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Sensible Silent Republicans And Health Reform


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2009 Aug 23, 9:17am   9,266 views  44 comments

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Until a large number of the sensible and silent majority of Republicans let it be known that they want health reform, the vocal right-wing Republicans will continue to oppose anything that the Democrats push. Most of the vocal people are using the issue to gain position for the Republican party. If Obama loses his pledge to solve the health problem this will help reverse the slippery slope Republican party is on. So until they know that the slope is becoming even more slippery and greater then ever, I would not expect to see a change.

The people making claims about where Obama was born are hoping that many people will not take the time to understand whether it is true or not and it might keep the ones who were against him, or apprehensive in the beginning, from moving more towards his appeal for getting together to solve any of the big problems that the vocal opponents' leaders have caused. It is not about being a sore loser only, it is a desperate tactic that could help keep their tentative base from wandering. Many of the vocal people feel that if Obama is successful that the country will suffer from more Democratic ideas and so worth derailing him in any way they can. Elections have been won with this approach.

T.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Killelea" To: T.
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: Birthers

> Hi T,
> what do you think it would take to get right-wing Republicans to support Obama's health care reform effort?
>
> Why are they so determined to believe Obama was not born in the US? Is it mostly that they are sore losers?
>
> This is all relevant to my blog, which has degenerated into a partisan battlefield.
>
> Patrick

#politics

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41   nosf41   2009 Aug 30, 3:49pm  

bob2356 says

There aren’t any perpetual motion machines??? Really??? Next I suppose you’re going to try to convince me the world is round.
No need to be paranoid nosf41, we really are laughing at you.

Just as I thought - you provided no arguments to explain Obama's behavior.
Your last post makes no sense. You are not doing well in expressing your thoughts clearly.

42   jjj   2009 Sep 6, 10:40am  

http://mises.org/story/3613
http://mises.org/story/3586

I can't believe this patrick guy is so ignorant of economics. He should read the above articles. We need free market health care reform.

43   nosf41   2009 Sep 6, 6:08pm  

Nomograph says

Good news! Nosf41’s hero and the leader of the Birthers, Orly Taitz, has managed to find yet ANOTHER African birth certificate. Except, once again, she forgot that Kenya was part of Zanzibar at the time. Darn.
http://www.examiner.com/x-19545-Anchorage-Liberal-Examiner~y2009m9d5-More-fraud-and-conspiracy-theories-from-antiObama-birthers

1. There is a better link about this story. World Net Daily published their analysis four days ago:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108773

When it comes to eligibility issue, judges are cowards for not allowing evidence to be presented in courts. Nobody has officially verified Obama's eligibility. He has posted a copy of the short form birth certificate on a friendly web site. That is not a sufficient proof. Actually, it could be a convincing evidence, if his other documents pointed out to the USA birth. The problem is, there are no other documents available to the public that would corroborate the so called "birth certificate".

2. Obama's behavior is very interesting. In his first run for the public office (in 1996), he used courts to disqualify opponents on techicalities and run unopposed in Dem. party primaries. This is a link to the CNN report on that race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Ned5TQoW4

The same Barack Obama has been trying for more than a year to dismiss all eligibility lawsuits. He does not want evidence to be presented and heard in courts. Why? What is there to hide? If he was really born in the USA, it would have been a trivial thing to prove.

3. I have tried to limit the discussion on this forum to a very simple issue of a hidden birth certificate.
One of the reasons why McCain did not challenge Obama's eligibility is the line of thought expressed by Leo Donofrio (an attorney who filed an eligibility lawsuit against Obama based on the fact that his father was not a US citizen). Donofrio claims that only children of US citizens, born on US soil are natural born citizens, thus eligible to run for presidency. According to him, neither McCain nor Obama fulfill this requirement.
He also found errors on the FactCheck.org site (the same site who "verified" Obama's eligibility) related to Obama's Kenyan citizenship. The same day when Donofrio published his findings, FactCheck.org changed their web site. Here is the link to his blog where he presents evidence to support his claims:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

Thank you Nomo, for encouraging me to investigate the eligibility issue in more detail.

44   nosf41   2009 Sep 7, 10:41am  

You keep repeating lies like a broken record.
Obama has NEVER shown the original birth certificate. The first Certification of Live Birth (COLB) document shown on the DailyKos website was proven to be fake. The second version posted on FactCheck.org is better but also questionable. For sure it is no more credible than the recent document you accused "birthers" of forging.
Obama's document had NOT listed birth hospital nor attending physician.
Given the historical fact that children of hawaiian residents who were born abroad were issued this document, it is very reasonable to ask for a proof of his birthplace.

Several eligibility lawsuits have been filed before Obama became a Democrat party nominee, several more have been filed before general election and some more before he was sworn into office. He is dragging his feet using delaying tactics - now you are accusing people of filing frivolous lawsuits against the "president"?
How much time does it take for him to order a release of the original birth certificate and hospital records?

You are quick to ridicule people who are trying to use their own heads - and not believe in propaganda put by Obama and his cronies in the media. Every day "usurper-in-chief" is doing more damage to this country. The unprecedented loot of public treasury without any transparency is going to bankrupt this country.

Why would we want to give a benefit of a doubt to Obama when he has proven time and again to have a bad judgement and contempt for the Constitution. That is why he is appointing communists to "czar" positions - to circumvent the vetting process during the Senate confrmation hearings.

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