what buttons to push to prompt an attention-generating outcry.

Long Read: https://www.thenation.com/article/is-dutch-bad-boy-thierry-baudet-the-new-face-of-the-european-alt-right/

d6rB says

military parades and jack booted goose stepping troops ?

And this as well?

May be I am missing something, but I do not see any of the above in Thierry Baudet.

He's making it up.

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d6rB says

military parades and jack booted goose stepping troops ?

And this as well?

May be I am missing something, but I do not see any of the above in Thierry Baudet.

He's making it up.

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The military parades and jack booted goose stepping troops - creative license just like Baudet uses in describing his views and policies.

My allegation he is a fascist or worse - stand by what I said.

Also stand by that I do not care (not even an atom's worth) if someone on an internet forum hints I am un-American for what I post or not going along with Trump train.

Kakistocracy says

As far as the fascist - authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

I tend to read between the lines and there is a commonality between these candidates, groups, ideology etc. - like ISIS/ISL and it's offshoots.

I read through the link you provided. The only fact that could be interpreted as Baudet being far-right is his meeting with Jared Taylor (although meeting does not necessarily mean agreeing with ideas). Everything else seems to be a journalistic interpretation to achieve the desired result, that is to paint Baudet as member of far right. He appears to be strongly in favor of gay rights and gender equality - this is very different from far right and WRT to that he is more progressive than most of Patnet - he argues that immigrants should adopt culture of their new country - that seems logical (don't come to N. if you do not like there) - he supports referendums in Netherlands while so-called progressive left wing politicians are against them - last issue actually supports notion that the rest of parliament are fascists/stalinists/dictators/whatever as they prefer to rule without taking into account popular opinions.
Also, the article directly tells us that the collective Left is much more violent than the Right in Netherlands - two members of the Right - Fortuyn and van Gogh were killed by Left and their supported Muslims.

Yeah, posting link after link is an excuse to ignore reality. He made it up

Kakistocracy says

Depending on whom you ask, this phrase can offer insight into our national political rhetoric, as Beasley describes. It can also offer a window onto our collective psychology and help to explain characteristics of our society, according to some research that links values to economic systems.

This is a shock: After decades of the Multikult, the American Dream has lost it's one meaning held by 90% of the population: Increasing standard of living for ordinary folks.

As far as I can tell, according to the Clerisy, it means "Mass immigration of the third world and fuck the rednecks."

d6rB says

The only fact that could be interpreted as Baudet being far-right is his meeting with Jared Taylor (although meeting does not necessarily mean agreeing with ideas)

Ah yes, the smear by association or even debate. Just like Sargon gets smeared for having a debate with Richard Spencer, which turned into "Sargon participated in a Youtube event with Spencer. FASCIST!!!"

Kakistocracy says

that was one of many clever things Hitler did.

So you’re a Hitler admirer? A Nazi fan? It makes sense considering that you’re always posting things about how we need fascist rule to keep us under control.

jazz_music says

Can you comment on the topic or just make up stories about people who disagree with you?

The base is using the 3Ps here Jazz, attack attack attack - person, position or make it political

d6rB,MLTC et al. - there is not one iota of a doubt in my mind Baudet is using extreme creative license in his views to make them palatable to the masses.

I stand by my allegations against him.

Quigley says

So you’re a Hitler admirer? A Nazi fan? It makes sense considering that you’re always posting things about how we need fascist rule to keep us under control.

Kindly show me where I have stated that. I did add in a bit of trivia to show how a genre of music can be used to manipulate a crowd unknowingly.

On a side note how about some input into the A.I. issue on the docks - please use the other thread. 50 good mechanics being paid a decent wage and benefit package can do the same as 100 union mechanics.

Kakistocracy says

I stand by my allegations against him

And who are you? What qualifies you as an expert? What can you even do that is beneficial to your fellow human beings? So far all I’ve seen is an ability to criticize without being constructive. That and a great willingness to eliminate any ideology from consideration which differs from the media-approved version. So you’ve mastered the process of elimination. Congratulations! You’re now at the level of a newborn.

Kakistocracy says

d6rB,MLTC et al. - there is not one iota of a doubt in my mind Baudet is using extreme creative license in his views to make them palatable to the masses.

Or as a classically educated individual, he is simply making the forgotten balanced, classical case against Post Modernist Pap.

