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It's Bush's fault.

From Saturday 21 February 2004

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver

I bet one could Googleize the latest report from the military.

New Renter says

I'm not attacking you but I don't see how this paper is the smoking gun you are presenting it as. This paper is also nearly 15 years old, perhaps you have something more recent?

I'm attacking you but I don't see how this paper is the smoking gun you are presenting it as. This paper is also nearly 15 years old, perhaps you have something more recent?

HEY YOU says

It's Bush's fault.

Guess it was Bush some 8,200 years ago that caused climate change as well ? Nothing more than politics, with no real solutions...

"Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated."

This guy in the You Tube OP is just another conservative, Fox apparatchik, "chicken little liberal grant magnet" buzz kill.

Why does he hate profitable scientific hysteria? I bet he holds large positions in gas and oil.

Here's something the idiot media won't tell you. The Earth's temperature has always been regulated by the Sun's 11 year solar cycle, whereby it warms-up for 6 years and then cools-down for 5 years. You can't fight Mother Nature. We are just now finishing the Sun's 6 year warming cycle from 2008-2014. The sun will now cool-down from 2014-2019.
This Solar cycle has been documented for the past 200 years or more.

http://www.universetoday.com/103803/solar-cycle-24-on-track-to-be-the-weakest-in-100-years/

carrieon says

This Solar cycle has been documented for the past 200 years or more.

No point... its not inline with the Lefts agenda... they have their own so
called Science !

monkframe says

So anyone can post a video on Youtube and you believe what they're saying? Dude, go back to school, you're an innocent

Not that passes the logic test. If you or one of the other "believers" are a product of "school" I will pass.

indigenous says

monkframe says

So anyone can post a video on Youtube and you believe what they're saying? Dude, go back to school, you're an innocent

Not that passes the logic test. If you or one of the other "believers" are a product of "school" I will pass.

God forbid you listen to someone who learned through academic research or *gasp* read a book

No, the gold standard for quality scientific information is whatever is posted anonymously on an internet real estate forum.

Everyone knows that!

New Renter says

God forbid you listen to someone who learned through academic research or *gasp* read a book

The hoopla started with an inconvenient truth is that academic?

I like the link carrieon posted. Not as much hoopla, but has been quite good a predicting stuff for quite some...

New Renter says

God forbid you listen to someone who learned through academic research or *gasp* read a book

Even Academic researchers are full of self interest egos and political interest groups. Global warming in the USA or Europe today, is no more than self interest groups looking for a hand out, cronism.

Global warming isnt our fight.. we gave that up once we allowed Environmentalist to kill off our manufacturing and lost our factories
to China. Had we had manufacturing in the USA and Europe, than
we would have curtailed or fixed the problem long ago.

Bottom line.. if you have a problem with pollution, go see
India and China about it...

indigenous says

New Renter says

God forbid you listen to someone who learned through academic research or *gasp* read a book

The hoopla started with an inconvenient truth is that academic?

I like the link carrieon posted. Not as much hoopla, but has been quite good a predicting stuff for quite some...

Predicting damage to satellites and terrestrial electrical systems perhaps. Global climate change? Lets see some data where your favorite model fits later empirical data with a reasonable correlation.

thomaswong.1986 says

New Renter says

God forbid you listen to someone who learned through academic research or *gasp* read a book

Even Academic researchers are full of self interest egos and political interest groups. Global warming in the USA or Europe today, is no more than self interest groups looking for a hand out, cronism.

Nice broad brush you have there.
thomaswong.1986 says

Global warming isnt our fight.. we gave that up once we allowed Environmentalist to kill off our manufacturing and lost our factories

to China. Had we had manufacturing in the USA and Europe, than

we would have curtailed or fixed the problem long ago.

Funny I thought it was evil unions and expensive American workers that forced the job creators to offshore. Instead its those damn dirty hippies!

Its all Nixon's fault!
thomaswong.1986 says

Bottom line.. if you have a problem with pollution, go see

India and China about it...

Or your neighborhood asshole who insists on using his charcoal grill every #"@$& day in the summer.

Oh wait, that's me!

New Renter says

Funny I thought it was evil unions and expensive American workers that forced the job creators to offshore. Instead its those damn dirty hippies!

A number of reasons why jobs left offshore, and certainly even those dirty hippes turned CEOs sing the same tune... even though they are Dems and Obama supporters..they echo the similar comments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-biography-obama_n_1022786.html

"You're headed for a one-term presidency," he (Steve Jobs) told Obama at the start of their meeting, insisting that the administration needed to be more business-friendly. As an example, Jobs described the ease with which companies can build factories in China compared to the United States, where "regulations and unnecessary costs" make it difficult for them.

Jobs also criticized America's education system, saying it was "crippled by union work rules," noted Isaacson. "Until the teachers' unions were broken, there was almost no hope for education reform." Jobs proposed allowing principals to hire and fire teachers based on merit, that schools stay open until 6 p.m. and that they be open 11 months a year.

New Renter says

Nice broad brush you have there.

Sad but true from what I have seen during my life. I dont see many in Science try to balance out the need of the people and a healthy economy. They come off as being some lefty central planning nut case.

New Renter says

Or your neighborhood asshole who insists on using his charcoal grill every #"@$& day in the summer.

Oh wait, that's me!

Small fries... we had major forest fires for centuries and no one put them out..

