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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050323124659.htm

You have some strange ideas about how women are in the developing world..This is 2014, even in their world...They have TVs..They see how americans live. They aren't subservient against their will..

What they don't have is need to compete with men..They don't want to be like men. They are above all that crap. They don't need to go out and work "twice as hard as men" to prove anything. They don't need to see shrinks to talk about their feelings...They don't have the need to try for the impossible dream of "having it all". They don't put their "career" above everything else..(neither does the husband)..

Just watch one of those shows like "THE REAL HOUSEWIVES of ____"....Those women are a joke compared to a unselfish, loving, family oriented,strong, hard working woman..I'm talking about latin america BTW..

1) Latin America is pretty Catholic, therefore quite influenced by traditional church teachings.

2) A couple of seasons of "The Real Housewives..." isn't going to derail lifetimes of societal expectations.

3) Evolutions of the mind don't happen overnight. Furthermore, they require education and means, both of which are somewhat lacking in developing countries.

lostand confused 2014 Jul 22, 10:56pm

Indiana Jones says

turtledove says

I'm so impressed that you invented stuff. Men only had a thousand-year head start on women!

Try three-thousand, at least!

Typical excuses. You know there are a gazillion drunks-men-who sit in the bar and say the same thing and tell tall tales of how they would run the country if they were given the choice.

One thing I notice in successful men/women is that they do not use excuses and live in alternate realities. They take charge and get things done . Do you ever hear meg Whitman or even Sarah Palin complain about it being tough for women. When you pass gender based laws like Obozo's equal pay-expect to be judged by gender. If you are willing to stand as a person-expect to be treated as a person. Can't have it both ways.

55 mell 2014 Jul 22, 11:42pm

New Renter says

mell says

It's not that simple.

Why not? There is just one chromosome which distinguishes male from female. Find the differences in the genes contained between the X and Y chromosomes and you should find the "happier to stay at home and nest" gene...

Unless its not actually genetic but something else.

There are more differences, also it depends on gene expression and silencing which can vary from individual to individual and is also influenced by environment and nutrition.

What's your explanation for the past thousand years of male and female behavioral patterns?

56 mell 2014 Jul 23, 12:58am

turtledove says

Without naming names, you say things like, "men created all the technical advances that we enjoy today; women can't/won't do it" and "women are going against some genetic need to be subservient."

What choices did we have when it was considered a SIN to teach a woman to read or for her to give the mere appearance of putting herself above a man?

I think everyone agrees that women should have equal access to science and perform any job they want like they have been doing for quite a while. The problem is with laws giving an edge such as affirmative action as well as with putting down women who like to stay at home or halt their career for raising children. When you read articles about rising divorce rates and falling birth rates in other cultures blamed on patriarchy you have to keep in mind that it works still much better over there than here. If the goal is to discourage marriages and kids (some say we are overpopulated anyways), then modern America is certainly doing something right.

Rin 2014 Jul 23, 1:05am

If the goal is to discourage marriages and kids (some say we are overpopulated anyways), then modern America is certainly doing something right.

Now that's an interesting causation idea.

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 1:49am

Too much TV for the dove..

Brings to mind those TV shows that are popular now where women single women are police detectives. Woman leaves the house at the crack of dawn. She's out on the street dodging bullets all day then she's at the bar till late evening with the boys drinking single malt scotch winding down. Get's home around 9-10 at night and spends 10 minutes talking to her kid..Sounds like a wonderful life.

next day, rinse and repeat.

its all part of the marketing, that women can actually have lives like this.

do you really think that this 'businesswomen'/CEO life is actually realistic for most women? not even close. Mothering is a full time job. They just sell these feminist ideas to the public because it keeps the population in check, they don't actually delivery any 'equality' to women at all.

Peter P 2014 Jul 23, 1:54am

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 1:59am

The Original Bankster says

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

and where will the nannies come from? the third world? so feminism is basically a form of elitism?

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 2:00am

it goes without saying that only a small handful of people can have feminism.

62 dublin hillz 2014 Jul 23, 2:01am

The Original Bankster says

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

To the extent that day care centers exist, the function can be outsourced and be considered cost effective if daycare costs are significantly less than tanking the woman's salary to become a stay home mom. Just the cost of doing business...

Peter P 2014 Jul 23, 2:02am

Peter P says

The Original Bankster says

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

and where will the nannies come from? the third world? so feminism is basically a form of elitism?

You can hire a British nanny. Just make sure your baby is neither shaken nor stirred.

Peter P 2014 Jul 23, 2:05am

dublin hillz says

To the extent that day care centers exist, the function can be outsourced and be considered cost effective if daycare costs are significantly less than tanking the woman's salary to become a stay home mom. Just the cost of doing business...

