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Nomograph says

shrekgrinch says

shrekgrinch

Birther.

Big man make speech like God. Big man like fuck horse but people not discovery.

Nomograph has a bug. Actually I do too, but mine is the flu. I think his might be a software thing.

Troy says

nosf41 says

Much more robust process involves stamping numbers at the time when document is processed by the DoH - this allows them to have total control over birth registration index numbers and they would also know how many births have been registered in the state up to that point without having to count the registrations separately.

Doing more research I see this is probably the case.
We still have the following issues:
1) Obama’s original birth certificate made it into the central office on the 8th — we have the filing date on the short form and the fact that his birth announcement made it into the weekend’s papers, while the Nordykes’ didn’t.
2) We don’t know how the filing date and the actual assignment of a filing number were correlated in time.
So, the prosaic hypothesis might be that the central office collected all received records and assigned them filing numbers at the close of business every Friday.
That Obama’s filing number is so close to Nordyke’s might be statistically improbable, given the 300 or so unfiled records for that week, but we can note that Nordyke and Obama are very close alphabetically, so if the filing was done alphabetically, viola, we’re done here.

You are saying that they would process files on the same date yet Date Filed field would be different? It does not make much sense.

What would be a benefit of arranging record numbers by sorting registrations on weekly basis? It would be a needles hassle. It is much easier to simply process files as they arrive at the office.

Abercrombie's recent statement indicates that there is no long form birth certificate for Obama.

What does Obama think about people who hide things from public:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrvjS0VA4bE

nosf41 says

What does Obama think about people who hide things from public:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrvjS0VA4bE

That's so fricking retarded. You somehow know something is being hidden ? Maybe that database version is all that exists now.

I am looking forward to the moronocracy blowing this up in the next election cycle, but I am WAY over this thread. Did it ever occur to you that it's nothing more than a political strategy to make you and countless others make fools of yourself ?

I didn't like Bush, and he didn't even get the most votes when he won in 2000. Both of his elections were highly questionable and I think he is one of the all time worst Presidents. But I didn't dream up bizarre fantasy strategies for challenging whether he was truly entitled to be the President.

nosf41 says

ou are saying that they would process files on the same date yet Date Filed field would be different? It does not make much sense.

There is no "Date Filed By Registrar" on the original form (as disclosed by the Nordyke copies), so it's unclear what exactly "Date Filed by Registrar" on the Certification of Birth refers to, or that there is any correspondence between this "Date Filed" and when the file number was assigned to certificate. That may have been monthly in 1961 for all we know ; )

If you would like to clarify this to pursue your fraud theories, why don't you go find some more Certifications of Live Birth to compare with the long forms, then we'd have a better idea of how the system worked in 1961.

1961 was 50 years ago now, so probably somebody is still alive from the state office to help us here.

Right know we don't know, and "unknown" is the null hypothesis here, not "fraud!", so there we are.

It would be a needles hassle. It is much easier to simply process files as they arrive at the office.

See, now we're just engaging in useless speculation, where all conspiracy theories inevitably go. If you want to actually build a case of fraud, you have to demonstrate the fraud that was committed.

So far, you have nothing. In fact, I don't even know what your assertions are any more.

Why don't you try to find who was really assigned #10641 if you think the Obama campaign stole that number from somebody born after the Nordykes.

Abercrombie’s recent statement indicates that there is no long form birth certificate for Obama

I wasn't aware he has made a recent statement on this.

Believe it or not, I am sympathetic to the birther argument.

I just put the shoe on the other foot here and imagine all the (D)s being (R)s in the story and what I would want to have done.

While I don't think Obama's long form vault copy is anybody's business but his own, like I said above I think it would be entirely proper to bring in the judiciary here to run through the facts and verify everything (related to the Constitutional requirement of being a natural-born citizen) is on the up & up.

Troy says

Abercrombie’s recent statement indicates that there is no long form birth certificate for Obama

I wasn’t aware he has made a recent statement on this.

There are lots of "articles" on the subject.

You see, here is where nosf41 is getting his "written down" statement:

Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said. But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate. And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health. He said efforts were still being made to track down definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii.

