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dublin hillz says

Many apple users have classic profile of secular cultists. Jehovah witnesses may learn a thing or two from them.

I'm one of them. Apple is as close to God as divinely possible.

Are you an iPhone user? Congratulations! You're probably smarter than the Android owner sitting next to you.

A new study conducted by online advertising network Chitika found that states with more college graduates tend to also have higher iPhone sales.

A perfect example of a poorly written article with incorrect conclusions that only the gullible would fall for. The second sentence does not follow from the first.

First of all, never listen to surveys conducted by advertising companies. They are not interested in truth, the enemy of adverting, but rather persuading people to believe things that are not true.

Second, the study doesn’t compare the actual preference of platform (Android or iPhone) as correlated with college graduation, which isn’t intelligence anyway. It just says that states with more college graduates have more iPhone sales than states with fewer college graduates. The fact is that most college students are in places where the artsy-fartsy culture prefers Apple products or any shit product that you put an Apple logo on.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/v9JQsXPd41U

Yep, those are the freaking geniuses you're bragging about.

Third, there is no comparison between the actual intelligence, or even academic performance, of Android users vs iPhone users.

Most importantly, it doesn't matter what percentage of a platform's users are intelligent. What matters is what platform intelligent people prefer. A platform could be loved by both the smartest and the dumbest people in the world. Appeal to dumb people doesn't imply an inferior platform. However, appeal to smart people does imply a superior platform. So ask yourself, which platform do you think most physicists and mathematicians prefer?

Finally, Android will be the winner of the Android-iOS war just like the PC won the PC-MAC war and for the exact same reasons. Android is an open platform that anyone can contribute to, whereas iOS is a proprietary platform owned and controlled by Apple for its own benefit.

Apple lost the computer architecture war. It's failures in that war are numerous.
- Apple QE 2 failed
- Lisa failed
- Macintosh (a Motorola architecture) failed
- Power PC (not actually a PC, but RISC-based) failed
- Finally Apple gives up and starts using PCs, which all Apple computers except phones and tablets are today.

Apple lost the OS wars. Windows still exists. Mac System 9 was the last operating system that Apple made. Does that surprise you? You think that iOS is an operating system because of it's name? Well, I hate to break it to you, but marketing companies lie. iOS is operating system in the same way that Madonna is British, in pretend only.

The last operating system Apple made, System 9, sucked ass so fucking bad that they completely abandoned the attempt to even maintain or write operating systems. Instead Apple decided to use Unix which had recently been made popular again by Linus Torvalds' release of his version, Linux, as free open source. Everyone at Apple should give half their salary to Torvalds. They wouldn't have a desktop OS, a tablet OS, or a phone OS without him. Their entire bread and butter for the past 15+ years is owed to Torvalds.

Anyway, your iPhone runs the same operating system as my Android, Unix. If you look at the file system, which most iPhone users are too dumb to even be able to do, you'll see the same directory structure and same files, more or less, as are on any Android phone.

iOS and Android are not operating systems. They don't operate the system. They are platforms. iOS is a crappy, unmanaged platform, whereas Android is a Java-based, and therefore managed, platform. You can think of Android as being a better version of Java micro-edition. JME tried to reduce JSE (Java Standard Edition) to fit primitive mobile devices. Android extends JSE to take advantage of all the capabilities of advanced mobile devices.

Android is technically superior in many ways -- I'm tempted to write 10 pages on this alone, but I'll let you Google it if you are interested. It is also a platform that supports developers rather than being a centralized, greedy system like everything Apple does. Ultimately Android is going to win over iOS just like the PC won over Macintosh and all other Apple computers.

Any product that has captured the most market share is generally going to conform closer to average than the niche product.

Apple users are certainly the most smug, so this article may have been written to confirm their bias, encouraging them to continue to spend more money for negligible differences in function.

Strategists,

You may want to conduct a study to verify that Apple haters are either ex-Apple badges or early AAPL investors who sold at a big loss and any tech investors who miss the gigantuan gain (100 folds, 10000%) in AAPL since the return of late Steve Jobs. Quoting plunders by Apple management (led not by Steve Jobs) is laughable.