You may also need to outsource housework. This is why hired help makes sense for those who truly can afford kids.

65 dublin hillz 2014 Jul 23, 2:08am

I was talking about real mexicans that live in mexico...that's a whole different
thing no matter what anybody tells you.

The fact that latinos in united states are changing the patterns of behavior and gender role expectations compared to "real mexicans" as you put it (sound like palin's "real americans" by the way lol...) reflects the fact that some of their cultural traditions were not to everyone's liking and are malleable if proper opportunity presents itself.

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 2:10am

Peter,

this plans works for so long as women continually and aggressively demand some kind of vague re-compensation for their supposed 'discrimination'. Theyve been at this for what 20 years? how much will they swipe from the public in just to make their stupid TV dream work?

you look at any women 'thought leader' and that's basically all she has to say- here's the forumula - CONVENTIONAL THOUGHT + WOMEN CAN DO THAT TOO. Take any area of economic development and it literally takes just days for a "_____ GIRL" to show up on twitter with absolutely nothing to say aside from 'im a girl and im in this field!'

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 2:12am

dublin hillz says

komputodo says

I was talking about real mexicans that live in mexico...that's a whole different

thing no matter what anybody tells you.

The fact that latinos in united states are changing the patterns of behavior and gender role expectations compared to "real mexicans" as you put it (sound like palin's "real americans" by the way lol...) reflects the fact that some of their cultural traditions were not to everyone's liking and are malleable if proper opportunity presents itself.

actually if you look closely the more traditional mexicans get incredibly jealous and protective of their women knowing that in the US they have the tendency to declare their "independence" divorce, and turn the hombre into a paycheck like the other amerilosers.

68 mell 2014 Jul 23, 2:16am

Peter P says

The Original Bankster says

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

and where will the nannies come from? the third world? so feminism is basically a form of elitism?

It works for Marissa Mayer, who builds a gigantic crib/daycare for her kid(s) at her office with company money while revoking the work from home policy for all her employees. Genius!

Peter P 2014 Jul 23, 2:17am

Peter,

this plans works for so long as women continually and aggressively demand some kind of vague re-compensation for their supposed 'discrimination'. Theyve been at this for what 20 years? how much will they swipe from the public in just to make their stupid TV dream work?

you look at any women 'thought leader' and that's basically all she has to say- here's the forumula - CONVENTIONAL THOUGHT + WOMEN CAN DO THAT TOO. Take any area of economic development and it literally takes just days for a "_____ GIRL" to show up on twitter with absolutely nothing to say aside from 'im a girl and im in this field!'

I have never supported gender equality and I will never support such cause. This is because any kind of "equality" is philosophically perverted.

We should just let everyone thrive and live with the result.

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 2:21am

The Original Bankster says

Peter P says

The Original Bankster says

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

and where will the nannies come from? the third world? so feminism is basically a form of elitism?

It works for Marissa Mayer, who builds a gigantic crib/daycare for her kid(s) at her office with company money while revoking the work from home policy for all her employees. Genius!

works for Marissa Mayer- poster girl for NuCalifornia where all your liberal dreams come true. If you want to buy this crap then go right ahead, let us know how it all works out.

71 mell 2014 Jul 23, 2:28am

works for Marissa Mayer- poster girl for NuCalifornia where all your liberal dreams come true. If you want to buy this crap then go right ahead, let us know how it all works out.

Must have forgotten the irony tags - I think yahoo is doomed. But this is one of the cruelest moves I have ever seen from a CEO and it came from one of our poster power-women.

Peter P 2014 Jul 23, 2:32am

Why do people still work at Yahoo?

NDrLoR 2014 Jul 23, 2:34am

Cultural traditions are NEVER to everyone's liking no matter where you live

"Cultural traditions" are always used to justify any kind of behavior if they are the traditions of a foreign land. If they are the cultural traditions of America, then they are automatically considered invalid.

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 2:34am

The Original Bankster says

works for Marissa Mayer- poster girl for NuCalifornia where all your liberal dreams come true. If you want to buy this crap then go right ahead, let us know how it all works out.

Must have forgotten the irony tags - I think yahoo is doomed. But this is one of the cruelest moves I have ever seen from a CEO and it came from one of our poster power-women.