This article is easy enough to find. Fox Nation, Rush Limbaugh, World News Daily, all the usual suspects. A single quote from Abercrombie, and then a whole lot of spin, some in the passive voice like "it became apparent" (to whom and why?), mysteriously with no quotes of any evidence of any kind offered to back up any of it. The original star-advertizer article from which the spin was made is easy to find too.

marcus says

Nomograph has a bug. Actually I do too, but mine is the flu. I think his might be a software thing.

Damn! I was getting kinda hot, too. I love it when he talks dirty.

robertoaribas says

I was the second gunner on the grassy knoll… and I got away with it!

Some 50-odd years later and you spill the beans now? While I'm impressed with your ability to keep a secret so long, I'm saddened that the only time we'll meet will be when I visit you in prison...

marcus says

nosf41 says

What does Obama think about people who hide things from public:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrvjS0VA4bE

That’s so fricking retarded. You somehow know something is being hidden ? Maybe that database version is all that exists now.
I am looking forward to the moronocracy blowing this up in the next election cycle, but I am WAY over this thread. Did it ever occur to you that it’s nothing more than a political strategy to make you and countless others make fools of yourself ?

Abercrombie thought that this was a problem for Obama reelection campaign. That is why he was on a mission to resolve the issue. He was looking for the Kapiolani birth certificate - yet issued a comment that a "written down" thing was found in the archive.

If you want to learn what is wrong with the COLB document posted on FactCheck, read my comments on this thread - no need to post it again.

MarkInSF says

Troy says

Abercrombie’s recent statement indicates that there is no long form birth certificate for Obama
I wasn’t aware he has made a recent statement on this.

There are lots of “articles” on the subject.
You see, here is where nosf41 is getting his “written down” statement:

Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. He told Honolulu’s Star-Advertiser: ‘It actually exists in the archives, written down,’ he said. But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama’s birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate. And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health. He said efforts were still being made to track down definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii.

This article is easy enough to find. Fox Nation, Rush Limbaugh, World News Daily, all the usual suspects. A single quote from Abercrombie, and then a whole lot of spin, some in the passive voice like “it became apparent” (to whom and why?), mysteriously with no quotes of any evidence of any kind offered to back up any of it. The original star-advertizer article from which the spin was made is easy to find too.

What did Mark Evans originally say about conversation with Abercrombie?

nosf41 says

If you want to learn what is wrong with the COLB document posted on FactCheck, read my comments on this thread - no need to post it again.

I searched for "factcheck" on this page, and it seems like you think filing number 61-10641 does not belong to Obama.

That seems like a pretty easy thing to convene a grand jury to investigate -- an outright fraud committed by the Obama campaign back on June 13, 2008.

Posting silly conspiracy theories on the internet, however, is just wasting peoples' time.

nosf41 says

What did Mark Evans originally say about conversation with Abercrombie?

What does that have to do with this? Mark Evans was not the one that did the star-advertiser interview.

MarkInSF says

nosf41 says

What did Mark Evans originally say about conversation with Abercrombie?

What does that have to do with this? Mark Evans was not the one that did the star-advertiser interview.

There is a link to Evans' interview embedded in my comment on this thread from "Monday, 7 Feb 2011 at 9:00 am". Listen to it - it confirms what you said was a speculation by the WND.

This is the quote from the original newspaper article:
"It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie said.

Pay attention to the first part of that statement: "It was ACTUALLY written,..."

To me it indicates that Abercrombie is not talking about a formal document (long form birth certificate) but something else, perhaps a statement from a relative. It contradicts the official story of birth in the Kapiolani hospital.

nosf41 says

MarkInSF says

nosf41 says

What did Mark Evans originally say about conversation with Abercrombie?

What does that have to do with this? Mark Evans was not the one that did the star-advertiser interview.
There is a link to Evans’ interview embedded in my comment on this thread from “Monday, 7 Feb 2011 at 9:00 am”. Listen to it - it confirms what you said was a speculation by the WND.

