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1   willywonka   ignore (4)   2019 Sep 7, 6:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MORE! CHEAP! SHIT! FROM! CHINA!
2   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (6)   2019 Sep 7, 7:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Toxic Chinese Drywall Creates A Housing Disaster.

...an estimated 100,000 homes in more than 20 states were built with toxic drywall imported from China.

Emissions from the drywall corrode plumbing and electrical systems. Homeowners also blame them for headaches and respiratory ailments. Replacing Chinese drywall in the United States could cost $15 billion to $25 billion..."

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114182073
3   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2019 Sep 7, 7:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No just greed has, they said Bush's $5.00 a gallon of gas gave us our first real gross inflated manipulated prices in a long time. They said it was all due to high gas prices. But after gas came back down to reasonable prices. The inflation that used it as an excuse never came back down with with the gas prices.
4   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (2)   2019 Sep 7, 9:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Building costs are low.

Land and permits suck most of it, plus labor.

Tile is $0.80 per sf. But laying it is $4.00 per sf. And land in the city is $400.0 per sf.
5   Quigley   ignore (2)   2019 Sep 7, 9:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yah we don’t need cheap Chinese wood or drywall. Even their screws are cheap and flimsy. Building something wrong with poor materials will cost far more in the long run than building it right with quality materials.
6   HEYYOU   ignore (34)   2019 Sep 7, 9:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

More fake news! We live in MAGA America!

Why do America hating Republicans buy Communist China exports?
Communist sympathizers?
7   marcus   ignore (10)   2019 Sep 8, 12:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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Fortwaynemobile says
Building costs are low.



Even if costs of materials had gone from zero to 30K, it still would be a 20 - 30K increase, and not good.



Thanks Trump.
8   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (2)   2019 Sep 8, 12:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It hasn’t.

I do build residential occasionally. The cost increase is a lie, fake news.

Lumber costs same.
Bolts and brackets same.
Roofing same
Tile still cheap.
Wiring same
All hard materials haven’t changed.

If someone tells you to pay more due to higher material costs, they are trying to rip you off, find another builder.

marcus says
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Fortwaynemobile says
Building costs are low.



Even if costs of materials had gone from zero to 30K, it still would be a 20 - 30K increase, and not good.



Thanks Trump.
9   marcus   ignore (10)   2019 Sep 8, 1:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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I guess making up your own facts is one option.



The tariffs against China increased from 10% to 25% in May on about 500 items involved in housing, such as appliances, nails, lighting, laminate, tile, cabinets and other common finishes in housing made from aluminum, steel and lumber.

The home builders association estimates the tariffs will ultimately cost home buyers $2.5 billion per year nationwide. Facing those costs, builders such as Fitzpatrick have to find other materials to use in homes or pass the charges directly on to their customers — those looking to build or renovate their homes.
10   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2019 Sep 8, 2:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The tariffs against China increased from 10% to 25% in May on about 500 items involved in housing, such as appliances, nails, lighting, laminate, tile, cabinets

I am not a scratch builder, but I have bought and restored several homes. Cabinets are made locally. Even the cheap cabinets are made in a US factory, along side the semi-custom brands. All the nails and screws I used say "USA" on the box. I caution anyone against using laminate and drywall from China. Around here, Lumber Liquidators has a lawsuit against them related to the fumes from a brand of Chinese flooring. We also have about 100 or so local homes that are uninhabitable because of sulfur-like fumes emanating from Chinese drywall, that is strong enough to ruin electrical wiring. Homeowners had a hard time collecting damages because no one could trace the suppler of the bad drywall.

Drywall, plumbing, electrical, wood, shingles, windows, railings, decking, ranges, siding, bricks and others are all available American or Canadian made. I suggest using the USA/Canada products over anything from China. Appliances like dishwashers, clothes washers, and ranges/ovens/stoves has excellent USA made choices. https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/05/best-american-made-appliances/index.htm
11   TrumpingTits   ignore (2)   2019 Sep 8, 7:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ah yes. Blame CA's housing poverty on Trump. That's the ticket!
12   6rdB   ignore (0)   2019 Sep 8, 9:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Presstitutes are not talking about how much housing prices have gone up due to random local ordinances or TAXES!!!
13   Booger   ignore (5)   2019 Sep 9, 7:15am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Even their screws are cheap and flimsy.


