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jdeppe says

1. K-12Teachers have 185 days off/year; University professors have more.

Whereas by your misleading way of counting, workers with two weeks vacation get 120 days off. That is 52 weekends, plus the 10 days vacation time, plus 6 or so holidays.

But some teacher work a lot on their weekends (grading and planning).
Nights too. And some take jobs in the summer too. Many good teachers would burn out without the time off. It's not a normal job.

Your choice of looking at say 55K as their yearly salary, with all that time off is a misleading way of framing it, for all these reasons.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Vicente, keep enjoying my 9.3% state income tax!

Y'all have some illusion that the UC systems hoovers up your state income taxes? I know, it's HARD looking things up instead of pulling them out of your ass.

I hear back in the 1970's that the state funding covered almost everything, and nobody paid tuition. Proposition 13 has gutted that, as intended. Those days are long gone. I mean I *wish* we enjoyed your state tax revenue but frankly California uses a lot of of it to build prisons and lock up potheads now.

At this point, you could eliminate state funding entirely and you know what? It would be painful but I don't think we'd even have to close that boondoggle in Merced. So take your "I'm a taxpayer genuflect before me BS" to some other window to complain.

Vicente says

I hear back in the 1970's that the state funding covered almost everything, and nobody paid tuition. Proposition 13 has gutted that, as intended.

The cut back was due to baby boomers leaving the education system. It was not
due to prop 13. Prop 13 was due to other issues.

Vicente says

I mean I *wish* we enjoyed your state tax revenue but frankly California uses a lot of of it to build prisons and lock up potheads now.

go out and buy up some more Lottery tickets... that will increase tax revenues.

thomaswong.1986 says

Vicente says

I hear back in the 1970's that the state funding covered almost everything, and nobody paid tuition. Proposition 13 has gutted that, as intended.

The cut back was due to baby boomers leaving the education system. It was not

due to prop 13. Prop 13 was due to other issues.

The boomers fucked everything up in this state...and country

doctor professor, thanks a lot for sharing your feelings about The California Taxpayer.

Can I quote you on that?

JH says

The boomers fucked everything up in this state...and country

really ? you mean the Boomers who created and worked in Silicon Valley.

... or do you mean the Lefties who came here from the Liberal East Coast.

PST... the UBER lefty Nancy Pelosi who came from Maryland..

thomaswong.1986 says

really ? you mean the Boomers who created and worked in Silicon Valley.

Silicon Valley worshippers think they are the ENGINE & BRAINS of the entire universe. They are entitled SOB's who view all things outside SV as a support base and source of servants. Like many doddering film stars past their prime, they still think they are 20 and everyone is hanging on their every word and funny story.

Definitely Boomer stereotype.

However technically the Baby Boomers were born 1946-1964. Here's the founders of Fairchild Semiconductor in 1957, any of these guys look pre-teen to you?

Vicente says

Silicon Valley worshippers think they are the ENGINE & BRAINS of the entire universe. They are entitled SOB's who view all things outside SV as a support base and source of servants. Like many doddering film stars past their prime, they still think they are 20 and everyone is hanging on their every word and funny story.

No we are not the brains.. you would not find such claims in decades past.. that is more akin to east coast thinking... they are arrogant enough to make such claims.

There are plenty of baby boomers who worked in the tech industry since the 50s.
Is that all you can point to the half dozen founders..

Vince.. what state did you migrate from.. and when ? ..
was it Georgia as you stated in your prior posts ?

What the fuck do you know about CA or Prop 13 .. why should the state be
spending on empty building and drop in student enrollment as the Baby Boomers
left the school system. Of course we cut spending why not ?

Only idiotic state workers wanted to keep spending when it was no longer needed.
I call that greedy and selfish.

Quigley says

There's barely any employee turnover where I work. People leave because they are retiring (with pensions), not because some CEO decided to "increase productivity" with layoffs and firings

Government job, I assume.

thomaswong.1986 says

that is more akin to east coast thinking...

Now wait a minute, that's my region you're talking about :-)

thomaswong.1986 says

What the fuck do you know about CA or Prop 13

All I need to know. Native Californians are blind to the pervasive perversion it causes throughout real estate. Prop 13 entitlement is like Trust Fund Babies, they are happy to reap the benefits and completely ignore the consequences. Say you inherit gramps' house and pay $1,000 in taxes and the guy buying next door NEW pays $10,000 a year in taxes well you just feel smug for "getting in early" when in fact you just won a birthright lottery. It's complete bullshit that Californians allow this "screw the newcomer" policy to continue to exist. I've seen the stultifying effect in rental properties, as long as you enjoy absurdly low taxes there is zero incentive to sell it you just rent it forever. So you end up with a "landed aristocracy" who hoover up rent and contribute little or nothing, and making no property improvements. And of course the same applies to commercial properties, so you create a "business aristocracy" e.g. Disney who pay pennies in property taxes and enjoy unfair advantages over newcomers.

Vicente says

Prop 13 entitlement is like Trust Fund Babies, they are happy to reap the benefits and completely ignore the consequences. Say you inherit gramps' house and pay $1,000 in taxes and the guy buying next door NEW pays $10,000 a year in taxes well you just feel smug for "getting in early" when in fact you just won a birthright lottery

Wrong ! Prop 58 did that, not prop 13....

http://assessor.lacounty.gov/extranet/guides/prop58.aspx

Vicente says

It's complete bullshit that Californians allow this "screw the newcomer" policy to continue to exist.

I bought in early 90s when prices were no different than 1975 adjusted for inflation. The idiots who came to CA since 2000 have been overpaying overbidding doubling and triple prior sales prices ... They deserve to get screwed since so many are greedy pushing prices higher. Try explaining normal decade over decade home prices to some idiot from NYC or Boston ?