You know, that crazy Aristotle Idea that moderation is a good thing, too much individuality is as bad as too much conformity, etc.

Or, maybe Aristotle is just a dead White guy nobody needs to listen to because everybody knows Whites are Evil Whiteness practitioners.

Kakistocracy says

input into the A.I. issue on the docks

There is no Artificial Intelligence. Clearly, you misunderstand the term. Or maybe in your mind, the ability to be programmed qualifies as “intelligence.” This would explain a lot, in retrospect, as you constantly belittle those who think outside the box of party propaganda spewed by the mainstream media.

Quigley says

What can you even do that is beneficial to your fellow human beings?

Good good - using the attack the person principle of the 3 Ps and it would be "what I have done" in my life - not what can I do and I am still doing but what it is, is of no concern to anyone on here. .

Quigley says

What qualifies you as an expert?

The same as all of the "experts" attacking anything not of Trumponian fashion. As I recall there was a plethora of experts on here during the previous administration most of them are still here giving "expert" opinion on the greatness of Potus.

Quigley says

So far all I’ve seen is an ability to criticize without being constructive.

Some see with blinders on.

Quigley says

That and a great willingness to eliminate any ideology from consideration which differs from the media-approved version

Been watching Team Trump and the base in action so just applying the same standards.

Quigley says

Congratulations! You’re now at the level of a newborn.

Great - that puts me on the same level as your God King - guess you will all see me on TV soon as a new advisor.

Quigley says

There is no Artificial Intelligence

Robots - programmed with artificial intelligence and based on 30 years in industry I know exactly how unions pad refinery jobs and the same with the dock unions.

We staffed plants with one person per 12 hour shift when the union would require a staff of a dozen.

We could also prep, repair and put back on line a compressor in the time it took union people to tag one out for maintenance.

50 non union mechanics paid a decent wage and benefit package will work rings around a union crew of twice the number.

Quigley says

This would explain a lot, in retrospect, as you constantly belittle those who think outside the box of party propaganda spewed by the mainstream media.

Learned this from Breibart and the Gateway Fuckwit amongst others.

Spew - wow, thought only the commenter from Jersey used that term

No one from Team Trump belittles anyone on this forum ? When the hell did that stop ?

I'm curious as to where Jefferson wrote it might be a good idea to have lots of Jihadis immigrate.

MisterLearnToCode says

I'm curious as to where Jefferson wrote it might be a good idea to have lots of Jihadis immigrate.

I'd like to know where his writings are endorsing white supremacists and ignoring their threat level without saying there are good people on both sides.

Quigley says

It makes sense considering that you’re always posting things about how we need fascist rule to keep us under control.

As for people that post that bullshit I am unable to name names lest I get this flagged as being personnel but I can assure you it is not Moi but think of someplace nice and warm and Jackie Gleason used to live there as one example who routinely almost daily posts white power bullshit.

Kakistocracy says

Robots - programmed with artificial intelligence and based on 30 years in industry I know exactly how unions pad refinery jobs and the same with the dock unions.

Uh, once again you don’t program with AI, not unless you have an AI to do the programming which nobody does. Instead you have engineers and techs to do the programming. And what is a robot? Bet you can’t even define it. I work on robots. I program them, maintain them, diagnose them, and fix them. Can you do any of that? If not, then don’t be coming up in here like I’m not worth whatever I’m paid. You know a little bit, and that’s led you to make a lot of dumb assumptions. I’m not going to correct all of them, but I will give you this much for free: a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Quigley - those robots are going to put your livelihood in jeopardy.

Not sure what you can compared do to what I can do is of any consequence but again - I know better than to get into one of these mind numbing games so popular on here.

Quigley says

Can you do any of that? If not, then don’t be coming up in here like I’m not worth whatever I’m paid.

Doesn't matter what I can or can not do with a robot.

I do know that a skilled non-union mechanic can do the same work, faster and more of it and with a lot less bullshit than a union mechanic.

Kakistocracy says

non union mechanics can do the same work, more of it in less time without all the bullshit union rules

Ok so basically you’re asserting that unions suck, organized labor is unnecessary, and we should all go back to 1890 when sweatshops for tots were the American way. Looks like you’re exactly the elitist I always thought that you were. Forget about your commie posts. I know you don’t mean them. You just want to be the crusty old fuck in charge of telling the worker bots what to do and what to think, and probably assigning beatings on the regular. So progressive!
Give me a break!

