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If I ever see that prick in public I'm going to kick him square in balls, and might stomp on his head while he's down(verbally of course!).

I feel like a fucking fool all of the defending I did for that cocksucker defending him from the Bain Capitol meme during his election. "Oh don't elect Mitt Romney, he's going to outsource all of our jobs!"
that mother fucker! Then what does he do to return the favor, calls me a racist and a Nazi lover.

He better alter his course if he sees me out in public. I'll give him a verbal beat down he'll never forget. He may get thrown out of his Church when I'm done with him.

If TPB had lived in Germany in 1940 or so, he would have said Sieg Heil with more enthusiasm and glee than we can possibly imagine.

And if Marcus had a Dildo growing out of his tailbone, he would be a self service shop.

From air kisses to dripping venom. What a fucking bitch the Rom Bot is.

It is more than a little disturbing that there are powers-that-be who want to override voice of the people. A few months back, there was an interview of Hillary, and I remember thinking that she had this look on her face that said something like, "Isn't it cute that you all think your votes actually count?" And now this Romney thing... Are we about to find out that our votes don't actually count for anything? He's talking about a brokered convention like it's the solution to getting rid of a popular candidate... Who the fu** is he?

I love how Glenn Beck is trying so hard to show how they hate Cruz, too. He keeps arguing that if it weren't Trump, they'd be doing this to Cruz. I guess he's trying to show that Cruz is anti-establishment, too. But I'm pretty sure that Romney said that people should vote for anyone else but Trump... And CPAC had people threatening to protest Trump's presence there. Where were the Cruz protesters if he is sooooo hated? Why didn't Romney lump Cruz in with Trump?

We are about ready to be seriously disenfranchised.

turtledove says

And now this Romney thing... Are we about to find out that our votes don't actually count for anything? He's talking about a brokered convention like it's the solution to getting rid of a popular candidate... Who the fu** is he?

Romney said we'll and if I get nominated in the process I wont dissavow it.
Are these Dookeybirds for real?

They haven't seen the Million cracker march yet.

turtledove says

He's talking about a brokered convention

If Rubio wins, is that considered a "brokebacked" convention?

Who cares about Romney? He is just being a dick.

I wonder what his motivation is-jealousy, money offers from the donors?? I don't understand his angle??

lostand confused says

I wonder what his motivation is-jealousy, money offers from the donors?? I don't understand his angle??

We are made to feel "paranoid" because we look at this and ask who is the power behind the power?... But something is really screwed up here. The very fact that this guy put it out there saying that the will of the people shouldn't really be the will of the people AND actually propose a plan to circumvent that will... Holy shit! I don't know enough about Romney, but I get the impression that Romney is a darling of the GOP. It's like the GOP (and probably the democrats, too) want to hand pick their candidates under the guise of a popular vote... but they've chosen their candidates a long time ago and any reality that goes against that choice must be dealt with swiftly... and this whole Trump thing has caused a kind of "break glass in case of emergency" situation. They just never thought that Trump would have the kind of traction he's been able to achieve... and I feel like we are catching them with their pants down as the GOP establishment tries to circumvent the will of the people in favor of one of their chosen candidates.... Making a joke out of the whole primary process.

Yup good thing the repubs don't have the superdelegate process-else marco Rubio will be close to the nomination.
If you look at the dem side, Hilalry/Bernie are reasonably closed-add in the superdelegates and Hillary is light years ahead-how nice!

The parties have a process. It's an odd process, but it has a set of rules and they will use that process to nominate their leader. It's not a simple vote to see the will of the people. Trump is such a shift in philosophy, they are going to use whatever means necessary to try to keep the party from being completely upended. They are also worried that he'd not only lose the election, but cause the Republicans to lose the House and Senate.
Even the general election isn't simply a popular vote affair. I doubt that people complaining about this process with Trump were complaining when GW won the 2000 election despite losing the popular vote.

turtledove says

It is more than a little disturbing that there are powers-that-be who want to override voice of the people.

Sheer arrogance.

YesYNot says

Even the general election isn't simply a popular vote affair. I doubt that people complaining about this process with Trump were complaining when GW won the 2000 election despite losing the popular vote.

The difference is this is a naked attempt to circumvent the process. They aren't even trying to come up with a "legal" reason to support their effort to change things. They just came right out and said, we don't want him, we won't allow it, and here's our strategy to prevent it. I don't know about you, but I find the very idea of this quite frightening. They are so sure of themselves, they don't even have to pretend to be public servants. I see a lot of differences between this and what happened in Florida in 2000...

"Months after the United States Supreme Court delivered its ruling to stop the statewide hand recount in the Sunshine State, media and academic organizations conducted their own studies of the disputed ballots in Florida.

Taken as a whole, the recount studies show Bush would have most likely won the Florida statewide hand recount of all undervotes. Undervotes are ballots that did not register a vote in the presidential race.

This goes against the belief that the U.S. Supreme Court handed the presidency to Bush, or took it away from Gore.....

Even 15 years after the election, partisans on each side cherry-pick various scenarios that would have favored their candidate."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/

turtledove says

The difference is this is a naked attempt to circumvent the process. They aren't even trying to come up with a "legal" reason to support their effort to change things.

Did Romney say that they were going to do something illegal? As far as I saw, he's just a guy who gave a speech urging people not to vote for Trump, and saying that the party should do what they could (within the rules) to avoid nominating Trump. Regarding the 2000 election, I wasn't talking about the supreme court and who won FL. I was just stating that Gore won the popular vote (nationwide), and that isn't disputed: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2000/popular_vote.html

Although Gore won the popular vote, he didn't become president, because the process requires winning the most votes in the electoral college. The party nomination processes are similar. They have their own system, and it will play out following the rules that have been in place since before the election. This may have been what Trump was talking about when he said he would run on a 3rd party ticket if he wasn't treated fairly. IMO, it's going to hurt the Republican party whether Trump wins or not. The damage is done.

turtledove says

The difference is this is a naked attempt to circumvent the process.

