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turtledove is deplorable says

The point is that you obviously are okay with mandated dress. Just as long as the Muslims are mandating it. When the French ban not wearing it, I'm guessing you find that upsetting. Which is inconsistent. You either think it's okay to make those kinds of rules or you don't. The where and what shouldn't matter.

The French are banning face covering not headscarfs. And that still serves no purpose apart from to inflame resentment amongst the Muslim community. I'm neither for nor against these items of clothing as the manner of dress people wear is of little concern to me. Headscarfs used to be extremely common in the West only a few decades ago, so why would I get upset about that? It's a very common item in the Muslim world. We adopt practices of foreign countries all the time when we visit them.

Next people will be arguing that it is perfectly fine to flog women and stone them to death for adultery. Watching the lefties here gives a window into the twisted minds of Obama-anything Muslims do is good.

lostand confused says

Next people will be arguing that it is perfectly fine to flog women and stone them to death for adultery. Watching the lefties here gives a window into the twisted minds of Obama-anything Muslims do is good.

Yeah, because that's obviously the same as being required to wear a headscarf when visiting Iran. Reading the comments on here by the likes of you and FortWayne just gives an insight into how frothing-at-the-mouth-stupid some people can be.

Real american men would shirts,always in public, that say: Allah & Muhammad are in a constant 69 position.

Oh, so your the canadian guy Rin fantasizes about turning queer right in the middle of a montreal minute...

Rashomon says

Eh?

Tenpoundbass says

Chess Champion would rather be dead than live in an Obama muslim utopia

Another great TPB title.

Here's my version: "American female Chess player, ranked 98th in the world, is afraid that if she competes in upcoming Iraanian tournament, she will no longer be in the world's top 100"

https://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=women

Rashomon says

Yeah, because that's obviously the same as being required to wear a headscarf when visiting Iran. Reading the comments on here by the likes of you and FortWayne just gives an insight into how frothing-at-the-mouth-stupid some people can be

Nah that is you. Forcing a woman to do something against her will is fine by the left apparently. So why would you nutjobs stop at support of stonings and throwing gays off buildings. The same countries do that.

The funny thing is you bigoted, hateful critters think you are tolerant. Deranged lunatics.

You're right, nothing.
So when the arab checker hijabs come over here everybody plays in the nude.....capeesh?

Rashomon says

And what has that got to do do with wearing a hijab when visiting a country that requires it? Plenty of people wear headscarves. Are you going to have a hissy fit about Russian Orthodox Christians as well?

Rashomon says

The sheer horror of having to wear a headscarf in public for a few days.

Why should she have to obey the rules of a rotten religion? Look how Muslims throw a tantrum at Burkhas being banned in the West. Fuckin hypocritical.

Rashomon says

FortWayne says

I won't go to the country that requires it. it's that simple.

I'm sure they'll be crying rivers.

I wouldn't want them coming to the US either. Now they will be crying rivers, won't they?

lostand confused says

The funny thing is you bigoted, hateful critters think you are tolerant. Deranged lunatics.

I'm willing to bet Rashomon is a Muslim.

Strategist says

I'm willing to bet Rashomon is a Muslim.

Ya think? He would no sooner chop your fucking head off as to look at you. Just look at them evil eyes.

Strategist says

I'm willing to bet Rashomon is a Muslim.

No, I'm not a Muslim, but I can say that you've become embarrassingly bigoted over the course of time Strat.

lostand confused says

Nah that is you. Forcing a woman to do something against her will is fine by the left apparently. So why would you nutjobs stop at support of stonings and throwing gays off buildings. The same countries do that.

Feel free to explain how I'm forcing anyone to do anything. You bigoted fools hold your hands up in celebration when a supposedly liberal democratic society imposes a dress code on its population, but when a Muslim country does it, then it becomes an opportunity to try and make commonality with stoning, etc. etc. I guess it's idiot right logic.

