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Well remember kids no matter where you go, there you are.

I thought the only thing that the legal system regarded as marital abuse was a reduction in delay, expense and complexity of divorce cases leading to less thorough plundering of the marital assets by lawyers.

If the couples don't hate each other bitterly forever, than the legal system has failed.

On the other hand, these new standards may just be an effort to make things more absurd, convoluted, arbitrary, and expensive.

Exleftie says

threatening a divorce

Uh oh! What about kind-of joking about divorce... Like if you forget to do something I've asked you to do a million times over the last 15 years and I say... ONE MORE TIME, and you can find yourself a divorce lawyer... Does that count?

Threatening to divorce or abandon the victim if the victim fails to comply with demands.

Wife: Stop sleeping with my sister or this marriage is over.

Police: You're under arrest ma'am for domestic abuse.

Of course, we all know that these draconian laws will be applied almost entirely only to men, but the example does illustrate the ridiculousness of the law.

This is just ridiculous. I mean come on. Perhaps a muslim male immigrants may be the only solution to western mens problems?

By the way, I thought Australia was a bit more "rugged"-looks like they exceed us

The fact is that men tend to be the abuser, whether in a heterosexual relationship or homosexual.

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/relationships/a37005/statistics-about-domestic-violence/

"And while 85% of domestic abuse victims are women, the U.S. Department of Justice's 2000 National Violence Against Women Survey's findings suggest that women's experiences are hardly equal: "Lesbian couples experience less intimate partner violence than do heterosexual couples."

And on the flip side, men who endure domestic abuse living with male intimate partners are the most victimized male group. Nearly double the percent of cohabitating men reported "being raped, physically assaulted and/or stalked by a male cohabitant" compared to those residing with, or married to, women."

From the OP article:

"Attorney-General George Brandis released the online resource, saying it would promote best practice in domestic violence court cases.

The guidelines define as emotional and psychological abuse verbal attacks, stalking, threatening to divorce or kill the victim and monitoring the victim’s whereabouts.

Mr Turnbull said it was vital to stop men disrespecting women.

‘Domestic violence is a disgrace,’ he said.

‘Violence against women and children is always wrong.’

For example, in one case of abuse against a female, a man insisted she slept outside and asked her children to refer to her by derogatory terms.

‘Generally treating her in a humiliating and abusive manner, including attempting to persuade her to engage in a sexual act with a dog,’ the guideline example states.

There is no single family violence law in Australia and judges can rely on a range of legal responses to deal with domestic violence cases.

The guidelines are designed to provide a central source for judges dealing with such cases.

MIND GAMES AND THREATS

THEIR OWN WORDS

Victims say abusers have:

* Put down my appearance

* Became upset if chores not done

* Treated me like a personal servant

* Become jealous of my friends and other men

* Tried to convince me I was crazy

WHAT THE NEW GUIDELINES SAY

Emotional or psychological abuse may also involve:

* Threatening to divorce or abandon the victim if the victim fails to comply with demands

* Threatening to commit suicide if victim leaves

* Restricting the victim’s contact with family and friends

* Restricting access to a car or finances

* Strategic intimidatory behaviour … including angry verbal outbursts, staring, silence, ignoring and withdrawal of affection

If you can't lash your spouse into quivering subservience, than freedom has no meaning.

Exleftie says

Staring, withdrawing affection or threatening a divorce are now defined as domestic violence in the first national guidelines for judges and magistrates.

Many men have been subjected to this type of domestic violence. I personally know at least one.

Indiana Jones says

The guidelines are designed to provide a central source for judges dealing with such cases.

MIND GAMES AND THREATS

THEIR OWN WORDS

Victims say abusers have:

* Put down my appearance

* Became upset if chores not done

* Treated me like a personal servant

* Become jealous of my friends and other men

* Tried to convince me I was crazy

WHAT THE NEW GUIDELINES SAY

Emotional or psychological abuse may also involve:

* Threatening to divorce or abandon the victim if the victim fails to comply with demands

* Threatening to commit suicide if victim leaves

* Restricting the victim’s contact with family and friends

* Restricting access to a car or finances

* Strategic intimidatory behaviour … including angry verbal outbursts, staring, silence, ignoring and withdrawal of affection

One flew over the cuckoos nest.

Indiana Jones says

The fact is that men tend to be the abuser, whether in a heterosexual relationship or homosexual.

Wow, you actually believe that? You can start by reading the following article on Wiikpedia, which is not known to be a man-friendly publication. Lots of good references there that debunk your claim. Open your eyes. Domestic violence is gender symmetrical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men

PS1: By the way, Indiana, that list you quote reads like a laundry list of techniques that women use to abuse and subjugate men. Not that I am surprised. It is almost a theorem of social science that when women accuse men of doing evil act X, women themselves are actually the ones doing X, or worse, to men.

PS2: "whether in a heterosexual relationship or homosexual." Actually, lesbian relationships are the most violent of all. Do you know why? Because the relationship is between two women, and unlike men, each one of them have little innate restraint against committing violence against a woman.

justme says

Because the relationship is between two women, and unlike men, each one of them have little innate restraint against committing violence against a woman.

The same principle applies in gay male relationships in the realms of promiscuity--men are by nature promiscuous, but the wife channels that promiscuity in a normal marriage. Two males are much more likely to cheat on each other and raise the chance of catching and spreading STD's.