Errr.... so again, why are you bringing it up when it has nothing to do with the star-advertiser article?

nosf41 says

Pay attention to the first part of that statement: “It was ACTUALLY written,…”

To me it indicates that Abercrombie is not talking about a formal document (long form birth certificate) but something else, perhaps a statement from a relative. It contradicts the official story of birth in the Kapiolani hospital.

To you it indicates? Sorry, that is not very solid evidence. You're just spinning his words.

Troy says

I just put the shoe on the other foot here and imagine all the (D)s being (R)s in the story and what I would want to have done.

I say with the shoe on the other foot, it wouldn't be an issue. Democrats don't have a huge subgroup similar to the republican one that is running with this. Too much class for such silliness. (even if exploring that technicality is a legitimate question).

Troy says

I just put the shoe on the other foot here and imagine all the (D)s being (R)s in the story and what I would want to have done.

I say with the shoe on the other foot, it wouldn't be an issue. Democrats don't have a huge subgroup similar to the republicans that is running with this. Too much class for such silliness. (even if exploring that technicality is a legitimate question).

Troy says

That seems like a pretty easy thing to convene a grand jury to investigate — an outright fraud committed by the Obama campaign back on June 13, 2008.
Posting silly conspiracy theories on the internet, however, is just wasting peoples’ time.

This is where I don't get it. It can't be the Obama campaign because the State of Hawaii backs the certificate as well. So, now we're talking about a huge conspiracy. Democrats, Republicans, clerical workers with no particular party affiliation, etc.. I just don't think it's possible that this could be kept quiet.

nosf41 says

This is the quote from the original newspaper article:
“It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down,” Abercrombie said.
Pay attention to the first part of that statement: “It was ACTUALLY written,…”
To me it indicates that Abercrombie is not talking about a formal document (long form birth certificate) but something else, perhaps a statement from a relative. It contradicts the official story of birth in the Kapiolani hospital.

I do believe that you're right - there is a hidden message that we've all missed. Let's take a moment to delve into this:

"IT WAS..." implies that something occurred, but the statement is wayyyyyyy too vague. What occurred? Why wouldn't he have said what IT was? When did it occur? "ACTUALLY?" Really? Why would he say that, unless someone was questioning him unmercifully even though this tired old subject had been asked & answered a zillion times - and we all know that's not happening. "WRITTEN?" Who wrote it? What date & time did they write it and what were they wearing at the time? Boxers or briefs?

"I AM TOLD." Not I was told, but I am told. He's hearing voices, I know it. "THIS IS WHAT OUR INVESTIGATION IS SHOWING." There's an ongoing investigation? Omigawd! I knew it! Proof that Obama is under top-secret investigation! "IT ACTUALLY EXISTS IN THE ARCHIVES, WRITTEN DOWN..." He already said that. Why would he repeat himself unless he was trying to convince himself?

He could have just as easily said, "The recording of the birth of President Obama DID occurr at the time of his birth and was dutifully noted in the records of the State of Hawaii. The legally accepted record of his birth is being held in the archives of the State of Hawaii in box number xxxx of xxxxxxxxxxx, currently being used as a door prop. This is information that was related to me by xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, who has intimate knowledge of the records of which we speak."

He chose the short form (22 words) rather than to share the long explanation (80 words). What's he hiding from us?

tatupu70 says

This is where I don’t get it. It can’t be the Obama campaign because the State of Hawaii backs the certificate as well.

Actually, according to the birthers the state has done no such thing, there is no process where you can have any particular document verified as legitimate, since no one has a "direct and tangible interest" to pierce Hawaii's privacy laws.

The courts can sort this out, but so far no court has given anyone standing to sue for this remedy either.

Dr Fukino did say this:

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

and

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

So either Dr Fukino is part of the conspiracy or what she's saying is true but the Obama campaign put out a falsified Certification of Live Birth, or . . .

At this point this is just a fishing expedition to dig up dirt on Obama, and a fun way to delegitimize him as a person, citizen, and President.

It's a pretty ugly tactic, but nutso conservatives are pretty ugly people when you get down to it.

If he were white we wouldn't have this discussion at all.