And surprisingly enough, I'm not forcing her to wear a hijab. If she doesn't want to, then she doesn't have to go to Iran. See how it works? What I did say is that we live in a world of different cultures and beliefs, and having to wear a headscarf if you visit one of those cultures isn't actually a big deal in the grand scheme of things. But hey, feel free to keep chucking around your bullshit and lies. It's what you seem to do on a regular basis.

Rashomon says

Feel free to explain how I'm forcing anyone to do anything. You bigoted fools hold your hands up in celebration when a supposedly liberal democratic society imposes a dress code on its population, but when a Muslim country does it, then it becomes an opportunity to try and make equivocation with stoning, etc. etc. I guess it's idiot right logic.

You don't get it. When they enforce the hijab, they enforce religion. When we enforce removing the Burkha, we enforce lack of religion. Big difference.

Rashomon says

And surprisingly enough, I'm not forcing her to wear a hijab. If she doesn't want to, then she doesn't have to go to Iran.

Sounds like "force" to me.

Strategist says

You don't get it. When they enforce the hijab, they enforce religion. When we enforce removing the Burkha, we enforce lack of religion. Big difference.

No, you aren't. You're enforcing discrimination against a particular form of dress adopted by SOME followers of one particular religion, not the enforcing of no religion.

Strategist says

Rashomon says

And surprisingly enough, I'm not forcing her to wear a hijab. If she doesn't want to, then she doesn't have to go to Iran.

Sounds like "force" to me.

She is free to make her own choices. If she doesn't want to respect the norms of that society, then she doesn't have to visit. Simple. You don't want Muslims imposing their beliefs and lifestyle on you in the West and rage against it all the time, and yet you seem utterly incapable of seeing it from the other perspective. What a surprise.

Liberals just have a different flavor of Bigotry. Liberals can't operate without hate. Don't you fool yourself you common headchopper.

Rashomon says

She is free to make her own choices. If she doesn't want to respect the norms of that society, then she doesn't have to visit. Simple. You don't want Muslims imposing their beliefs and lifestyle on you in the West and rage against it all the time, and yet you seem utterly incapable of seeing it from the other perspective. What a surprise.

The truth is, Islamic dress codes are a symbol of human rights abuse. That is the problem we have, and that is why many want to see the Burkha banned.

Strategist says

The truth is, Islamic dress codes are a symbol of human rights abuse. That is the problem we have, and that is why many want to see the Burkha banned.

There is no such thing as an Islamic dress code. It's a specific culture's interpretation of a reference to modesty. If you actually knew much about the societies you spend so much time attacking on here, then you'd know there is enormous diversity among countries and within many countries in the manner of dress. Look at Iran - a great many of the women in that country dress in a Western style in many ways. So they wear a headscarf. Big deal. That's a cultural norm - not a human rights abuse.

Rashomon says

There is no such thing as an Islamic dress code. It's a specific culture's interpretation of a reference to modesty.

Is there a school Obama trains you guys, or do they just have you wing it?

Shria law has a distinct dress code. You don't hear about it, until you've got a Muslim majority, they inact secret Shria law whether you're down with it or not.
Then you AND Your wife will get acid thrown in your face for wearing shorts in public. Then if we get anyting like Germany. The Police will show up and arrest bloggers for reporting it, when the state sponsored Jihad Media wont.

Go sell your bullshit somewhere else Tarzan this is America, we'll John Wayne those motherfuckers berfore we allow anyone like Angle Merkle to Cuckle America.

Tenpoundbass says

Shria law has a distinct dress code. You don't hear about it, until you've got a Muslim majority, they inact secret Shria law whether you're down with it or not.

Then you AND Your wife will get acid thrown in your face for wearing shorts in public. Then if we get anyting like Germany. The Police will show up and arrest bloggers for reporting it, when the state sponsored Jihad Media wont.

Typical garbled nonsense from you, TPB. Anyone who has been to Muslim majority countries knows that there isn't a distinct dress code common to those countries. Most have widely divergent takes on what is or isn't deemed acceptable. Even Strat would have to acknowledge that seeing as he claims he's been to Dubai.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

The truth is, Islamic dress codes are a symbol of human rights abuse. That is the problem we have, and that is why many want to see the Burkha banned.

