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Yes, in my opinion you are both deep thinking conservatives. And I think that true conservatives never really “mesh” due to their independant thought process and personal moral anchor. I’d really enjoy an hour of debate with you guys at a Dennys over some coffee … the personalitys and intellect would be good for conversation. Thats more-or-less what I meant.

I agree, except I also have a progressive side....which to me simply means that I want programs aimed at the betterment of our society that do not enable the poor to feed off the system and do not allow the rich to manipulate the poor.

TPB has never failed to support his view with thought and real world experience without any mumbo jumbo. I am sure you enjoy this banter as much as he. And you have proven yourself a very good writer and thinker … so it’s all good.

There is so much mumbo-jumbo there that I have a difficult time figuring out which direction he is going with his viewpoints. One moment, he believes in the public option the next he is saying the government cant run any of their programs successfully. Personally, I just think government needs to engage in some LEAN practices found at Toyota. We need to reduce waste, invest in programs that encourage growth of our citizens, and provide incentives to corporations to bring manufacturing back to the USA. Trout has a difficult time clearly articulating his views without going into the whole "George Bush held hands, Obama doesnt have a birth certificate, Clinton did not inhale" rhetoric.

After each and every statement, I keep asking him to stay with the facts. More teaching, less preaching...at this point I dont know if he is communist, socialist, conservative or liberal..I am confused.

"One moment, he believes in the public option "

Class have I ever eluded to the opinion that I support "The Public Option" I still can't get anyone to tell me just what in Fruck it means. I never partake in anything I don't understand and neither should a nation as a whole. (as it is now)

You guys bite every jargon and made up spare of the moment vernacular the Congress criters throws your way. Hell I bet most are just happy to have new buzz words to throw around in Monday morning meetings. These words get used with impunity on being called out on their meaning. Because it is just understood they sound cool but no one expects anybody to know what they mean.

Hence is our Government at work setting the standards for our work force and those who manage them.

In other words I have never supported "The public option" what ever in the hell it might mean.

"After each and every statement, I keep asking him to stay with the facts. More teaching, less preaching…at this point I dont know if he is communist, socialist, conservative or liberal..I am confused."

Then I must be on the right track to truly being an Independent. Surely all parties have some redeeming qualities. People should listen to the proposals and focus less on what affiliations are delivering them.

I sit party-less waiting for Washington and Reagan to reserect.

I was a young tike during those times...all I remember is my dad was working the oil fields in Texas.

Bap33 says

I sit party-less waiting for Washington and Reagan to reserect.

The Potomac will rise again!