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FortWayne says

Liberals despise women who want to be stay at home moms, out of bitterness.

FortWayne says

If a woman does not do both work and work as a doctor than you are not a human. Liberals despise women who want to be stay at home moms, out of bitterness. It's just like previous hateful liberal comments toward stay at home moms that were made during Obama election.

There's definitely some animosity out there towards stay-at-home moms which is shameful.

Mell

Just out of curiosity, what do you read?

You have exponentially more (quantitative and qualitative) knowledge of current affairs than most.

FortWayne says

I live in CA, it's a liberal mecca.

Most of CA is redneck territory. Only the major cities are liberal.

FortWayne says

Every woman can't be a doctor like your sister, who is probably much smarter and accomplished than you

I take no offense at that; she's my sister and is damn smart like everyone in my family. Intelligence is mostly genetic. That's unfortunate for your children.

FortWayne says

Liberals despise women who want to be stay at home moms, out of bitterness.

Bullshit. I'm a liberal and I have no problem with a woman or man deciding to be a stay-at-home spouse regardless of whether or not they have children.

The fact is assholes like Reagan made it necessary for any family that plans to have children to have two incomes. A single median income is not sufficient to raise a family in this country anymore thanks to your demigod Reagan. He squeezed out the middle class.

If you really wanted women to have the option of being stay-at-home moms, you'd do everything to reverse every single economic policy made by the Republican Party in the past 40 years. Economics, not liberal culture, is the reason women don't have the option of not working.

FortWayne says

Dan8267 says

Bullshit. First off, there are no factories in America. This is the 21st century, not the 19th. I know you live in the 19th century, but the rest of us don't.

Today people work in offices.

Here you go folks, liberal mindset in action there brought to you by Dan. If you do not work in an office, it's get an office job or fuck you.

Never let facts get in the way of your beliefs.

Since we're making Straw Man arguments, have you cut down the number of farm animals you molest each week to just 12 like you promised for New Year's, FortWayne?

You assertions are so fucking disingenuous.

FortWayne says

Dan8267 says

By the way, women who work aren't force out of motherhood. My sister is a doctor, which is a damn hard profession that takes a lot of skill, education, and hard-work, and she is also a mother. So fuck you.

More liberal hatred in action by Dan. If a woman does not do both work and work as a doctor than you are not a human. Liberals despise women who want to be stay at home moms, out of bitterness.

Way to turn a statement of pride in one's sister into an attack on women. On a conservative would attempt such an outlandish lie. There is nothing I said that even remotely suggests contempt for jobless women, whether they are married or single, parents or childless. You are simply trying to deflect from the truth.

The fact is that you conservatives attempted to pass laws to literally have women raped when they sought abortions. Regardless of your stance on abortion, using rape as a deterrent is fucking evil. So no, you don't get to make up some bullshit to defect the conservative War on Women onto liberals.

Everything you say is a direct contraction of the facts. We liberals believe that each person, man or woman, should be empowered to decide what they want to do with their lives including whether or not to pursue a career. It is you conservatives that want to force your will onto women.

Tell me and the rest of the world, exactly what problem you have with a woman making that decision for herself.

SoftShell says

let's see...dan sez "there are no factory jobs in america".....

OMG, I used a literally technique called exaggeration to make a point. A person with common sense would have realized that as the phrasing "there are no jobs in X anymore" is a common expression.

The fact is that factory jobs have plummets as shown by the graph I posted above.

But don't give me this bullshit that there are multitudes of people looking for factory jobs. That's not the reality of our economy anymore. And for you to portray that the typical 21st century American worker is a factory worker is either the epitome of ignorance or a spineless lie.

In any case, you missed the point. Reagan's fanboy was arguing that women should not be allowed either by social convention or law -- he's never clear how he wants to enforce his edicts -- to pursue gainful employment or run a business. They should all be barefoot and pregnant and anyone who says different is a misogynist. Now that's some serious bullshit.

So, do you support FortWayne's idea that women are only for breeding and raising children? Go on, support him.

mell says

There's definitely some animosity out there towards stay-at-home moms which is shameful.

Absolutely, but it's not us liberals doing it. It's the leftist pseudo-feminists.

By the way, animosity towards stay-at-home men or working women is every bit as shameful.

Liberals believe every person owns his own life and should be allowed to pursue happiness as long as he isn't infringing upon the rights of others. Everyone else is an asshole because to say that someone else owns a human being's life is utterly despicable.

What right does any asshole have to force you to spend what extremely limited time you have in life doing what they want you to do?