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it's all a massive joke. The feminism thing was clearly ignited by the usual suspect rich families. Gloria Steinem admitted that most of her 'fish needs a bicycle' nonsense was done while she was working for the CIA.

to summarize- feminism was a ploy to get women to give up their natural source of happiness and trade it for a taxable myth role that they will never truly live up to and will bill the average joe for all their problems. In general liberalism is a collection of nonsense memes that are designed to permanently cripple the working class sociologically. they have us in a constant discussion about butt sex, chopping your dick off, etc. while they eviscerate public funds.

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 2:35am

Why do people still work at Yahoo?

CUZ ITS LEAD BY A WOMEN.

they can do errything man can do!!!!!!!!!!

76 mell 2014 Jul 23, 2:36am

Why do people still work at Yahoo?

Pressure to pay the bills? They had good APIs and technology such as YUI, email and search algos - Yahoo finance was decent as well. Now with Marissa they have Alibaba ;)

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 2:38am

Peter P says

Why do people still work at Yahoo?

Pressure to pay the bills? They had good APIs and technology such as YUI, email and search algos - Yahoo finance was decent as well. Now with Marissa they have Alibaba ;)

as soon as Marissa showed up it was quite clear that Yahoo was shit.

actually my metric is that the moment they put up women leaders it's the most desperate PR move they can make and it's an undeniable sign that the company isn't worth nearly anything they pretend it is.

you can measure it yourself. The moment you start hearing 'equality' then profitability is about to take a nosedive.

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 2:39am

Women do not make good leaders. they are not decisive and will give into whatever the mob demands of them, it's in their nature.

Peter P 2014 Jul 23, 2:42am

Energy in creating "equality" is better spent in putting yourself on the right side of the inequality.

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 2:43am

Energy in creating "equality" is better spent in putting yourself on the right side of the inequality.

good old Peter turning a moral dilemma into a personal opportunity.

Asians FTW

Peter P 2014 Jul 23, 2:51am

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/06/25/childlessness-up-among-all-women-down-among-women-with-advanced-degrees/

good old Peter turning a moral dilemma into a personal opportunity.

It is not personal if applied universally. :-)

I support "woman power" movements, just not "equality."

Besides, what is the dilemma? The world is better when everyone does his/her best to improve himself/herself.

82 edvard2 2014 Jul 23, 3:14am

This whole weird conversation is like we are all in some time machine and the year it has gone to is 1950. Its just ironic that some of the people making these gross generalizations about women are also some of the most vocal when it comes to civil rights ( which they should be ). So in some ways some of these folks are really showing their true colors. Very interesting...

Peter P 2014 Jul 23, 3:21am

edvard2 says

This whole weird conversation is like we are all in some time machine and the year it has gone to is 1950.

Most people are bigots of some sort. Now it is even easier behind an online identity.

That said, "equality" is a self-limiting philosophy. Why stop there? Everyone ought to excel.

Heraclitusstudent 2014 Jul 23, 3:59am

Whatever the reasons, the fact kept under cover is that working life isn't working too well for women in the US:

- 18% without kids at 40, more like 25% if they have a master.

- "72 percent of women without kids believe that they can't balance work and home life either, and a staggering 70 percent of women overall are struggling with their well-being. In fact, 65 percent of women say they are "just trying to get by," and more than 40 percent of women surveyed say they are "hanging on by a thread.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-dallacamina/forget-about-leaning-in-more-than-40-percent-of-women-are-hanging-on-by-a-thread_b_5475085.html

85 MMR 2014 Jul 23, 4:26am

Maybe if they are legal......If illegal, probably not.....if the guy gets deported he will just pay a coyote to bring him back anyway.....but not likely that there will be much of a payoff for the female in terms of child support if a divorce among illegals happens.

actually if you look closely the more traditional mexicans get incredibly jealous and protective of their women knowing that in the US they have the tendency to declare their "independence" divorce, and turn the hombre into a paycheck like the other amerilosers.

MisdemeanorRebel 2014 Jul 23, 5:43am

Men have no reproductive rights. Why should I be arsed about women's, given that most women think men not having any reproductive rights is 100% correct.

The Original Bankster 2014 Jul 23, 5:49am

thunderlips11 says

Men have no reproductive rights. Why should I be arsed about women's, given that most women think men not having any reproductive rights is 100% correct.

we have no reproductive right but we have complete and total childrearing liabilities.

Peter P 2014 Jul 23, 5:54am

Peter P says

Just look at homes built in the 1950's. Shitboxes. Enough said.

You mean when houses were built out of real material and are still standing compared to the pressboard and vinyl, stapled together shitboxes they sell now.

Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt

Homes built in the 1930's and before are still standing. They are architecturally more interesting too.

I hate Eichlers. Are they even safe in a fire? Cold during the winter and hot during the summer. Classic.

89 carrieon 2014 Jul 23, 6:00am