I disagree. Character assassination works on anyone. If his father had been French, or (god forbid) Russian, the republican smear machine would be making these same stinks. This is a great angle to throw crap at Obama and see if any of it sticks. What really makes it awesome is that they get to package their attacks as defending the Constitution (Article II on presidential qualifications).

Jerome Corso, the guy behind this now, did also write the swiftboat book on Kerry.

stillrentinginLA says

If he were white we wouldn’t have this discussion at all.

Three years ago original birthers in the main stream media questioned McCain's eligibility because he was born in Panama.

Once Obama's eligibility was questioned, the same journalists started ridiculing those asking the question.

Troy says

I disagree. Character assassination works on anyone. If his father had been French, or (god forbid) Russian, the republican smear machine would be making these same stinks. This is a great angle to throw crap at Obama and see if any of it sticks. What really makes it awesome is that they get to package their attacks as defending the Constitution (Article II on presidential qualifications).
Jerome Corso, the guy behind this now, did also write the swiftboat book on Kerry.

First eligibility lawsuit was filed by Phil Berg, a registered Democrat. It happened several months prior to 2008 elections.

It should be trivial to prove that Corsi and others questioning Obama are wrong - just show the long form birth certificate from Kapiolani - after all both Obama and Abercrombie are on the record claiming it as the official birthplace.

As the COLB image presented on FactCheck is a forgery - Hawaii will come up with another version that will not have the registration number printed on it - this is the only way they can mask the fact that Obama's birth was not properly registered in 1961 but later on.

nosf41 says

It should be trivial to prove that Corsi and others questioning Obama are wrong - just show the long form birth certificate from Kapiolani

That's not necessarily the best defense against smear merchants. The certification of live birth is literally conclusive prima facie evidence that all the conspiracy theorizing is just more swiftboating bullshit.

You think the 2007 certification is fraud, prove it. The ball is in your court now.

As the COLB image presented on FactCheck is a forgery

So far that is an assertion with the thinnest of evidentiary backings imaginable. All you have is that Obama's filing number is two digits higher than the second Nordyke twin's, which was accepted by the state registrar later that week.

Good luck with that.

marcus says

Troy says

I just put the shoe on the other foot here and imagine all the (D)s being (R)s in the story and what I would want to have done.

I say with the shoe on the other foot, it wouldn’t be an issue. Democrats don’t have a huge subgroup similar to the republicans that is running with this. Too much class for such silliness. (even if exploring that technicality is a legitimate question).

I have to agree. This is the party that spent millions of dollars of TAXPAYER money to investigate Clinton on allegations about the Lewinsky affair, and then IMPEACHED him for what amounted to an indiscretion with an intern, and lying about it.

On the other hand, there were rumblings on the left about impeaching Bush for what amounted to lying about matters of national security (go back and look at Powell's testimony the UN - it's amazing how much of it was MADE UP) but Pelosi made it very clear when she was running for re-election in '06 that impeachment was off the table if she became speaker.

And of course you've got the media nutjobs like Beck and Rush, which have large followings. Olbermann is probably the closest thing on the left, with his largish following and hyper-partisan rhetoric, but at least he has respect for proper sourcing of information.

nosf41 says

First eligibility lawsuit was filed by Phil Berg, a registered Democrat. It happened several months prior to 2008 elections.

Berg is just a lunatic with a law degree. That's hes a registered Democrat is hardly relevant, since we was not acting on behalf of anybody in the D party. He also brought suit alleging Bush administration conspired to cause 9/11. Please tell me you're not a Truther, too...

tatupu70 says

Troy says

That seems like a pretty easy thing to convene a grand jury to investigate — an outright fraud committed by the Obama campaign back on June 13, 2008.

Posting silly conspiracy theories on the internet, however, is just wasting peoples’ time.