Actually Danny your graph is a little out of date, you need to stay current on these matters.

There was this little thing called mercantilism that allowed both China and Japan to meteorically grow, thank you very much Fed, since 1971.

Now both of them are realizing the dangers of such growth and low and behold it is growing in the US again.

Another factor that many don't realize that well over half of the economy is capital goods but this doesn't show up on any stats. But the thing is that the US is really good at making capital goods. In fact the largest manufacturing country in the world way ahead of China.

Also the labor is going down in manufacturing as it did with farming but you cannot conflate manufacturing employment with manufacturing GDP.

indigenous says

Actually Danny your graph is a little out of date

Quite trying to change the subject. This is an argument over the current state of manufacturing in the U.S. Remember what started this irrelevant tangent of factories?

FortWayne says

1) There is no war on women, the only war on women is by liberals who want to force them out of motherhood into factories.

Fort Wayne is stupidly stating that liberals are trying to force women to give up having children so they can be laborers in factories like children where in the 19th century. That's total bullshit.

He's stating this to distract from the fact that you conservatives have been waging a war on women.

You want to keep arguing about this and I'll start posting mountains of evidence regarding that war on women and the real life women affected by it.

Dan8267 says

Quite trying to change the subject. This is an argument over the current state of manufacturing in the U.S. Remember what started this irrelevant tangent of factories?

I didn't bring it up you did, I was just pointing out that your conjecture is wrong.

indigenous says

I was just pointing out that your conjecture is wrong.

My conjecture that the careers that women today are in white-collar industries not hammering away at assembly lines?

Do you know what the number one major is for college women? According to Forbes magazine it's business.

That's right, business, not working in a steel mill. So my "conjecture" as you call it is right.

Here's the top nine majors.

1. Business
management, sales, consulting, finance
2. Health Professions and Related Clinical Sciences
nursing, physical therapy
3. Social Sciences and History
teaching, sales, research
4. Education
elementary teaching, secondary teaching
5. Psychology
counseling, teaching, sales
6. Visual and Performing Arts
teaching; design and graphic arts; performance and entertainment
7. Communication and Communication Technologies
sales, public relations, management
8. Biological and Biomedical Sciences
research, teaching, medical technology
9. English Language and Literature/Letters
teaching; writing and editing; sales; management

Notice how now of them involve factory jobs.

Of course, this whole bullshit tangent on factories is just a red herring thrown in by you conservatives in order to distract from the conservative war on women.

Which brings us back to the beginning. Conservatives want life to be just like it is in the Middle East just with a Christian Theocracy instead of a Muslim one.

It is just that your graph is plummeting and mine is skyrocketing, whatever the point your conjecture towards manufacturing is wrong.

There is however much conjecture about womens inequality as they make slightly more than a man if they work the same hours and years. What the mutts fail to consider is that women have different values and tend to work fewer hours.

indigenous says

What the mutts fail to consider is that women have different values

Tell that to FortWayne. He thinks everyone should behave exactly the same way, the way he wants.

Dan8267 says

Tell that to FortWayne. He thinks everyone should behave exactly the same way, the way he wants.

WTF gawd you libbys are insufferable.

Dan8267 says

Most of CA is redneck territory. Only the major cities are liberal.

More liberal elitist hatred as shown by Dan. If you folks don't live in a big city, well you know what Dan and his liberal friends think of you. We already know what he thinks of stay at home moms, we already know what he thinks of people who do not work office jobs, and now this. I think liberals hate just about everyone who is not a gay office worker, because even straight office employees are probaby on Dans chopping block.

Dan8267 says

I take no offense at that; she's my sister and is damn smart like everyone in my family. Intelligence is mostly genetic. That's unfortunate for your children.

Sounds like that "gene" skipped you somehow. Congrats to your sister though.

Dan8267 says

Notice how now of them involve factory jobs.

Since when did factory workers go to college?

How about the millions of people that are in Service oriented jobs working at stores and restaurants?

Lots of dopey college kids got big expensive degrees where there isn't much demand or alot of pay (Psychology, Performing Arts, English Lit) and end up working in the Service industry pouring my coffee at Starbucks.

FortWayne says

I live in CA, it's a liberal mecca.

Dan8267 says

Most of CA is redneck territory. Only the major cities are liberal.

FortWayne says

More liberal elitist hatred as shown by Dan. If you folks don't live in a big city, well you know what Dan and his liberal friends think of you. We already know what he thinks of stay at home moms, we already know what he thinks of people who do not work office jobs, and now this. I think liberals hate just about everyone who is not a gay office worker, because even straight office employees are probaby on Dans chopping block.

