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turtledove is deplorable says

She just isn't stupid enough to say something so very damaging on tape. And he is.... To my deepest disappointment. Maybe a few days will give me some perspective

He was a tv personality among other things and not a guy prepping to be the President. Even if he did toy with the idea.

Ironman says

Interesting how quiet it has become after the last two days. Where is PussyUltra57 with his #pussygrabber?? How about that little woman, YesYNot???

Crickets....

I dunno, first time I posted in her thread, "Trigglypuff, is that you?" she put me on ignore.

Ironman says

Heck, when I ran my sons Boys Scout troop, you'd be amazed what teenage boys would talk about when they weren't around their mothers.

Oh Jeeze, I think of my friend's Bar Mitzvah. We were signing Stone Cold Bush by the RHCP.

They are just eating up the comment about Trump putting Hillary in prison. The fact is she was given a free pass over the destruction of evidence after it was subpoenaed. The talking heads are pretending that he's talking about putting her in prison simply for being his opponent, like they do in dictatorship-run third world countries. When he was talking about putting her in prison for committing an actual crime. Well, at least contempt of Congress.

The Deplorable DFJ says

**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?

TRUMP 89.76% (97,513 votes)

CLINTON 10.24% (11,120 votes)

Total Votes: 108,633

You have to laugh. That's your go to source for objective views? You idiots did the same thing last time - 'look at these online polls, the Donald walked it!!' How did that work out?
You lot just have wet knickers because he trotted out a few insulting lines as if that is what is going to impact the well being of the country. The bloke is simply an embarrassment, and the fact you lap it up no matter what he does speaks volumes.

turtledove is deplorable says

Well, he did a good job of navigating the tape issue. And unlike the first debate, he exercised some control over the direction of the conversation. But the Clinton campaign will make sure that the tape is played 24/7 starting instantly. I hope he will do the same with the Clinton sexual assault victims. It's the only way to fight fire with fire. Words vs. actions. And he cannot make it about Bill. Bill isn't running. He has to make it about Hillary. Her coverups... Her bullying. It's the only chance he has and he must work quickly.

Overall, he did a great job. Much better than the first debate. He's created quite a mess for himself for these tapes. The next few weeks will be ugly, for sure.

I'm still weirded out by the words on the tapes... and I'm pretty tough. I don't know that anything he can say or do will be enough to overcome the egregiousness of the words. Most people are more sensitive than I am about these kinds of things, and I'm having trouble ...

Yeah, I think he lost most if not all of the undecided women out there who were left. Probably others who were supporting him. Lots of churchy types may abstain from voting who otherwise might have ventured out.

FWIW, guys DO talk like that a lot but it's usually trash talk BS where they're trying to impress their pals. On the other hand, some of the stuff I've heard women talk about among themselves has been more shocking. Girls actually. I started noticing it in Jr. High haha...

One thing guys don't do is get to the level of detail women do about what happens in the bedroom. I know every time I have a girlfriend her friends, relatives know all that shit. My buddies and I usually just send each other a text message saying, "You owe me a high-5", which is code for, "I just got laid".

Glad to see you posted! Apologies for the cunt comment I made above. It suits her though and if she was a guy I'd have thought of something equally as crude.

turtledove is deplorable says

I hope he will do the same with the Clinton sexual assault victims.

That's a bizarre perspective to take. It isn't fighting fire with fire to trot out what the HUSBAND of the actual candidate did.

Rashomon says

You have to laugh. That's your go to source for objective views? You idiots did the same thing last time - 'look at these online polls, the Donald walked it!!' How did that work out?

You lot just have wet knickers because he trotted out a few insulting lines as if that is what is going to impact the well being of the country. The bloke is simply an embarrassment, and the fact you lap it up no matter what he does speaks volumes.

So little alien dude, here is a question for you: Do you think Donald won the debate? Yes or No?

just_passing_through says

FWIW, guys DO talk like that a lot but it's usually trash talk BS where they're trying to impress their pals.

Maybe, maybe not. Presumably it depends who you hang around with. But for a 59 year old public figure to say that to a member of the media... clearly the man has assured judgement.

Just to recap: The Republican candidate criticized Goldman Sachs, pointed out Warren Buffet and George Soros get big tax breaks, called for an end to the carried interest deduction, called Libya/Iraq/Syria interventions Disasters, reprimanded the Gulf States, and called for Detente with Russia.

The Democratic candidate dodged defending her failed interventions, promised to work more with the Gulf States, and took a tough stance with Russia, whom she blamed for releasing her Emails and suggested her opponent was a Manchurian Candidate for ditto.