There is no such thing as an Islamic dress code. It's a specific culture's interpretation of a reference to modesty. If you actually knew much about the societies you spend so much time attacking on here, then you'd know there is enormous diversity among countries and within many countries in the manner of dress.

Are you kidding me. The Burkha clad women all claim their religion demands the Burkha dress code, when arguing against any Burkha ban. Maybe you should have a conversation with them.

Strategist says

Are you kidding me. The Burkha clad women all claim their religion demands the Burkha dress code, when arguing against any Burkha ban. Maybe you should have a conversation with them.

Spoken to many burkha clad women, have you? There is nothing in the Qu'ran that states the requirement to wear a burkha.

Rashomon says

Feel free to explain how I'm forcing anyone to do anything.

You are supporting Iran forcing women to dress in stone age code of dress.Rashomon says

ou bigoted fools hold your hands up in celebration when a supposedly liberal democratic society imposes a dress code on its population, but when a Muslim country does it, then it becomes an opportunity to try and make commonality with stoning, etc. etc. I guess it's idiot right logic.

That is you. See above.Rashomon says

And surprisingly enough, I'm not forcing her to wear a hijab. If she doesn't want to, then she doesn't have to go to Iran. See how it works? What I did say is that we live in a world of different cultures and beliefs, and having to wear a headscarf if you visit one of those cultures isn't actually a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

She does not want to. But the civilized world is holding the world chess championship there and therefore forcing all their participants to behave like that and accepting of the hijab rule. if they wanted to hold it there-they should have negotiated in advance that such bigotry is not acceptable-but leftie logic never works. They care about manspreading.

Rashomon says

Anyone who has been to Muslim majority countries knows that there isn't a distinct dress code common to those countries.

I was told by the Muslim Doorman in Malysia that I should not wear shorts. At first I thoght he was giving me fasion tips. But the increasing anger in his voice made it clear. He was serious as a heart attack.

Rashomon says

Typical garbled nonsense from you, TPB. Anyone who has been to Muslim majority countries knows that there isn't a distinct dress code common to those countries. Most have widely divergent takes on what is or isn't deemed acceptable. Even Strat would have to acknowledge that seeing as he claims he's been to Dubai.

I was in Dubai back in January, and there was no dress code requirement. However, many Muslim men demand their wives strictly adhere to the Islamic dress code.
I loved the "Desert Safari" we took in Dubai. They had Heineken beer. I even brought back the head gear men wear from the safari as a souvenir.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

Are you kidding me. The Burkha clad women all claim their religion demands the Burkha dress code, when arguing against any Burkha ban. Maybe you should have a conversation with them.

Spoken to many burkha clad women, have you? There is nothing in the Qu'ran that states the requirement to wear a burkha.

I have never ever spoken to any Burkha clad women. But they were on TV clearly stating the Burkha was required by their religion. You should be trying to convince them that the Koran says nothing about the dress code, not me.

lostand confused says

You are supporting Iran forcing women to dress in stone age code of dress.

I'm not supporting anything. I'm acknowledging that different cultures have different perspectives on what is deemed appropriate dress. Most non-Western societies have a rather different perspective on what is appropriate to wear (including for men), and that isn't solely the preserve of Muslim countries. In fact, plenty of the elderly I know find the type of clothes that the young waltz around in nowadays pretty shocking. You just need to compare dress today with what it was just a few decades ago - how shocking the mini skirt was in the 60s for example.

lostand confused says

She does not want to. But the civilized world is holding the world chess championship there and therefore forcing all their participants to behave like that and accepting of the hijab rule. if they wanted to hold it there-they should have negotiated in advance that such bigotry is not acceptable-but leftie logic never works. They care about manspreading.