Wow, can FortWayne do anything but lie?

How weak is your position that you find yourself compelled to make outlandish and untruthful personal attacks against your opponent instead of debating the actual issues. I've never seen such a blatant and transparent Ad Hominem. You should become the new example of this fallacy replacing

Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

Well, if we're going to fight this out with Ad Homenins, then I have to say that no one should believe anything FortWayne says because he's a pedophile and a terrorist, also he's a witch. He turned me into a newt. I got better. Burn him!

FortWayne says

Sounds like that "gene" skipped you somehow. Congrats to your sister though.

I showed my sister some of your posts. She said you were an idiot.

Dan8267 says

5. Psychology

counseling, teaching, sales

To be clear here we're talking about mind fucking people into believing things against their best interest.

Not the kind of Psychology that prevents James Eagan Holmes and the Adam Lanza of the world. If anything these people majoring in corporate brainwashing, and Liberal conditioning, create more of them.

Dan8267 says

no one should believe anything FortWayne says because he's a pedophile and a terrorist, also he's a witch. He turned me into a newt. I got better. Burn him!

Real mature there Dan. You really need to grow up to be able to handle adult conversation.

Dan8267 says

I showed my sister some of your posts. She said you were an idiot.

So childlike... you liberals are something.
Did you show it to your mommy for approval too, seeking concensus in the family of "geniuses"?

FortWayne says

Real mature there Dan. You really need to grow up to be able to handle adult conversation.

It's called a mirror. If you don't like what you see in it, you have no one to blame but yourself.

In an adult conversation, you don't falsely accuse the other person of hating everyone else.

Dan8267 says

It's called a mirror. If you don't like what you see in it, you have no one to blame but yourself.

In an adult conversation, you don't falsely accuse the other person of hating everyone else.

You should have your sister explain that to you, since she's got all the smarts in your family. You are not there yet Dan.

FortWayne says

You should have your sister explain that to you, since she's got all the smarts in your family. You are not there yet Dan.

Way to show that "maturity" and "adult conversation". If you can't take it, don't dish it out. At least the insults I fling at you are accurate and are based on your actual statements, not made up bullshit like yours.

I'd have more respect for a conservative who actually stood up for what he believed with the real reasons he believed it, no matter how bad those reasons are, than for a conservative like you who is so ashamed of his true motivations that he has to hide behind lies.

This is a bit above your pay grade Dan, you first need to do some growing up before continuing. Feel free to consult with your sister again, she's the smart one in the family according to you.

FortWayne says

This is a bit above your pay grade Dan

My pay grade is a lot higher than yours.

Speaking of demeaning women. This is an actual Republican campaign ad.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/eXnkvnemSSI

Dan8267 says

Speaking of demeaning women

You already said enough nasty things about stay at home moms Dan, just give it up before you completely fall on your face.

You know, this thread demonstrates an important point. Republicans love to play the role of the victim when they are not. Here's a Young Turks clip that illustrates the point.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/c5JiAug780E

Stay at home "moms" or stay at home whoevers are unnecessarily increasing the financial risk of the household in the name of raising the children. Obviously, a hypothetical household of $100,000 based on 2 adults making $50K each is in lesser financial danger than one adult making $50K with a stay at home "mom" or even a single income of $100K with a stay at home mom.

Dan8267 says

Speaking of demeaning women. This is an actual Republican campaign ad.

Yeah - this is better. Lena Dunham in an Obama Ad saying "your first time" should be Obama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6G3nwhPuR4

How about the "The Life of Julia" cartoons where it basically says that a woman needs government welfare her whole life?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2KmRI-S4A

Not demeaning at all!

dublin hillz says

Stay at home "moms" or stay at home whoevers are unnecessarily increasing the financial risk of the household in the name of raising the children. Obviously, a hypothetical household of $100,000 based on 2 adults making $50K each is in lesser financial danger than one adult making $50K with a stay at home "mom" or even a single income of $100K with a stay at home mom.

My wife is a stay at home Mom. I make just enough to be able to comfortably swing it living in SoCal. We were certainly more flush when she worked full time and we had no kids. But I wouldn't change anything for the world.

Once you factor in all the day-care costs, added stress and exhaustion to the family - it's just not worth it IMO. I really can't imagine working a full time job and have to also deal with the kids. Big caveat that one of the earners has to make enough money.

Dan8267 says

Speaking of demeaning women. This is an actual Republican campaign ad.

