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Maybe he was giving blow jobs to the owner.

There is more to the story. FBI is asking Apple to create a backdoor which Apple has every right to refuse. FBI are fucking nuts if they think this makes sense.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-apple-san-bernardino-terror-20160218-story.html

Apple Inc. CEO Tim Cook said that the FBI request that the company develop software to hack into one of its own devices, an iPhone 5c, used by gunman Syed Rizwan Farook, would set a dangerous precedent that could compromise security for billions of customers. The government, Cook contends, is asking Apple to create a "backdoor" to its own security systems.

Drop Cook into georgies, lock the doors for a couple hours...done deal.

FortWayne says

FBI is asking Apple to create a backdoor which Apple has every right to refuse.

It's not so much apple and cook, as it is the programmers...100% certainty they create their own entrances undetected...

thunderlips11 says

That being said, I don't know who Cook thinks he's fooling, I'd be shocked in Apple didn't have a backdoor

Ironman says

That makes the ocean rising a few millimeters due to global warming pretty trivial, doesn't it?

No. The oceans have risen more than that due to thermal expansion and further rising sea-levels threaten tens of billions of dollars of real estate. Climate change also threatens to expand the malaria and zika epidemics threatening many lives.

Furthermore, combating climate change is not mutually exclusive with security IT infrastructure. In fact, according to the Pentagon, climate change increases terrorism and the likelihood of attacks.

Who is right: Apple or the government?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/17/who-is-right-apple-or-the-government.html

Please vote.

You know the moment backdoor is made wvery hacker in the world will exploit it, and NSA will likely spy on us even more. Between freedom or illusion of safety I'll always pick freedom.

He could always ban the sell of them.
If you don't like it, then you should demand open source linux flavor smartphones.
Screw Google and Apple.
Bus since Google and Apple have no problem data mining and selling their customers information and data against their wishes. Then I don't believe they any right to tell the DOJ no when they ask for help.
As your data is for sell anyway. Then it should be available to law reinforcements at any reasonable request.

I think only individuals who take the effort to build and use an open source phone software deserve any privacy. As there would be no backdoor marketing critters voiding your expectation of privacy.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/17/apple-unlocked-iphones-for-the-feds-70-times-before.html?via=desktop&source=twitter
"Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before."

"In that New York case, a government attorney acknowledged that one U.S. law enforcement agency has already developed the technology to crack at least some iPhones, without the assistance from Apple that officials are demanding now."

http://blog.trailofbits.com/2016/02/17/apple-can-comply-with-the-fbi-court-order/

read some details. FBI wants a backdoor into iPhones which they can open via Wifi or Bluetooth. Those boys are asking to make Apple disappear as a phone company in the eyes of consumers. I think they are really overstepping their authority over here, what are we fucking communist China?

Would Tim Cook sing a different song if Apple sales were hurt by his refusal to help government?

"The ID passcode to the iPhone the FBI wants Apple to hack for information about one of the San Bernardino, Calif., terrorists was changed less than a day after the government gained possession of it, Apple executives said in a phone briefing with reporters Friday afternoon.

The county action, the government contends, had the effect of eliminating the possibility of a back-up of the device’s contents."

IOW, people in government created a problem, and people in government want to use that problem to expand government power. Same procedure as always. If they wanted the information from the terrorist's phone, they could have got it, but instead they want the information from everyone's phone, and they are using the terrorist's phone to panic everyone into surrendering. Fortunately, Apple has the resources to stand its ground, at least for a while; a smaller player might have had to surrender by now.

The entire reason the government wants to win this case is so that they can spy on everyone. The information in these particular phones is trivial. The government choose this specific case because the agents and lawyers thought it would be a slam dunk and no one would oppose it, and once there is a legal precedence to force tech companies to provide back doors, the government could abuse the fuck out of that power without any accountability.

Make no mistake. The government is not interest in the content on those phones. It is interest in having a legal precedent to force all IT companies to act as spy agencies for them. That is the only issue in this case. No one is arguing that the government should be denied a warrant for these specific phones. What is being argued is whether or not the government can force IT companies to build in security holes that can be exploited by criminals in our government, by foreign governments, by hostile transnational corporations, and by terrorists.