This is where I don’t get it. It can’t be the Obama campaign because the State of Hawaii backs the certificate as well. So, now we’re talking about a huge conspiracy. Democrats, Republicans, clerical workers with no particular party affiliation, etc.. I just don’t think it’s possible that this could be kept quiet.

nosf41 posted a link to an interview with Mike Evans above. In the interview Evans says that Abercrombie told him there is no birth certificate. He later strongly recounted this:

“Only this I can you tell you is 100 percent fact: that Neil never told me there was no birth certificate,” Evans told Fox News. “I never talked to him.”....“I haven’t talked to Neil since he’s been governor.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/

I'm sure nosf41 knows this, yet he cites him as evidence. Truly astonishing! And if you look at the birther blogs, it appears the consensus is that he was somehow forced to back off though threats of some kind.

The conspiracy expands!

I never really looked in to the birther movement much until the last few days. What really strikes me is how readily they are to believe anything no matter how discredited the source, and think very little of the fact it's shown to be wrong. They'll keep bringing up old things that have been disproven.

The whole Birther thing reminds me of Whitewater. I remember these crack pots droning on and on and on about how Hillary killed some guy in the middle of the night.

The time you start talking about date-stamps and filing numbers is the time the average American's eyes begin to glaze over and begin nodding off.

We've all met THAT GUY at the party who is loudly telling everyone that such and such conspiracy happened, and the President is to blame.

Whitewater was going no where, and the Republicans got lucky with Monica Lewinsky. Unless Obama actually fucked an intern with his long form birth certificate, this conspiracy story is nothing more than a meaningless distraction.

A meaningless distraction I hope continues through 2012.

SoCal Renter says

The whole Birther thing reminds me of Whitewater.

Calls for the "long form" is mainly just a fishing expedition, to see what they can dig up.

Though I do think they have every right to have the 2007 print-out verified with the state of Hawaii.

MarkInSF says

tatupu70 says

Troy says

That seems like a pretty easy thing to convene a grand jury to investigate — an outright fraud committed by the Obama campaign back on June 13, 2008.
Posting silly conspiracy theories on the internet, however, is just wasting peoples’ time.

This is where I don’t get it. It can’t be the Obama campaign because the State of Hawaii backs the certificate as well. So, now we’re talking about a huge conspiracy. Democrats, Republicans, clerical workers with no particular party affiliation, etc.. I just don’t think it’s possible that this could be kept quiet.

nosf41 posted a link to an interview with Mike Evans above. In the interview Evans says that Abercrombie told him there is no birth certificate. He later strongly recounted this:

“Only this I can you tell you is 100 percent fact: that Neil never told me there was no birth certificate,” Evans told Fox News. “I never talked to him.”….“I haven’t talked to Neil since he’s been governor.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/
I’m sure nosf41 knows this, yet he cites him as evidence. Truly astonishing! And if you look at the birther blogs, it appears the consensus is that he was somehow forced to back off though threats of some kind.
The conspiracy expands!
I never really looked in to the birther movement much until the last few days. What really strikes me is how readily they are to believe anything no matter how discredited the source, and think very little of the fact it’s shown to be wrong. They’ll keep bringing up old things that have been disproven.

1. Have you listened both versions of Evans' testimony?

In the first interview his thoughts flow fluidly when he talks about discussing things with Abercrombie the day before.

Yet several days later he is talking about not discussing the issue with the Governor but with his office. He pauses often and it is clear that he thinks about what to say.

He is a reluctant witness. Plenty of those in Oakland and Hunters Point area of SF. Is it a conspiracy against the police and courts or a self-preservation act?

2. Government is hiding public information that would enable us to find out the truth about the birthplace issue: passport records for Obama's mother, registration index 10641, confirmation that DoH issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007.
These are trivial requests that should be routinely accommodated in a country governed by the rule of law.

Are you afraid that Obama lied about his birthplace?

Would someone please put this thread out of its misery.

marcus says

Would someone please put this thread out of its misery.

Oh, no. I'm enjoying watching a dead horse being beaten. It's like a dead squirrel that's been run over in the road - it keeps getting flatter & more grotesque.

nosf41 says

Are you afraid that Obama lied about his birthplace?

No, there's simply no sane reason for a 18yo pregnant woman to leave her parents and go deliver the baby somewhere else in the world like Canada or Kenya. Then again his mother wasn't really acting all that rational in the early 60s, so who knows . . .

but I wouldn't take the either side of the bet that Frank Marshall Davis isn't the father : )

That would actually click into place several themes of Obama's childhood, even how he ended up in Chicago . . .