Tried to vote in the PBS debate poll, but when I chose Trump as the winner, I kept getting this error:

An AJAX HTTP error occurred.
HTTP Result Code: 405
Debugging information follows.
Path: /weta/washingtonweek/system/ajax
StatusText: Not Allowed

Poll: http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/question/who-won-second-presidential-debate

Blurtman says

Tried to vote in the PBS debate poll, but when I chose Trump as the winner, I kept getting this error:

An AJAX HTTP error occurred.

HTTP Result Code: 405

Debugging information follows.

Path: /weta/washingtonweek/system/ajax

StatusText: Not Allowed

Poll: http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/question/who-won-second-presidential-debate

I just got this:

PBS is Temporarily Unavailable

We're sorry, PBS.org is currently experiencing connectivity issues. Please check back later, we will be up and running again as soon as possible.

*No options, that is the first thing I saw. Suspect they didn't like what they were seeing.

Meh, I've heard worse bragging. It's fairly normal speech for a certain kind of guy trying to show off. Like every guy from New York. Trump does seem to lack a word filter, but in some ways, that's a virtue.

As for his daughter, I've seen a lot of that kind of relationship as well, especially from the father of a former girlfriend of mine. Guys love their daughters, and may even be proud of their daughters' bodies, but I'm pretty sure Trump and almost all men see their daughters as daughters first, targets never. Again, Trump just doesn't watch what he says too carefully.

Rashomon says

Maybe, maybe not. Presumably it depends who you hang around with. But for a 59 year old public figure to say that to a member of the media... clearly the man has assured judgement.

I specifically asked for a yes or no because I expected the mealy mouthed answer you gave.

Ditto. Tried with an without US VPN.

Thunderlips is a Pussy Grabber says

Ditto. Tried with an without US VPN.

Got the option this time, but now I get the AJAX error.

just_passing_through says

So little alien dude, here is a question for you: Do you think Donald won the debate? Yes or No?

Thought there weren't any knock out blows either way, but personally I don't like Trump's petty mud slinging and wheezing idiocy, so no I don't think he won the debate. But hey, I'm sure his supporters think otherwise. Just like last time...

just_passing_through says

I specifically asked for a yes or no because I expected the mealy mouthed answer you gave.

Duh, my response was to a completely different post. One that you made FFS.

turtledove is deplorable says

I think that Hillary is every bit as evil as ever...

Her crimes are doing things that she thought would prevent political catastrophe. Political enemies subpoenaed all of her emails, after how many Benghazi hearings ? And then Hillary decided there were things in her emails that would reflect poorly on her. Her real mistake apparently was in using email a lot for communication.

So she made a judgement call that she might not politically survive scrutiny of all of her private email conversations. I'm not defending it. But she did it for political survival, becasue she wants to be PResident and really believes she will do a good job for America.

Now republicans who don't want her to be PResident, think that this is machiavellian and even "evil ?" That's a little strong. It's not surprising really. YOu're going to think it's way more evil, if you think that democratic leadership is wrong for the country, than if you think we need to be finally swinging a little bit back toward the middle of the political spectrum. IT's not evil. She just thought she had private email, and later learned that it wasn't. And then didn't think she could politically survive having all of her emails in the hand of her political enemies.

rando says

Trump does seem to lack a word filter, but in some ways, that's a virtue.

When would that be a virtue if he were President?

Ok, fair enough...

Rashomon says

Trump's petty mud slinging

Trump's petty mud slinging? Are you fucking kidding me? Hillary and the main stream media have been running a smear campaign not a presidential campaign.

If you truly believe that there's no hope for you.

I don't think you do.

Ironman says

There is a list of many polls here that you can go to:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/09/polls-polls-polls-so-who-won-the-second-presidential-debate/

Thanks!

Virtually every pole I checked showed Donald winning by 85%. Some I didn't do b/c I didn't want to submit to discus. Then there is PBS.

Yet Rashomon can't admit Donald won.

Just because YOU don't like him doesn't mean he didn't win dude.

just_passing_through says

Trump's petty mud slinging? Are you fucking kidding me? Hillary and the main stream media have been running a smear campaign not a presidential campaign.

Ha, ha, ha. They attack him for the insults HE THROWS AROUND. He just rolled out women pre debate who have accused her husband not her FFS. Very classy. Very presidential. His whole campaign has revolved around insulting one group or another and making personal attacks against Clinton. Seriously, you must be having a laugh if you're trying to defend the way he's conducted his campaign.

The first debate I thought he did reasonably well in the first quarter of an hour when he got on Trade, but then lost it.

Here he was soft the first round or two and then ran the floor the entire night. He took on the mods and his opponent, got massive audience cheering.

Quick Learner.

Unless, there is another force at work.

just_passing_through says

Thanks!

Virtually every pole I checked showed Donald winning by 85%. Some I didn't do b/c I didn't want to submit to discus. Then there is PBS.

Yet Rashomon can't admit Donald won.

Just because YOU don't like him doesn't mean he didn't win dude.