It's not only antithetical to democracy and liberty, it's also down-right stupid. America's national and economic security would be endangered far more than helped by allowing the government to mandate security holes.

Tim Cook leverage: Threaten to cut off access to porn sites for the FBI Mac users.

Dan8267 says

Make no mistake. The government is not interest in the content on those phones. It is interest in having a legal precedent to force all IT companies to act as spy agencies for them. That is the only issue in this case. No one is arguing that the government should be denied a warrant for these specific phones. What is being argued is whether or not the government can force IT companies to build in security holes that can be exploited by criminals in our government, by foreign governments, by hostile transnational corporations, and by terrorists.

I am in the minority here on this issue so lets get straight to the point. We did not elect Apple to be in charge of our security. Who the hell are they to dictate how our national security takes shape? Phones can be tapped with a warrant, surveillance tapes can be accessed, so why not a damn phone used by scumbag terrorists?
If you guys are so fuckin concerned about privacy, abolish the damn IRS.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/22/apple-seems-to-be-losing-pr-battle-over-unlocking-iphone.html

Apple Seems to Be Losing PR Battle Over Unlocking iPhone

Strategist says

phone used by scumbag terrorists?

Why do you suppose the county changed the password on the iCloud account? Do you understand the county owned the phone, and it had been set to send automatic scheduled backups when in the presence of a trusted network? Do you understand that Apple offered to help intrcept the next automatic backup, but then found that the county had made that impossible by changing the password?

Strategist says

Apple Seems to Be Losing PR Battle Over Unlocking iPhone

IOW, the government strategy to panic people is working. People are easily manipulated when frightened. They don't analyze facts and think through consequences. They panic and get angry. Government officials know that, from experience, and exploit it.

Humans are vulnerable to superstitions, fear & loathing. Now that government has frightened them by importing Muslim terrorists, issuing a phone to a terrorist, and then changing the password on the backup account for that phone, government manipulates people into loathing (of all people) Apple. Apple did not import these terrorists, nor even provide them a phone. Government did that. But shifting blame is a core skill for government work. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." The people who would give up liberty are human, but their problem is they are living in the wrong country. Plenty of other countries would immediately suspend liberty in the name of "safety" (or any other excuse that works). Move to China, or Russia, or Saudi Arabia if you hate liberty and crave illusions of safety.

The whole story reminds me of the latest local incident where a federal government agent lost his government gun, which he had left on the roof of his car. This follows a prior incident where a different federal agent left his government gun inside a car, and later reported it stolen; that gun was then used to kill a pedestrian. The usual suspects use these incidents as arguments for "gun control," by which they mean repealing the second amendment and saying only government agents may keep guns. Here's a thought about gun control: don't leave your gun on top of your car when driving. (Or, at least ask AF/DBOAPD for advice about installing a turret.)

Strategist says

I am in the minority here on this issue so lets get straight to the point. We did not elect Apple to be in charge of our security. Who the hell are they to dictate how our national security takes shape? Phones can be tapped with a warrant, surveillance tapes can be accessed, so why not a damn phone used by scumbag terrorists?

If you guys are so fuckin concerned about privacy, abolish the damn IRS.

This issue goes far beyond a single phone. FBI could have done by politely asking apple for a single case without making a huge public fuss about it. But they didn't, they turned it into every phone for everyone, and it's an issue now.

Apple gives in, there will be a new operating system for Chinese market within a month by request of the Chinese Communist Party, and one for US by request of NSA.

curious2 says

IOW, the government strategy to panic people is working. People are easily manipulated when frightened. They don't analyze facts and think through consequences. They panic and get angry. Government officials know that, from experience, and exploit it.

Guys....why would the government we elected want to hurt our rights? They are only trying to protect us, as they see best. What is it with you guys? :)

FortWayne says

This issue goes far beyond a single phone. FBI could have done by politely asking apple for a single case without making a huge public fuss about it. But they didn't, they turned it into every phone for everyone, and it's an issue now.

Apple gives in, there will be a new operating system for Chinese market within a month by request of the Chinese Communist Party, and one for US by request of NSA.

Apple can always agree to break into that particular phone. They have already been asked by the courts to do so.
As for the Chinese and Russians...I have no doubts they could break into it without Apple's help.
Why do we hurt ourselves?