Though looking at Obama's half-brother:

it's not as likely as I was thinking it was last week. Not that they look particularly alike, but I was thinking Obama's skin tone as a muslim kid growing up in Hawaii and Indonesia was a bit too light for a "2nd generation" African-American:

Troy says

nosf41 says

Are you afraid that Obama lied about his birthplace?

No, there’s simply no sane reason for a 18yo pregnant woman to leave her parents and go deliver the baby somewhere else in the world like Canada or Kenya. Then again his mother wasn’t really acting all that rational in the early 60s, so who knows . . .

If there was no sane reason for a 18 yo pregnant woman to give birth abroad - there must be evidence in her passport records confirming that she did not return to USA with a newborn baby.

This information is supposed to be in public domain - government employees should follow the law and release it. Hiding this information only increases suspicion that they are covering for Obama.

robertoaribas says

ummm, who gives a $hit? seriously?
I lived in Spain till I was 7, then I grew up mostly here. The fact that I was born in Orlando, 6 months before my family moved there means what? I can barely remember Spain, and that was 7 years, do you really think he’d suddenly be a different person if he came into the country at age 6 months?
Good grief, Thank Bhuda for free internet, it least it keeps you raving idiots off the streets!

Few years ago "raving idiots" were talking about pending housing collapse while experts were laughing at them.

APOCALYPSEFUCK says

This crisis of legitimacy can be resolved with one phone call to the INS and one phone call to President Palin who is, of course, the rightful winner of the 2008 election cycle.

Palin didn't run. In order for your conspiracy to work, McCain would have to be dead. Of course, given his appearance, we aren't sure whether he's still alive... He also might be holding a vast amount of food storage in those cheeks. He could remain in this state of suspected animation for years. That, too, would invalidate your theory of President Palin.

I mean, Reagan thought he was filming a movie and that the whitehouse was a set... at least in an SNL skit. ;)

shrekgrinch says

SoCal Renter says

This is just a bald face assertion. Where is the proof that this isn’t real. It is real by virtue of Hawaiian law

Hawaii has both forms. The ’short form’ saves money. It is just MERS for cheap states like Hawaii. It isn’t a copy of the real deal, like I have for my California birth certificate.

Short or long, the form above is real and legal proof of citizenship. To require any other form requires proof of a forgery or a fraudulant document. None of the Birther propoganda reaches that threshold. Sorry, you lose.

Now, if we had dozens of qualified whistleblowers coming out alleging fraud, it might be a different story. But all parties involved substantiate the form as real and legal, from the State Department of the United States to the Governor of Hawaii.

shrekgrinch says

SoCal Renter says

Pass laws in battleground states that require complex proofs of citizenship, i.e. mandating that vital records must be removed from the original vault and submitted to each state authority for personal inspection (despite this practice of vital record removal being illegal in the originating state),

I haven’t heard anything about this. I’ve only heard/seen new laws that require a valid copy of the long form, not the original long form itself OR a sworn affidavitt (and thus subject to criminal prosecution of the candidate gets caught lying) or both. Can you point me to some sources that state the new states are requiring the ORIGINAL b/cs? Nobody can get those so nobody would qualify to be a candidate for Pres and Veep, so I highly doubt your information is accurate…or did you just pull it out of your ass?

Try to contain yourself. From January 31st, 2011:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/arizona-birther-bill-deny-obama-reelection

The birthers have a plan to end Barack Obama's presidency—and in Arizona, they're making progress.

Last week, Arizona state Rep. Judy Burges, a Republican, introduced a bill that would bar presidential candidates who do not prove they were born in the United States from appearing on the ballot in the Grand Canyon state. And state Rep. Chad Campbell, the top Democrat in the GOP-controlled Arizona House of Representatives, tells Mother Jones that the bill is likely to pass. It was introduced with 25 co-sponsors in the House and 16 co-sponsors in the state Senate; the measure needs 31 votes in the House and 16 in the Senate for approval. "Will it matter?" asks Campbell. "We've started a tradition here of passing legislation that is political grandstanding or that sets up litigation."