They forgot to add "taking you to the woodshed for lounging with unshaven beard, unchanged underwear, beer, butt crack hanging out, after three days of not bathing". Basic male needs are basic male needs.

I don't know, these guidelines sound like things women do more often.

Speaking of withdrawing affection, is withdrawing affection mid-stroke a case of domestic violence? Is withdrawing consent mid-stroke a case of domestic violence?

rpanic01 says

I don't know, these guidelines sound like things women do more often.

Totally agree. These are my go-to moves, in fact. Now what am I going to do?

I guess I'll be okay in prison, though construction orange is soooo not my color. I just have to imagine that I'm ten-to-twelve again, that my brother just broke something really important of mine, and then just kick the shit out of the first inmate I see. I should hit the gym throughout the trial so I'm sufficiently bulked up by the time I'm incarcerated. You guys will miss me, though. I'll write if I can, but I doubt they'll allow pictures.

It's just the same ole same ole for the dirtbag lawyers: just make EVERYTHING and ANYTHING actionable as a fountain for legal fees.

justme says

The fact is that men tend to be the abuser, whether in a heterosexual relationship or homosexual.

Wow, you actually believe that?

You actually believe otherwise? When the data points to the fact that more men than women engage in intimate partner violence? No one said that men are never the recipients of female abuse, it is just less common.

Are you actually saying that more men than women are subjected to female abuse and that men are just too scared to report it? Seriously?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/23/domestic-violence-statistics_n_5959776.html

1 in 4 - The number of women who will be victims of severe violence by an intimate partner in their lifetimes.

1 in 7 - The number of men who will be victims of severe violence by an intimate partner in their lifetimes.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvv.pdf

• In 2008 females age 12 or older experienced about 552,000 nonfatal violent victimizations (rape/sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated or simple assault) by an inti-mate partner (a current or former spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend) (table 1).

• In the same year, men experienced 101,000 nonfatal violent victimizations by an intimate partner.

• The rate of intimate partner victimizations for females was 4.3 victimizations per 1,000 females age 12 or older. The equivalent rate of intimate partner violence against males was 0.8 victimizations per 1,000 males age 12 or older.

Yes, I believe otherwise. Well, indiana Jones, I can cut and paste, too. But how about you read some articles referenced by Wikipedia. Here is one, for the benefit of other readers that may have more open minds.

QUOTE:

More than 200 studies have found that men and women petpetrate partner violence at approximately equal rates and that the most prevalent pattern is mutual violence (Archer, 2002; Fiebert, 2004). Moreover, when it is not mutual, female-only and male~only partner violence occur with about equal frequency among married couples (K. L. Anderson, 2002; Capaldi & Owen, 2001; Gelles & Straus, 1988; Kessler, Molnar, Feurer, & Appelbaum, 2001; McCarroll, Ursano, Fan, & Newby, 2004; Medeiros & Straus, 2007; Moffitt, Caspi, Rutter, & Silva, 2001; Straus, Gelles, & Steinmetz, 2006; Williams & Frieze, 2005). Among young couples and dating couples, the percentage of female-only partner violence exceeds the percentage of male- only partner violence (Straus & Ramirez, 2007; Whitaker, Haileyesus, Swahn, & Saltzman, 2007). This pattern of gender symmetry is true even for severe partner violence, such as kicking, attacks with objects, and choking. However, the injury rate is much higher when the perpetrator is male (Gelles & Straus, 1988). Police statistics and crime survey statistics seem to contradict the idea of gender symmetry because 80% to 99% of the perpetrators identified in such surveys are men (Straus, 1999). This is not because of higher numbers of physical attacks by men but because of the greater probability of injury from attacks by men and greater fear for safety by women (Straus, 1999). These are characteristics that lead to police intervention. Such cases are mistakenly taken as representative of partner violence, even though at least 95% of partner violence cases are not known to the police (Kaufman Kantor & Straus, 1990; Statistics Canada, 2005).

REFERENCE: Straus, Murray A. (2009). "Gender Symmetry in Partner Violence: Evidence and Implications for Prevention and Treatment". In Lutzker, John R.; Whitaker, Daniel J. Preventing Partner Violence: Research and Evidence-Based Intervention Strategies (PDF). Washington DC: American Psychological Association. pp. 245–271. ISBN 9781433804342. Retrieved June 28, 2014.

My comments: In addition to the above, consider also that many men will not even report injuries to themselves, because they are ashamed or (rightly) believe that THEY themselves will be ridiculed, persecuted and prosecuted if they do, even if they are themselves the victim.

Indiana Jones says

Are you actually saying that more men than women are subjected to female abuse and that men are just too scared to report it? Seriously?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/23/domestic-violence-statistics_n_5959776.html

1 in 4 - The number of women who will be victims of severe violence by an intimate partner in their lifetimes.

1 in 7 - The number of men who will be victims of severe violence by an intimate partner in their lifetimes.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvv.pdf

This sounds like the feminazi 1 in 4 rape claims-which they are backtracking from and now trying to weasel out-unfortunately policy was made from that.

What if you had an extrmely attractive wife and stared at her-is that felony abuse and counted in the stats??

lostand confused says

What if you had an extrmely attractive wife

A problem CIC will never know.

lostand confused says

What if you had an extrmely attractive wife and stared at her-is that felony abuse and counted in the stats??

No one stares at their own wife. They stare at someone else's wife.