Hilarious. The exact same thing happened last debate. You think he won that? These are online polls. They are representative of nothing except that Trump supporters are more willing to complete pointless online click bait.

What is the definition of winning ? I don't think he technically beat her, if we are just viewing it as a debate. But the way in which he won is by improving his chances. If it looked like he was at risk of dropping to a 0% chance of winning the election with this debate, but he stopped the free fall, and pleased his base, and even improved his chance of winning from 20% to 25%, that's a win for him !

Expectations were so low for him, that just by not completely and utterly failing, it was a win for him.

I'm glad that he's not going to be forced to drop out of the race.

Rashomon says

Ha, ha, ha. They attack him for the insults HE THROWS AROUND. He just rolled out women pre debate who have accused her husband not her FFS. Very classy. Very presidential. His whole campaign has revolved around insulting one group or another and making personal attacks against Clinton. Seriously, you must be having a laugh if you're trying to defend the way he's conducted his campaign.

He talks a lot of shit but yes, he's spread it out widely it hasn't all been focused on her - until now. He came out counter punching tonight and didn't in the last debate.

He hasn't spent near the money on smear adds as she's done.

She's the ultimate source of 'birther' as well - her and Sidney.

Tonight he kept trying to change the subject to policy yet her and her two fucking moderators kept trying to move the topic back to the stupid video.

He cleaned all 3 of their clocks and won all 3 of the debates tonight yet YOU think he lost. Amazing.

just_passing_through says

Just because YOU don't like him doesn't mean he didn't win dude.

And just because you like him doesn't mean he won. I don't like either of them. I'm not a citizen, so I'm likely far more objective than many on here. I'm much more interested in substance, but Trump seems to revel in banal platitudes and insults. His supporters seem to lap up that sort of thing. It doesn't wash with me.

marcus says

What is the definition of winning ?

I bet you say that to the little kids in your school when the coach hands out participation trophies.

I knew some idiot would say that. OR they would accusing me of acting like Clinton talking about what the definition of is is.

Not that I expect you to get it but, check this out. He won, but it's not the same as actually winning the debate.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/10/09/heres-who-gamblers-say-won-second-debate

We're not going to have a panel of forensics experts judge who won. Which would be a true measure of a technical debate win. But that's irrelevant. If a week from now his poll numbers are any better than they were yesterday, then he won. But that could happen just because he didn't lose as badly as expected. It's about expectations versus performance.

Rashomon says

And just because you like him doesn't mean he won.

And I said as much in the last debate because I'm not blind and deaf. For the record I don't like him much but I love love LOVE what he's doing.

Keep on living in la la land dude and ignore that he's promised to get a special prosecutor on Hillary's tail if he's elected (+100) and was much more specific about the level of Billary's corruption towards women many young folks here are too indoctrinated to know about (+20).

TKO tonight! Woo hoo!

Good to know you're not a citizen and so your opinion doesn't matter.

This is a win

Poll respondents favored Clinton 57% to 37%, according to CNN.

But 63% said Trump did better than they expected he would.

You might disagree with the first part. But the second part is what makes the debate a win for Trump.

I just got caught up. My take... The Don won. He was a dick, but an effective dick. Hillary had to do more than just tell people to fact check. She has to call or specific lies and say they were blatant terrible lies, and say he should be ashamed of himself. Normally, you might not need to do that, but she let him get away with too much. The carried interest bit was rich. She did win the tax issue, but could have been better. Donald's biggest fear was staying focused and on point (for him) for 90 minutes. I was surprised.
Personally, I think Hillary's answers were more truthful and better. But for the general audience, he just grabbed her by the vag and tossed her across the room.

marcus says

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/10/09/heres-who-gamblers-say-won-second-debate

Fox = Rupert Murdoch

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rupert-murdoch-loves-hillary-clinton/

But Murdoch would never interfere with the journalistic integrity of Fox News, right?

Rashomon says

That's a bizarre perspective to take. It isn't fighting fire with fire to trot out what the HUSBAND of the actual candidate did.

Not at all. And I specifically said that he needs to NOT make it about what Bill did, but what Hillary did to cover up his transgressions. Several women have said that Hillary bullied them. That's the story that needs to be put out there. Hillary's role in the coverups and the bullying tactics to get rid of the very types of victims she now claims to champion.

Rashomon says

because he trotted out a few insulting lines as if that is what is going to impact the well being of the country

1. because he said a few _truths_ hardly ever heard on prime time TV

2. mostly likely it will not impact the country - too much propaganda and too many idiots

marcus says

Her crimes are doing things that she thought would prevent political catastrophe.

She, Obama, and Bush have done things for which after WWII people were hanged.

Trump did good, he needs to do more of the same in the 3rd, IOW just hammer her.

He is a genius. This was good. PC might finally be buried.