But the birthers—those ardent Obama foes who believe the president was not born in Hawaii and, thus, is not constitutionally qualified serve as president—see this measure as more than symbolic. For them, it's part of a well-orchestrated campaign to deny Obama reelection.

But what if a candidate does not have a long-form version of his or her birth certificate, and the state where he or she was born could not locate a copy—say, it was lost in a fire, or simply misfiled? Would he or she be out of the running? The law also demands the candidate produce an "original" long-form birth certificate. Does that mean a copy wouldn't suffice?

Birthers are ecstatic about the Arizona move. "It could be a game-changer," declares WorldNetDaily, a conservative site run by Joseph Farah, a leading birther. "Imagine if just one or two states adopt such a measure before 2012," Farah says. "Obama will be forced to comply with those state regulations or forgo any effort to get on the ballot for reelection. Can Obama run and win without getting on all 50 state ballots? I don't think so."

shrekgrinch says

Obama can get a copy of the hospital issued ‘long form’ original any time he wants, if he doesn’t already have it. So, either he will or won’t based ENTIRELY on him. This has nothing to do with any ‘grand conspiracies’ no more than getting a social security card or a driver’s license or passport does.

It's not on him to produce anything. In fact, Obama gets to sit back and watch the Birthers take over the Republican Party while he out politics them. He's single-handedly taking away each and every one of their issues as the rabid CPAC and Tea Party crazies devour the remaining moderates in the Republican Party. The man is starting to look like a political genius.

Elliemae, even if HUSSEIN Obama had the birth certificate tattooed on his ass, he would need a raised seal to validate it. Would he need that implanted in his butt cheek? If so, would the implant stay in place? And, if he does have an implant, doesn't that mean he could have been abducted by a UFO?

I think you all have it completely wrong. I think that since he can't produce any honest go goodness and real long form certificate of LIVE birth, that he wasn't even born at all. Different questions come to my mind.

He could have been hatched. Didn't any of you see Mork and Mindy? When Jonathan Winters was born he was hatched from an egg that Robin Williams had to tend. And people of Ork age in reverse. At middle age, we just couldn't tell if he was aging like a true red blooded American human being. I think we should pay attention to see if he's starting to look imperceptively younger. We don't want our country ruled by a small child, now do we?

Now, there is always the possibility that he was born, but it wasn't a live birth. That would confirm an ealier poster's theory that HUSSEIN Obama is undead and possibly a Vampire. However, if he is undead he could be a zombie. Has anyone seen him eat? Does he crave brains? I mean he is part of the smarty pants liberal elite so perhaps he absorbs "intelligence" through eating brains of honest hard working white American humans.

And, since he was raised in a Madras in Indonesia, we all know that his momma skipped the good ol' USA for that commie socialist nazi country, he is actually a Muslim. And we all know that Muslims aren't really human at all. They're Satan worshipers who are spawned from the 9th ring of Hell. He received his programming in that Madras in Indonesia.

Later in his life he went to Kenya where he dressed up as a Kenyan and learned to subvert whitie. If he claims to be an American, he should know that he's only 3/5ths of a person as another poster mentions above (if he is human at all). I think his stint in Kenya was an attempt to make him seem human and possibly African, but definitely a Muslim since all Kenyans are no good Muslims.

And where did he meet his wife, Michelle? Didn't they meet at some commie socialist nazi day camp where they were "educating" white kids on the merits of fascist socialism? Are we sure that Michelle is human? Has she shown her certificate of live birth? I mean if HUSSEIN Obama were to reproduce, he'd have to do it with a being of his own kind. What does that make the kids? And what if this is the start of some alien commie socialist nazi dynasty that will pass to the kids?

We better watch the White House to see if there are any nests or other hatchlings, or if there are any open graves, or if brains are on the menu regularly.

This goes way beyond the short form or the long form. Where is the valid long form of the honest to goodness and real certificate of LIVE birth? That's what I want to know.

Oh he's got a "Long Form" you betcha, I heard all them colored boys have one.