Dan that's not offensive, and I understand understanding this is again above your pay grade since you are a typical liberal these days. But you have to learn one day that many men and women want to be married and be good parents, and that's what that ad is about. Something you won't understand, responsibility isn't your thing.

But for the 4th time Dan you are showing your ignorant liberal hatred toward women. Liberals despise any women who likes the idea of marriage and raising a family. Liberals are only interested in women who work, dont marry, and hate men.

Liberals despise family women, stay at home moms, anyone who is not a single feminist dike liberals just hate. Your team is ran by loonies Dan, and you are drinking the coolaid.

FortWayne says

Liberals despise any women who likes the idea of marriage and raising a family.

Nope, you're a lying sack of shit. Liberals have no problem with stay at home moms. It's you conservatives that shit on women if they have to work to raise that family because Reagan killed the middle class.

The median household income, and this is for a dual income family, is $51,900 according to the 2013 stats from the Census Bureau. That's barely enough to raise two kids. Any medical, legal, or career disaster and the family goes impoverished.

Now image if one of those two incomes is lost. Then the income goes down at least to $30,000. That family loses its home. And all this because of conservative economics brought to you by Reagan.

If you actually gave a damn about women staying at home, you'd oppose everything Reagan did because the common mother doesn't have the luxury of not working because of Republican economic policies.

And speaking about despising families, how do you feel about gay men and lesbians adopting? Yeah, I thought so. Total hypocrisy. Assholes like you would keep children in state-run orphanages instead of with loving parents simply because they have the same genitals. Your family values are fake.

Dan8267 says

Nope, you're a lying sack of shit. Liberals have no problem with stay at home moms.

Not true Dan, even you posted above some snobbish comments about how all women should be working, and how marriage is an insult to you (you are such a strange chick). And you are not the first, I've heard plenty of crazy feminists make snobbish comments at stay home moms during the Obama campaign. It got so bad, that Obama had to tell them to cool it.

Dan8267 says

The median household income, and this is for a dual income family, is $51,900 according to the 2013 stats from the Census Bureau. That's barely enough to raise two kids. Any medical, legal, or career disaster and the family goes impoverished.

Then they should not have kids.

The two-income trap is partly caused by the housing bubble.

Dan8267 says

And speaking about despising families, how do you feel about gay men and lesbians adopting?

I totally support gay and lesbian adoptions. It takes a village to raise a child. All couples, gay or straight, should have others in the support system anyway.

Peter P says

Dan8267 says

The median household income, and this is for a dual income family, is $51,900 according to the 2013 stats from the Census Bureau. That's barely enough to raise two kids. Any medical, legal, or career disaster and the family goes impoverished.

Then they should not have kids.

The two-income trap is partly caused by the housing bubble.

Dan if everyone will make double, prices will simply double. Hamburger isn't going to stay $5, it'll become 10. Prices always rise when there is more money floating around.

FortWayne says

Not true Dan, even you posted above some snobbish comments about how all women should be working, and how marriage is an insult to you (you are such a strange chick).

1. Show me the quote where I stated that all women should be working.

2. Show me the quote where I stated that marriage is an insult.

3. The fact that you attempted to degrade me by referring to me as a "chick" demonstrates unequivocally that you believe it's degrading to merely be a woman.

So much for,
FortWayne says

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

Modern feminist liberals are some of the worst kind of people in the world.

Hypocrisy much? Sounds like you got some hatred of women.

No just the crazies on the left who hate men and women that don't share their opinion.

FortWayne says

Dan if everyone will make double, prices will simply double.

No, that's not how economics works. If every household's wealth production doubles, then goods should cost half as much as a function of an hour of labor. If that doesn't happen, it's because parasites wearing stupid elephant pins have redirected the wealth from those hard working Americans producing it to the lazy asses who produce nothing.

The entry of women into the workforce should have made the middle class family wealthier and more financial stable. It had the opposite effect because scumbag conservatives used the doubling of the work force to destroy the bargaining power of labor and to exploit that labor.

So, yes, the reason why most women don't have a choice about whether or not to work is because of scumbags like your hero Reagan.

Dan8267 says

No, that's not how economics works. If every household's wealth production doubles, then goods should cost half as much as a function of an hour of labor

Nope Dan, it would be inflation. You don't even got the basics man.

FortWayne says

inflation

Inflation, if you mean currency debasement, is an independent effect.

Inflation, if you mean cost of living increases, is caused by a real drop in working wages, again, thanks to Reagan.