Not really. It's trying to use the process by convincing voters to vote for someone other than Trump. That is the process.

Keep in mind that Trump has never gotten even 50% of the vote in any state. It's not like he's winning the majority of voters...

tatupu70 says

turtledove says

The difference is this is a naked attempt to circumvent the process.

Not really. It's trying to use the process by convincing voters to vote for someone other than Trump. That is the process.

Keep in mind that Trump has never gotten even 50% of the vote in any state. It's not like he's winning the majority of voters...

It seems some in the Republican elite are engineering his defeat in the face of overwhelming voter support. If they succeed, Trump will sue the hell out of them.

Strategist says

It seems some in the Republican elite are engineering his defeat in the face of overwhelming voter support. If they succeed, Trump will sue the hell out of them.

Overwhelming?? How do you figure? He's averaged about 35% or about 3.5 people out of ten. That's overwhelming?

tatupu70 says

Strategist says

It seems some in the Republican elite are engineering his defeat in the face of overwhelming voter support. If they succeed, Trump will sue the hell out of them.

Overwhelming?? How do you figure? He's averaged about 35% or about 3.5 people out of ten. That's overwhelming?

He is well ahead of the others.

Ironman says

Are you really this stupid?

Nah, but he is sounding like the republican establishment-because that si the exact same argument they are using. By that logic, all the other candidates are much , much lower. I didn't figure tatupu to be a Mitt Romney/Jeb Bush type!!!!!!!!!1

Strategist says

He is well ahead of the others.

He is ahead of the others. I would hardly call it overwhelming though.

Ironman says

Duh, that's because there's been at least 5 people on the ballot to dilute the votes...

We'll see. That's the big question. Is there a ceiling on Trump's support?

lostand confused says

Nah, but he is sounding like the republican establishment-because that si the exact same argument they are using. By that logic, all the other candidates are much , much lower. I didn't figure tatupu to be a Mitt Romney/Jeb Bush type!!!!!!!!!1

Nope--this may be hard to believe, but I'm mostly a disinterested spectator. I only sound like an establishment next to the crazy Trump supporters on here. Pointing out that getting 35% of the vote isn't overwhelming qualifies me to be an establishment operative?

Ironman says

Yeah, Tatty does Rubio math.... Trump gets 42% of the votes, but when you add up all the votes the other 4 guys got in total, they equal 58%, so according to Tatty, Trump lost.

Nope. Just means Trump didn't get the majority of the votes. Like I said.

I'd prefer Drumpf over Cruz even though Drumpf is running a despicable campaign, is ruining political discourse, and is an embarrassment to democracy. I still don't see the problem with Romney's speech. It's part of the process, and probably didn't do much to Drumpf one way or another.
The Cruz missile seems to be doing what he can to prevent a brokered convention. Cruz must think he has a better shot hoping the Donald has a heart attack or finally chokes on some of his words in a two person race than Cruz has in winning a brokered convention. Otherwise, he'd try to help Rubio beat Trump in FL instead of trying to split the vote and help Drumpf win.

Ironman says

Every time someone drops out, his vote percentage rises...

It does? Have any data to back that up?

Here's what I see (average vote% totals):

Feb. 1st: 24.3
Feb. 9th: 35.3
Feb. 20th: 32.5
Feb. 23rd: 45.9
March 1st: 34.5
March 5th: 33.3

Does that look like his percentages are increasing as people leave the race?

(I left out PR)

Ironman says

He's up +16% (at 36%) over Cruz nationwide and Cruz and Rubio are fighting for second at around the 18% - 19% range.

Why hasn't that gap closed up, every one thought he would have blown up and disappeared already?

Trump has consistently underperformed polls. I wouldn't put too much stock in them now.

tatupu70 says

Ironman says

He's up +16% (at 36%) over Cruz nationwide and Cruz and Rubio are fighting for second at around the 18% - 19% range.

Why hasn't that gap closed up, every one thought he would have blown up and disappeared already?

Trump has consistently underperformed polls. I wouldn't put too much stock in them now.

And his competitors are still way behind. "Losers"

Ironman says

Shhhhhhhhhh.... you're going to destroy Tatty delusional narrative...

Are you still researching that data showing that Trump has been gaining new voters each time someone drops out?

Ironman says

The last two he won were at 36% and 41%.

Which is much lower than his win% in some of the states he won earlier.

tatupu70 says

Which is much lower than his win% in some of the states he won earlier.

Remember Cruz was supposed to win most of the South, starting with SC, according to the Experts. So far only Texas, where he is an elected Senator, and only there by the smallest margin of any Texan Nominee of either party in US History.

Cruz depends on the Churchlady shaming people in Caucuses in small rural precincts into voting for the "Real Christian". Even then he often wins by only a 3% margin.

Trump wins more secular states like Nevada and Mass by around 50% in 4-6 way races. Over 40% in Alabama, which should be a Cruz paradise. Won and beat Rubio in Virginia, with it's big GOP Establishment DC suburban areas.

Trump is going to win Florida -absolutely crush there with 40%+- and probably Ohio.

Also, note Trump is hardly spending a dime on ads.

Just FYI: Here are the numbers of Obama vs. Romney 2012, around the same time of the year

Here are the Trump vs. Clinton numbers:

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