Dan8267 says

Android is technically superior in many ways -- I'm tempted to write 10 pages on this alone, but I'll let you Google it if you are interested. It is also a platform that supports developers rather than being a centralized, greedy system like everything Apple does. Ultimately Android is going to win over iOS just like the PC won over Macintosh and all other Apple computers.

Look, all that techie jargon goes over my head. I am a simple guy with simple needs. When I turn on something I expect it to work perfectly, easily and every single time. It must also look beautiful with cutting edge technology. The only company that delivers everything is "Apple" and Apple alone. Since the last one year, every computer, every phone every laptop in our home has been an Apple.
Every Apple product works seamlessly with each other every time. There is a reason why Apple is the most valued company on earth. No other company even comes close to the achievements made by Apple. When the Apple Watch comes out, I will get it the very first day.

Call it Crazy says

I think Dan should write a short novel telling us his thoughts...

Oh wait....

Call it Crazy wrote a book about his thoughts...

Call it Crazy says

I think Dan should write a short novel telling us his thoughts...

Oh wait....

Oh Gawd. He might actually do it.

Strategist says

I am a simple guy

No one is arguing that.

However, if you don't know the difference between an engine and a dashboard, then your opinion on cars isn't worth shit.

operating system = engine
graphical shell = dashboard

Strategist says

Since the last one year, every computer, every phone every laptop in our home has been an Apple.

Me, since 1997 for iMac/PB/MBP/MBA, since 2001..., since 2007 for iPhone, since 2010...

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

I am a simple guy

No one is arguing that.

However, if you don't know the difference between an engine and a dashboard, then your opinion on cars isn't worth shit.

operating system = engine

graphical shell = dashboard

You are dead wrong here. The only opinion that counts is the opinion of the consumer that would buy the product. It does not matter what the world's engineers might say on a product. If the consumer says it's bad....it's bad.

hanera says

Strategist says

Since the last one year, every computer, every phone every laptop in our home has been an Apple.

Me, since 1997 for iMac/PB/MBP/MBA, since 2003..., since 2007 for iPhone, since 2010...

My only regret.....I did not go all Apple earlier. I hesitated due to the high cost, but now realize you get what you pay for.

Strategist says

The only opinion that counts is the opinion of the consumer that would buy the product. It does not matter what the world's engineers might say on a product. If the consumer says it's bad....it's bad.

Exactly.

Strategist says

The only opinion that counts is the opinion of the consumer that would buy the product.

The consumer is told what to want by Apple. Apple fanboys follow mindlessly. Jimmy Kimmel demonstrated this.

In contrast, the opinions of the knowledgeable mean a great deal. We have per-emptive multitasking and networking because of the opinions of the knowledgeable.

hanera says

Strategist says

The only opinion that counts is the opinion of the consumer that would buy the product. It does not matter what the world's engineers might say on a product. If the consumer says it's bad....it's bad.

Exactly.

Of course, following that philosophy, you'd have to say that Apple's long line of products: QE2, Lisa, Mac, PowerPC were all bad and that Windows is great.

You'd also have to say that Internet Explorer is the best browser in the world.

'Nuff said.

Dan8267 says

Finally, Android will be the winner of the Android-iOS war just like the PC won the PC-MAC war and for the exact same reasons.

Seeing what happen to Compaq, Dell, HPQ, INTC and MSFT, really love that history would repeat similarly for iOS. HPQ, INTC and MSFT are still trading below ATH established in 1999/2000. Can't find tickers for Compaq and Dell :(.

Dan8267,

Still living in the past? Is 2015 already. Current CEO Apple is Tim Cook. Steve Jobs returned in 1997, and everything change. Sadly, he left us in 2011.

I will buy an iPhone when all these features are implemented:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/N68_cp1vEFs

hanera says

Dan8267 says

Finally, Android will be the winner of the Android-iOS war just like the PC won the PC-MAC war and for the exact same reasons.

Seeing what happen to Compaq, Dell, HPQ, INTC and MSFT, really love that history would repeat similarly for iOS. HPQ, INTC and MSFT are still trading below ATH established in 1999/2000. Can't find tickers for Compaq and Dell :(.

Yet every server on the Internet is a PC, save one in a million. Every smartphone you touch is talking to a PC to get its data. There are more PCs being sold today than at any other time in history.