And they're free not to participate if they find the idea of wearing a headscarf so problematic. Like I said, I don't see what the problem is - when you go to a new country, especially one with as rich a culture as Iran, why would you not be willing to be a little accommodating to what is culturally acceptable there? You take your shoes off when you enter a house in Japan, don't you? Slurp ramen. Pour drinks for your fellow guests, etc. etc. It's all part of life's rich diversity.

Strategist says

I have never ever spoken to any Burkha clad women. But they were on TV clearly stating the Burkha was required by their religion. You should be trying to convince them that the Koran says nothing about the dress code, not me.

I don't need to convince anyone of anything. The Qu'ran has no passages in it that state a burkha must be worn. That is simply a fact.

Tenpoundbass says

I was told by the Muslim Doorman in Malysia that I should not wear shorts. At first I thoght he was giving me fasion tips. But the increasing anger in his voice made it clear. He was serious as a heart attack.

Hilarious. You can go around any number of clubs in the West and find plenty that would stop you from entering if you had shorts/trainers/whatever on.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

I have never ever spoken to any Burkha clad women. But they were on TV clearly stating the Burkha was required by their religion. You should be trying to convince them that the Koran says nothing about the dress code, not me.

I don't need to convince anyone of anything. The Qu'ran has no passages in it that state a burkha must be worn. That is simply a fact.

You will find this interesting.
https://proud-a.blogspot.com/2014/03/IWD2014.html

Strategist says

You will find this interesting.

https://proud-a.blogspot.com/2014/03/IWD2014.html

Why's that interesting? The world is a big place full of often very strange and very different people. What those women did is not normal behavior pretty much anywhere on this planet. They wanted to shock. Good for them. Conversely, I'm quite sure that you could find plenty of (Iranian) women who would be appalled by that behaviour, so what's your point?

Rashomon says

Why's that interesting? The world is a big place full of often very strange and very different people. What those women did is not normal behavior pretty much anywhere on this planet. They wanted to shock. Good for them. Conversely, I'm quite sure that you could find plenty of Iranian women who would be appalled by that, so what's your point?

They were the ones making a point. I believe it was against the suppression of women that is enforced in Islamic countries.

Strategist says

They were the ones making a point. I believe it was against the suppression of women that is enforced in Islamic countries.

Which is a perfectly valid point in some instances, but isn't a product of women wearing a headscarf.

Rashomon says

Hilarious. You can go around any number of clubs in the West and find plenty that would stop you from entering if you had shorts/trainers/whatever on.

This was a hotel door entrance to a 98 degree sunny day you dink. In a tropical equatorial country you applogist fool.

Tenpoundbass says

This was a hotel door entrance to a 98 degree sunny day you dink. In a tropical equatorial country you applogist fool.

You utter plum, so the hotel had a dress code as well. Big deal. I've been to Malaysia before - there's no ban on wearing shorts in that country, but that doesn't mean every private business has to allow you to wear them within their establishment. If you are saying that he was trying to prevent you from going out in shorts, then I call utter bullshit on you unless you were wearing some hideously dodgy pair of white trash shorts. That's it, isn't it?

Without chess the global economy would collapse,yesterday.

Rashomon says

Yeah, because that's obviously the same as being required to wear a headscarf when visiting Iran

Why is it ok to demand wearing a headscarf in Iran when it is not ok to demand that the face not be covered, "as a matter of public safety" in France?

Again France and other countries fucked up by letting so many people with zero interest in assimilation and/or capacity and willingness to produce.

Rashomon says

Conversely, I'm quite sure that you could find plenty of (Iranian) women who would be appalled by that, so what's your poin

Appalled enough to actually do something about it? Hardly

Rashomon says

The Qu'ran has no passages in it that state a burkha must be worn. That is simply a fact.

Why aren't they called out on it to the point that they stop repeating such falsehoods? Particularly in Europe and/or the US

Iran can make women hide themselves in public. The rest of the world should shun this behavior. Any world organization who holds tournaments and meetings in Iran should be shunned if an exception of not made, and if it is broadcast, people should boycott the station. The world doesn't have to accept forcing women to wear a burka, or similarly hide their faces in public.