New Renter says

Predicting damage to satellites and terrestrial electrical systems perhaps. Global climate change? Lets see some data where your favorite model fits later empirical data with a reasonable correlation.

Yup just like clock work. Look at the link by Carrion.

You guys bickering about the facts instead of solutions.

I still think an engineered solution of setting off some nukes in remote places not populated by humans to inject a calibrated amount of debris into the atmosphere will do the job. Dispersal of the radionuclides will be noise compared to what is dispersed already from various man made sources like Fukushima, etc. Climate change is a much more grave threat to overall global health.

In that case though we better hope a Krakatoa type event does not follow our solution.

indigenous says

Yup just like clock work. Look at the link by Carrion.

I did but you clearly have not. There is NO correlation with the global temperatures anywhere in his link. None at all.

B.A.C.A.H. says

You guys bickering about the facts instead of solutions.

I still think an engineered solution of setting off some nukes in remote places not populated by humans to inject a calibrated amount of debris into the atmosphere will do the job. Dispersal of the radionuclides will be noise compared to what is dispersed already from various man made sources like Fukushima, etc. Climate change is a much more grave threat to overall global health.

In that case though we better hope a Krakatoa type event does not follow our solution.

Fun facts:

2.1×10^17 J yield of the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever tested (50 megatons)

8×10^17 J estimated energy released by the eruption of the Indonesian volcano, Krakatoa, in 1883

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28energy%29

I was watching a documentary where the designer of the Tsar Bomba was interviewed. The 50Mt Tsar Bomba test yield was smaller than the bomb's design allowed for - it had been dialed back to allow the bomber crew a chance to escape the explosion (even at 60 miles away the aircraft was hit hard by the shock wave). That bomb was designed to go up to 100Mt. He claimed the design could have gone much, much more powerful but at volumes above 100Mt the column breeches the atmosphere and the extra energy is simply dissipated to space. So yes it is possible to make a SINGLE H bomb more powerful than the 1883 Krakatoa explosion.

Gotta love human ingenuity!

New Renter says

There is NO correlation with the global temperatures anywhere in his link. None at all.

The main factor is that if a politician is saying it you know it is a lie. Where would this trope be if not for Al Gore?

Consult the farmer almanac it is based on the same thing

"Absent from most headlines about global warming is a discussion of measures suggesting that the warming has ceased and a cooling may have begun. For example, deep-ocean heat content has not increased during the past five years. Looking at just one year, from January 2007 to January 2008, we find that satellite-derived atmospheric temperatures indicate that Earth was about one degree Fahrenheit cooler at the beginning of 2008 than it was at the beginning of 2007. The United Kingdom's Hadley Centre ocean and land temperature records show cooling in the last seven to ten years."

http://www.almanac.com/content/case-cool-climate

indigenous says

New Renter says

There is NO correlation with the global temperatures anywhere in his link. None at all.

The main factor is that if a politician is saying it you know it is a lie. Where would this trope be if not for Al Gore?

Consult the farmer almanac it is based on the same thing

"Absent from most headlines about global warming is a discussion of measures suggesting that the warming has ceased and a cooling may have begun. For example, deep-ocean heat content has not increased during the past five years. Looking at just one year, from January 2007 to January 2008, we find that satellite-derived atmospheric temperatures indicate that Earth was about one degree Fahrenheit cooler at the beginning of 2008 than it was at the beginning of 2007. The United Kingdom's Hadley Centre ocean and land temperature records show cooling in the last seven to ten years."

http://www.almanac.com/content/case-cool-climate

So your answer is politicians lie and your scientific evidence for your rebuttal is the Farmers Almanac?

You watch a lot of daytime TV don't you?

New Renter says

So your answer is politicians lie and your scientific evidence for your rebuttal is the Farmers Almanac?

That and the logic of the video I posted. You bet.

And yours is ubiquitous conjecture.

By virtue of the fact that what I espouse to is predicative and yours is not mine by definition is scientific and yours not so much...

indigenous says

New Renter says

So your answer is politicians lie and your scientific evidence for your rebuttal is the Farmers Almanac?

That and the logic of the video I posted. You bet.

And yours is ubiquitous conjecture.

By virtue of the fact that what I espouse to is predicative and yours is not mine by definition is scientific and yours not so much...

I think you are mistaking science for truthiness:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

indigenous says

That and the logic of the video I posted. You bet.

Holy cow, you're dim. That's my priori evaluation.

New Renter says

I think you are mistaking science for truthiness

Nope i think you don't know this definition of the scientific method.

rooemoore says

Holy cow, you're dim.

Not in this crowd.

indigenous says

New Renter says

I think you are mistaking science for truthiness

Nope i think you don't know this definition of the scientific method.

indigenous says

If you or one of the other "believers" are a product of "school" I will pass.

Yep, you're confusing truthiness for science fact.

Its a common mistake among those who are too cool for school.

New Renter says

Yep, you're confusing truthiness for science fact

Nope the scientific method by definition predicts phenomenon, e.g. gravity predicts that an apple will fall to the ground.

HEY YOU,
You dumass why did you have to post the the same link @ 45 & 46?
Why don't you learn how to edit?

The Professor says

CO2 vulnerable plants

Which plants are those?

From the little I have seen on the topic- C02 is good for plants-some say adding more carbon would aid crop growth, some are skeptical but I haven't seen anything that says plants are harmed by it.

Anyone have info on this?