Quigley says

You know a little bit, and that’s led you to make a lot of dumb assumptions.

My calls are based on experience over 30 years working with union and non union contractors. I know what to expect out of each group and what can or can not be accomplished per work shift.

Quigley says

Ok so basically you’re asserting that unions suck, organized labor is unnecessary, and we should all go back to 1890 when sweatshops for tots were the American way. Looks like you’re exactly the elitist I always thought that you were.

Please show me where I stated I was anti-union. Most of my commentary is pro-union but not the abuses it brings.

Earlier in life I was a member of the Steelworkers Union - like other unions they managed to kill the goose that was laying the Golden Eggs in most cases

Resorting to name calling now...

Kakistocracy says

kindly explain what was "personal' about my comment

This was personal:

Got a thing for far right wing thugs do you now ?

@Patrick - that is pretty mild actually compared to the attacks myself and others contend with here on a daily basis.

Then again if my "flag" function was not disabled, I would be flagging my fair share as personal as well but when life dishes out lemons, you make lemonade and do work arounds.

@Kakistocracy Huh, you should be able to flag personal insults, and please do.

I'll try to figure out why you don't see it.

Actually, from what I see, you do have the "flag" link above each comment.

Are you sure you don't see it?

Kakistocracy says

there is not one iota of a doubt in my mind Baudet is using extreme creative license in his views to make them palatable to the masses.

I stand by my allegations against him.

So not facts, just "I think that he is far-right because I do not like his political views".

What he has said makes sense and is by no means far-right. I'd say it is more common sense than what most politicians say. What he has in his head, we can not judge.

If you got up in Congress/Parliament and gave a 5-minute speech about the legacy of the Greeks and Romans, you'd be labelled a White Supremacist by the first minute mark on CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, etc. Indeed it would be called a "Frightening display by the Alt Right".

Nevermind just 20 years ago nobody would have even noticed, and if they did, they'd say "Yep, yay Aristotle".

It makes logical sense to copy successful societies/civilizations, which these days means European, N. American, and SE Asian (who are the most successful these days, by fusing their Confucianism with some ideas of West). But that somehow is considered wrong and unPC.

Patrick says

Are you sure you don't see it?

@Patrick

I can see it just fine as you have noted. That is not the statement I made. It is at the moment a useless feature for me.

It does not work or if it does, either someone is ridiculously fast, like in nano second fast, to undo my flag of a comment. That would mean someone is monitoring my 24 x 7 since I post at very odd hours when only 4 or 5 "lurkers" are around.

The ability to flag a comment has been rendered inoperative for this PatNet ID.

Without going into detail I tested this theory and out and proved it.

d6rB says

What he has in his head, we can not judge.

Creative license - he uses it and so do I.

In so far as the comments on the other parts of my comments I am not flying solo in my considerations of what his leanings are, or where this will end up sooner rather than later.

Not so sure there would be so much concern over guy like this - clearly I do not have the ability to influence reporters etc. all over the world and their views of the guy and other like him.

Going back once more though to the what he has in his head...

Does this apply to Richard Spencer, Stephen Miller, and the like ?

This guy is cut from the same piece of cloth. The interview was carefully and cleverly worded.

Kakistocracy says

Creative license - he uses it and so do I.

I prefer facts which can be checked.
Kakistocracy says

Does this apply to Richard Spencer, Stephen Miller, and the like ?

Spencer is pretty open about what is in his head. He quotes Adolf and denounces Jews. So, in his case facts are clear - he is racist, bigot, Nazi, etc.
I have no idea who is Miller.
Statement that "this guy [Baudet] is made from the same cloth" in my eyes is baseless as I have not seen any proof of it.

d6rB says

Stephen Miller

That is Potus right hand man on immigration and many other fine policies.

Kakistocracy says

I can see it just fine as you have noted. That is not the statement I made. It is at the moment a useless feature for me.

Thanks @Kakistocracy ! It was a bug which I think I have fixed now.

Was not specific to you alone. No one has been able to flag for a while except me, which is why I didn't notice it. Sorry about that.

Please let me know if it still doesn't work for you.