Don't confuse the demise of specific companies with the demise of the PC.

hanera says

Dan8267,

Still living in the past? Is 2015 already. Current CEO Apple is Tim Cook. Steve Jobs returned in 1997, and everything change. Sadly, he left us in 2011.

Sorry, I don't recall mentioning that Steve Jobs in this thread. You must have me confused with someone else.

I'm well aware that the wicked witch is dead.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

The only opinion that counts is the opinion of the consumer that would buy the product.

The consumer is told what to want by Apple. Apple fanboys follow mindlessly. Jimmy Kimmel demonstrated this.

I thought he just demonstrated that if you interview enough people and then selectively edit you can pretty much guarantee you'll get what you're after for any tired, J. Leno type 'comedy' piece.

Bigsby says

I thought he just demonstrated

Apple fanboys believe that Apple invented
- the Internet
- the smart phone
- tablets
- the graphical user interface
- round corners

Truth is, Apple has invented nothing. Apple fanboys will believe anything positive about Apple.

Dan8267 says

Bigsby says

I thought he just demonstrated

Apple fanboys believe that Apple invented

- the Internet

- the smart phone

- tablets

- the graphical user interface

- round corners

Truth is, Apple has invented nothing. Apple fanboys will believe anything positive about Apple.

According to you. I know a lot of fans of Apple, and I very much doubt any of them believe those things to be the case.

Bigsby says

I know a lot of fans of Apple

We all do. They are very vocal.

Dan8267,

Your post #29 quoted many Apple failures that are all rectified after late Steve Jobs, and in many posts implied Apple as a company is a failure/ has many failed products.

First thing first, being the biggest market cap in USA, Apple as a business is clearly not failing.

Second thing, you keep quoting the past PC vs Mac achievement, ignoring immediate past and current performance. Mac's market share has been increasing for the past recent quarters. If include iPad as the same category as Mac and PC, market share of iPad/Mac is way higher than PC-Windows/Android tablets.

Third thing, there is a big difference between Google's Android strategy vs Microsoft's Windows strategy. Google gave Android away free, yet those Android handset makers (except Samsung) are losing money. Microsoft charges for Windows, hehe, giving free Windows 10 to recent Windows purchasers.

Fourth, refer to post #19, do you fit one of those profile?

Dan8267 says

Truth is, Apple has invented nothing. Apple fanboys will believe anything positive about Apple.

Apple is really not about the technology. Google is way cooler. However, Apple runs an extremely effective religion. Even better than the Vatican. I have to give them that.

Dan8267 says

Bigsby says

I know a lot of fans of Apple

We all do. They are very vocal.

In your experience, not especially in mine. If you ask people about things, they'll tell you, and that also applies for shiny new Lollipop running smart phones.
A lot of people own Apple products. A small number of them may be stupid enough to wait in a line for a day or two or spend too much time at Macrumors or some such, but there seem to be plenty of people who like to make their point about competitors products/against those of Apple. Take you for example. Does that make you an Android fan boy?

Dan8267 says

Don't confuse the demise of specific companies with the demise of the PC.

Dan8267 says

hanera says

Dan8267 says

Finally, Android will be the winner of the Android-iOS war just like the PC won the PC-MAC war and for the exact same reasons.

Seeing what happen to Compaq, Dell, HPQ, INTC and MSFT, really love that history would repeat similarly for iOS. HPQ, INTC and MSFT are still trading below ATH established in 1999/2000. Can't find tickers for Compaq and Dell :(.

Yet every server on the Internet is a PC, save one in a million. Every smartphone you touch is talking to a PC to get its data. There are more PCs being sold today than at any other time in history.

Don't confuse the demise of specific companies with the demise of the PC.

So? If winning is what you want, then let PC and Android win. As an investor in AAPL since 1997, happy to let it be. PC/Android - Please continue to win.

There sure are a lot of people online who claim to have been Apple investors in 1997.

Bigsby says

There sure are a lot of people online who claim to have been Apple investors in 1997.

Many? Me, visited many Apple only blogs, most are way before that date or in 2002-3. hardly anyone between 1997-2002.

I did the online IQ test and it said I was a genius and also a great person.

hanera says

Your post #29 quoted many Apple failures

I'm sure there are plenty of failures after Jobs left. I just don't keep up.

hanera says

Mac's market share has been increasing for the past recent quarters.