Ironman says

it was the iCloud password that was changed,

Thanks - you're right, so I corrected my comment.

BTW, I also find very suspicious the fact that the FBI claims a need for thorough investigation of the phone after leaving the terrorists' apartment full of evidence and possible biohazards to be ransacked. IMO, FBI wants all access to all phones, and does not appear particularly interested in all information about these two actual terrorists, one of whom had recently passed all her background checks for immigration.

Strategist says

They are only trying to protect us, as they see best. What is with you guys?

I learned from seeing the Iraq War. All our government had to do was point to terrorism (the worst national security failure in American history, on 9/11), and instead of apologiizing (for failing to protect us) say "mushroom cloud," and most people supported a misguided invasion that most now recoginze was a mistake.

curious2 says

Ironman says

it was the iCloud password that was changed,

Thanks - you're right, so I corrected my comment.

BTW, I also find very suspicious the fact that the FBI claims a need for thorough investigation of the phone after leaving the terrorists' apartment full of evidence and possible biohazards to be ransacked. IMO, FBI wants all access to all phones, and does not appear particularly interested in all information about these two actual terrorists, one of whom had recently passed all her background checks for immigration.

There is information on that phone that is not likely to be in that apartment. Like all their accomplices they communicated with.
If anyone on Patnet is so fearful of the FBI finding out about their girlfriends, just give them my information. I just have a nagging wife, and no girlfriends. :( :(

Strategist says

There is information on that phone that is not likely to be in that apartment.

So why do you suppose they changed the password?

And don't you think they might have overlooked information in the apartment, information that is probably gone now? If they were really interested in maximizing their information about those terrorists, they would not have changed the password and they would not have abandoned the apartment. And, besides, they had just cleared the female through background checks, declaring her safe to immigrate. They are using their own failures to increase their own power. Why do you want them to have more power over you? Are you a terrorist? Do you not trust yourself, and so you need government to search you all the time to keep you from turning Muslim and going full Aloha Snackbar?

curious2 says

So why do you suppose they changed the password?

I doubt they ever had the password. The terrorists for sure did not give it to them.

curious2 says

And don't you think they might have overlooked information in the apartment, information that is probably gone now? If they were really interested in maximizing their information about those terrorists, they would not have changed the password and they would not have abandoned the apartment. And, besides, they had just cleared the female through background checks, declaring her safe to immigrate. They are using their own failures to increase their own power. Why do you want them to have more power over you? Are you a terrorist? Do you not trust yourself, and so you need government to search you all the time to keep you from turning Muslim and going full Snackbar?

Irrelevent. The FBI wants to know who they communicated with. It's perfectly reasonable.

Strategist says

I am in the minority here on this issue so lets get straight to the point. We did not elect Apple to be in charge of our security. Who the hell are they to dictate how our national security takes shape?

If you believe in...
1. small government then government should not be able to place backdoors into the property of private citizens to spy on them.
2. states rights then the federal government should not be able to force backdoors in products. It should be up to each state.
3. free enterprise then the government should not be able to force corporations to alter their products or to stifle innovation with flaws.
4. free markets then government should not be able to force anyone to provide backdoors. It should be left to the free market to decide if companies and consumers want this.
5. property rights then government should not be able to damage your property with security holes.
6. Hilary compromised national security by using a private email server that was not hacked, then you sure as hell should be against introducing security holes that would let terrorists and hostile governments take over our infrastructure and hack into our defense systems and to blackmail high ranking politicians.

If you don't believe in any of the above, why the hell would you ever vote Republican?

Strategist says

Phones can be tapped with a warrant, surveillance tapes can be accessed, so why not a damn phone used by scumbag terrorists?

That's not what's being argued. As I stated, no one is claiming that the government should not get a warrant for the information on these individual phones, which by the way the government couldn't give a rat's ass about. What some scumbags in government are trying to do is to use this case to enable them to get access to every person's private data without warrant and without oversight by building in security holes into every major IT product. If they got that, not only could you kiss your liberty good bye, you could also kiss your ass goodbye as ISIS uses our own drones against us.

what a shame. i thought Mr. Cook would be a strong proponent of backdoor attacks.