Like there is any hardware currently being made in USA???
14   WookieMan   ignore (4)   2019 Sep 9, 7:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fortwaynemobile says
Tile is $0.80 per sf.


...for the absolute shittiest tile the hardware store sells. You need to be at $4+ per square for tile, otherwise don't invite me to your house as you'll have to clean up my puke on your 0.80 cent tile.

Joking aside, you are correct though. Building materials are not as big a part of the budget in building homes. So the tariffs alone "maybe" could increase the cost of building a percent or two. Statistically it's not important really as most builders understand that the profit margins are in acquisition by default and not materials. Any builder using that as an excuse is full of shit and ultimately is trying to pass on higher labor costs (or poor acquisition), which is the true factor in increased building costs. Easier to blame materials instead of other humans getting paid more.

Also, cheap BUT good labor is harder to come by when the industry shut down for almost a decade. Less new workers were trained and many good tradespeople left their field to find work elsewhere. Assuming there's not another massive recession, we're still probably a decade away from getting back to a balance skilled labor force in the construction industry.

I know a couple plumbers that turn down 6 figures of work annually because they cannot hire quality plumbers to help with the work load. So they just decline the work and they're still working 80-90 hour weeks making bank. And this is why American schools are fucked. You can tell pretty early on which kids are going to be doctors, teachers, attorneys and which "should" be plumbers, electricians, etc. Our kids are a square peg we keep trying to ram into a round hole.
15   Patrick   ignore (0)   2019 Sep 9, 7:38am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

6rdB says
Presstitutes


Lol, hadn't heard that one.

The press is on a mission to hide the fact that Trump's presidency has been great for America so far. Everyone is better off because Trump got elected against the wishes of our owners.

Our owners don't even hate us. That would take too much effort. They just don't care about us at all. They would have continued exporting jobs and importing illegals.
16   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (2)   2019 Sep 9, 9:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Builders don’t buy at Home Depot. You can get materials cheap if you go to bulk stores. Most is us made. Yeah 0.80 tile is cheap shit at residential places lol. That’s what competes with China. Good stuff is at 2.00 sf.

Canoga park has ton of places like that. None of it is from China.

WookieMan says
Fortwaynemobile says
Tile is $0.80 per sf.


...for the absolute shittiest tile the hardware store sells. You need to be at $4+ per square for tile, otherwise don't invite me to your house as you'll have to clean up my puke on your 0.80 cent tile.

Joking aside, you are correct though. Building materials are not as big a part of the budget in building homes. So the tariffs alone "maybe" could increase the cost of building a percent or two. Statistically it's not important really as most builders understand that the profit margins are in acquisition by default and not materials. Any builder using that as an excuse is full of shit and ultimately is trying to pass on higher labor costs (or poor acquisition), which is the true factor in increased building costs. Easier to blame materials instead of other humans getting paid more.

Also, cheap BUT good labor is harder to come by wh...
17   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Sep 9, 9:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Even if costs of materials had gone from zero to 30K, it still would be a 20 - 30K increase, and not good.


Housing prices, new and old, are totally detached from and independent of building costs.
There is a market, very tight, very expensive that dictates prices. Not building costs.

Builders buy land and build houses and do that as long as they can make an adequate profit.
People who sell land know how much it costs to build and know what is the final market price for new housing. They set the prices for land accordingly, taking the difference.
18   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 Sep 9, 11:06am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

One way you can see "building costs" is in your home insurance rebuild value — that's what the insurance company will pay, maximum, if your house is totaled from a covered catastrophe. The rebuild cost of my shack is shockingly high compared to the cost of a brand new house in most other parts of the country.

I'd attribute the costs to:
• California labor regulations
• California building regulations
• High costs of everything else in California
• Government permitting process and other government drains

Building materials just don't cost all that much more here in California than they do anywhere else in the country.

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