Mac's current market share is 0%.

hanera says

If include iPad as the same category as Mac and PC, market share of iPad/Mac is way higher than PC-Windows/Android tablets.

If you include dogs as cats than cats make great pets...

However, you are still wrong on your stats.

According to Apple Insider, Apple has sold a total of 170 million iPads. That's quaint. Meanwhile, over four billion PCs have been sold where PC is defined as carrying an Intel x86 processor. And that's not including virtual PCs, which would increase the number by a factor of ten.

Of course popularity does not imply the best platform. Beta-max was superior to VHS, but lost that war. But if you're going to quote numbers, you need to get them right.

And if you are going to evaluate the success of a technology, you have to look at what technologies today's tech is based on. When you do video editing on a iPad, your using the MMX and XMM instructions that Intel built into their processors. It would not be possible to do any real video editing without those instructions. When you run two programs at once, you're using preemptive multitasking, again brought to you by Intel. You are also using multithreading, which first appeared in OS/2 and then Windows, and only much later in Unix, and never in an Apple OS. There are millions of such examples.

Thank the PC, OS/2, Windows, Unix, and Palm OS for everything you like about iPhones and iPads.

Peter P says

However, Apple runs an extremely effective religion

Exactly. And that's why I do not respect the opinion of their disciples. It's not based on knowledge or understanding.

hanera says

Bigsby says

There sure are a lot of people online who claim to have been Apple investors in 1997.

Many? I thought most are way before that date or in 2002-3.

Hmm, I'm pretty sure 1997 is one of the commonly referenced low points for stock purchases. $13 in December...

Dan8267,

Thank you for the discourse, have to stop replying you for reason you should know.

Bigsby says

hanera says

Bigsby says

There sure are a lot of people online who claim to have been Apple investors in 1997.

Many? I thought most are way before that date or in 2002-3.

Hmm, I'm pretty sure 1997 is one of the commonly referenced low points for stock purchases. $13 in December...

To be clearer, didn't do a lump sum purchase in 1997. Buy regularly between 1997-2003 regardless of price. Btw, I'm neither an Apple badge or an American citizen.

To be even clearer, didn't buy anymore, in fact, have been selling and bought RE in SV. So I could be one of those guys who push prices up. Well, need to diversify. Don't blame me.

Bigsby says

Does that make you an Android fan boy?

Here's the difference between fanboys and rational people. I can go into detail about what I like and dislike about Windows and what changes should be made to it. I praise Microsoft when they do something right, which happens quite a bit, but I also criticize Microsoft when they do something wrong, which happens even more often.

The same goes for Android although I haven't had time to play with that platform enough.

In contrast, to Apple fanboys, Apple can do no wrong. Ask them about how Apple sucks and they can't give you a reason. This has always been true. Even when shown side by side the disadvantages of an Apple product, they can't accept that it is inferior in any way. Of course, once Apple finally adopts the technology that everyone else has used for years, the fanboys cheer how innovative and cutting edge Apple is.

Dan8267 says

Peter P says

However, Apple runs an extremely effective religion

Exactly. And that's why I do not respect the opinion of their disciples. It's not based on knowledge or understanding.

That's awesome. We finally have a religion that actually works. :)

hanera says

As an investor in AAPL since 1997, happy to let it be.

People have made fortunes off of coal companies and wars. If that is your measure of success, fine, but it's irrelevant to this discussion.

We're not talking about whether or not people could make money off of Apple stock. That's an entirely different issue. I own Apple stock. It's in the S&P 500. But that has nothing to do with the op or with the spun-off conversation about which platform is better.

But hey, if you're talking return on investment, it was Google, not Apple, were you should have placed your money. Apple stock in the past decade has been shit compared to Google.

Dan8267 says

Thank the PC, OS/2, Windows, Unix, and Palm OS for everything you like about iPhones and iPads.

Why? It's of no real concern to the average consumer. If I like my fridge, am I supposed to thank the inventor of ice makers?

hanera says

Thank you for the discourse, have to stop replying you for reason you should know.

My only conjecture is this is your way of getting the last word. If that's important to you fine. I don't follow the dumb philosophy that the person who gets the last word "wins". I find the person with the best reason and evidence to be the most convincing. Then again, I'm a PC user, not a MAC user, so it's not surprising that I value substance over fluff.