Vicente says

And of course the same applies to commercial properties, so you create a "business aristocracy" e.g. Disney who pay pennies in property taxes and enjoy unfair advantages over newcomers.

More bullshit ... commercial and all industries pay real and personal property taxes on all the new improvements and business equipment on the land. Yes, they pay taxes on the new company autos/planes/boats, office equipment, lease improvements, furniture and fixtures and all other business related equipment. When was the last time home owners paid personal property tax on their appliances, furniture, and electronics?

Last manufacturing company I worked at had over $75Million of taxable assets basis across 50,000 sq ft. What do you think the annual property tax bill was like?

Vicente says

Native Californians are blind to the pervasive perversion it causes throughout
real estate. Prop 13 entitlement is like Trust Fund Babies, they are happy to
reap the benefits and completely ignore the consequences

While there may be excesses, it is better than the alternatives. Many midwest states have very high property taxes-the majority of which goes to the school district. In some places it exceeds 3% -making it very unaffordable for long time residents, the disabled and folks on a fixed income. The govt should have to tighten its belt and come up with new and innovative solutions and not just keep gouging the residents.

It is high time to take alook at public eduction and decide if we should go back to private eduction. Then you can choose to live where you want and send children to the school you want-and not chase after good school districts and pay a premium.

You can always get a government job, brain isn't required, and you'll get the kinds of perks and retirement benefits that are not available for most in the private sector... courtesy the hard working taxpayers.

thomaswong.1986 says

Wrong ! Prop 58 did that, not prop 13....

A quibble at best.

Prop 58 would not matter so much, if Prop. 13 didn't exist. Granny Grundy got low taxes for 30 years, then passed on and willed it to your parents, who got the benefit, and so on, and so on.

In my home state, sure they have exceptions on tax increases for seniors, disabled so on. But ONLY for those people during their lifetime. Healthy young family, sorry doesn't matter when you bought everyone's rates are the same. You live in a neighborhood it's become too expensive to pay the taxes all of a sudden? You sell the house for a fat profit because you probably live in some neighborhood that has become fashionable. The entire basis of Prop.13 is BS.

FortWayne says

You can always get a government job, brain isn't required, and you'll get the kinds of perks and retirement benefits that are not available for most in the private sector... courtesy the hard working taxpayers.

If that were true, unemployment would always be at 0%. There are a limited number of slots available, and a lot of people go for them because it's easy.

egads101 says

Quigley says

Just go on welfare and your entire life becomes a vacation! It's wonderful!

right wing douche bags always say this; they prefer to believe the meme that welfare is some easy way to live without working, instead of actually spending some time researching the subject.

You know that single mothers not getting support for their kids are the number one demographic on welfare?

Who am I kidding, right wing douche bags never know anything, they just pop off opinions and refuse to ever turn their brains on.

When my wife got laid off, we figured it was the perfect time to have a kid. We got $600 bucks a week from unemployment for two years. Whenever she got pregnant, she planned to quit anyway. Instead, we got a bunch of free money.

jdeppe says

If you know how to play this game, you can find the loopholes:

1. K-12Teachers have 185 days off/year; University professors have more.

2. Many nurses work 3 twelve hour shifts/week; per diem nurses set their own days and hours.

3. Seasonal employment in Alaska is good if you can land a Davis Bacon job (~$40/hr)

I love how people think just because you aren't in your place of work that you are off. I suggest you go give teaching a try. My most recent school year, from September to June, I might have gotten a total of 10 days where I didn't work. And most of that was due to the fact that I was without power due to Hurricane Sandy.

lostand confused says

Many midwest states have very high property taxes-the majority of which goes to
the school district. In some places it exceeds 3% -making it very unaffordable
for long time residents, the disabled and folks on a fixed income.

And most, if not all, have exemptions for those things too. Turning 65 has a lot of perks, or more so than the day before when you were 64.

theoakman says

I suggest you go give teaching a try.

Teaching is one of the worst/hardest professions there is. It's basically just baby-sitting the children of deadbeat parents. There's little time left to teach the few kids with parents who actually give a shit. And the pay is lousy relative to the level of responsibility.

I would never want to become a teacher. Never never never.

FortWayne says

You can always get a government job, brain isn't required, and you'll get the kinds of perks and retirement benefits that are not available for most in the private sector... courtesy the hard working taxpayers.

This is such off the charts retarded propaganda.

The truth: IF you took 100 random government jobs. They would be jobs like, clerk, secretary, DMV person, teacher, cop, fireman, mail man, social worker, security guard, custodian, administrator, web developer,programmer etc.

Most of these are very real jobs, not that much different than in the private sector. Yes some of them have some benefits that FW is envious of. Some of them have contracts, which guarantee them certain benefits in exchange for committing to very demanding or somewhat dangerous jobs, starting at low pay, with contractual increases over time etc., and part of the salary paid in the form of contributions to pensions. The employees usually contribute a significant percentage of their salaries to these pension funds as well.

There's a lot of BS propaganda about all of this, and the union factor.

There are problems in some cases. Cities or states that haven't managed their finances well, and so on.

But jeez. So much stupidity concentrated in one person. How is that possible ?

people have never in all of history worked as much as Americans do today.

Americans barely spend time in their houses anymore. It's !@#$ing ridiculous. In case you feel bad, just watch some of the rich people on TV enjoying their lives, it's almost as good as the real thing.

MershedPerturders says

people have never in all of history worked as much as Americans do today

We also probably consume more than any other nation in history. But not sure if the pain of work justifies the joy of consumption.