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Let's make it simple:

EU Population: Over 700 Million
Russia Population: Less than 150 Million

4 of the G8 are NATO members: France, Germany, Italy, and the UK

Russia's GDP is about the same as Italy, alone.

Why do we need NATO again? Hell, why does NATO need us?

To give Georgetown Graduates a sandbox to play with their IR theories in?
It doesn't do all that much for Lockheed or Boeing, since they have their own fighters and civilian airliners, in fact Europe is a major aerospace competitor. So it's not even the Military Industrial Complex Cash.
Almost every European country runs a big fat Trade Surplus against us, Germany and France very much so. SO it's not a valuable net export market.
Being a NATO member and overpaying our share of defense is just an excuse American Elites use to expand their influence, which has no-to-minimal benefits for ordinary Americans.

Rew says

I'm talking all the overseas military presence we have everywhere. All the joint training exercises we carry out with every other nation part of our strategic influence and military projection. Do you realize how big that is?

Imperialism VERRY GOOOD!

Rew says

We had countries begging us for support and partnerships. You think that lasts now?

No, and good.

Rew says

China is now presenting that it will pickup the reigns of responsible environmental policy, since we are dropping it.

China where the government pressures news reporters to stop issuing smog alerts.. BWAHAHAHAHA

Not sure where u got that quote you attached my name to, doesn't link back to those words at all.

NuttBoxer says

China where the government pressures news reporters to stop issuing smog alerts.. BWAHAHAHAHA

Remember, China is a threat so let's not stop outsourcing high tech manufacturing there.

T L Lipsovich says

Why do we need NATO again?

Correct NATO is useless

However you need to view the 2 vids above regarding trade.

Tim Aurora says

And why don't we. Nato is why Russia and China are contained. Otherwise China will gobble up Asia and throw US out of there. How are you going to contain China?

Step One: Stop underwriting their high tech manufacturing and practically handing them bleeding edge electronics fabrication techniques. Stop giving them billions of dollars for exporting manufactured goods, that they can use to build up a high-tech military including advanced cruise missiles and designing 4th or at least 3++ Generation Aircraft.

How's that for a start?

As for Russia, I already put up the numbers: Russia is grossly inferior in manpower and GDP. Their population is less than a third of Europe, and their GDP is about the same as Italy alone.

NATO for was Communism. Communism is dead. Russia is no longer +Poland+Balts+Bulgaria+Czechoslavakia+Hungary+Romania and no longer includes Khazakistan, Ukraine, etc.

It's like asking why the Quadruple Alliance no longer exists - because Napoleon is long since gone. So is Prussia and the Austrian Empire.

Tim Aurora says

I think you meant China. China wil steal all the technology and manufacture at a fraction. It will drive US out of all markets

Yep, so stop outsourcing to China. Tell Samsung and Walmart they can't sell electronics manufactured in China.

The geolocator in your smartphone is the same technology that guides the Chinese Cruise Missile to the deck of the USS Nimitz.

Tim Aurora says

So how did they annex Crimea and whole world just watched.

Crimea has been Russian since before the US existed, it never voted to be part of Ukraine, it was forced into Ukraine for Kruschev to disburse vacation properties to Supporters.

AND, Vladmir would have never done it except he had to send a message to the US Imperialist Warmongers: You might control the Ukraine but I'll be damned if your getting Crimea, the Unsinkable Aircraft Carrier, to use against me.

PS Aurora, US Cold Warriors predicted this. That NATO would expand right up to Russia's borders, and the same people who said in the 90s NATO was no threat, start complaining about Russian aggression when they got too damn close.

What reason does an American have to die for Estonia? Are they a major trade partner? Did they send two divisions to Iraq?

The last time the Baltics were a source of strategic materials, the US Navy's primary Depthfinder was a guy singing out "By the Deep Six, by the Mark Twain, wait... no bottom with this line."

Tim Aurora says

Ah, so USA is the Imperialist. What country is our colony ?

Any country that can't survive without special dispensations via the World Bank and IMF, which the US Controls.

"It's Porky", Victoria Nuland said, "Predicting" the future PM of Ukraine.

PS Ukraine is the first country in history to be allowed to break borrowing limits from International Financial Orgs while engaged in internal conflict.

Tim Aurora says

The State Department’s entire senior administrative team just resigned

MAybe they can get some KGB operatives in there ?

Rew says

We don't need "establishment" expertise anymore

That's right. You have to have no experience in government, be below average intelligence, and believe you have great intuitive instincts about how the world works, if you're really going to change the world.

FP says

rando says

I'm quite happy with that kind of return, especially since my principal is also up more than 15% from where I bought in.

I'm curious - what % of your liquid net worth did you invest in this single stock?

@FP less than 2%

bob2356 says

Bush wrote a budget that expanded the size of the federal government on day one? I never knew that. Learning more and more on this thread. Any idea why he did not use it until year 7?

in your tiny fucking troll mind, do you not remember the outcry over that simpleton's election? and every year after?

even in 2017 - you are attempting to blame bush for obama's increase of the federal workforce at least through 2012.

genius!

"If you grab my Brit pussy, allies or not, I'm gonna nuke you!"

"You sound like a Russian apologist."

That might be the understatement of the year.

Tim Aurora says

I am sure Japan is think about making its own nuclear weapons. I have no doubt about it.

Didn't dislike quote, however that statement is simply not credible

Tim Aurora says

You sound like a Russian apologist. Russia has annexed Crimea , it has sent its troops to Georgia and it has quashed a civil war in Syria which made millions homeless.

Aaaaand, this is all worse than buddying up with Saudi Arabia because? So far, all I got is crickets on this question.

joeyjojojunior says

"You sound like a Russian apologist."

That might be the understatement of the year.

Coming from Saudi apologist, this is comedy gold

T L Lipsovich says

Any country that can't survive without special dispensations via the World Bank and IMF, which the US Controls.

How come Mr know it all can't put two and two together? Could it be that all his talking it's are near verbatim rehash of some MSM site?......nooo, that couldn't be it at all

T L Lipsovich says

Yep, so stop outsourcing to China. Tell Samsung and Walmart they can't sell electronics manufactured in China.

Stop giving security clearance requiring jobs to people who are in h1-B.....doubt Clinton would have done jack shit about that ...we will see how trump does on this matter

NuttBoxer says

Rew says

China is now presenting that it will pickup the reigns of responsible environmental policy, since we are dropping it.

China where the government pressures news reporters to stop issuing smog alerts.. BWAHAHAHAHA

Where do they come up with this drivel?

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Chick ended up with a shithouse situation to start with,

Please elaborate, what is this 'shithouse situation' you speak of?

"Coming from Saudi apologist, this is comedy gold"

wtf? What the hell are you talking about? Please show any instance of me apologizing for Saudi. I'll be waiting with bated breath.

"Aaaaand, this is all worse than buddying up with Saudi Arabia because? So far, all I got is crickets on this question."

False choice. How about we don't buddy up with either.

Tim Aurora says

Ironman says

He just lives in the alternate reality

Ironman says

These people are loyal

Yes, you do need 'establishment' expertise for most positions.
However, to force change that pols are unwilling to execute because of lobbyist obligations, throwing a wrench into a top position or two may get the car started.

Rew says

Why not! Trump is doing the same. We don't need "establishment" expertise anymore.

Make America Mediocre ... Again.

How much is Trump making off the deal?

Sounds like a good thing.
US gets a cut of the foreign mob cash.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

They Want to Launder Russian Mob Money. Get a Clue.

This is not official business with potentially classified information. Very different and in no way comparable to HC issue. Although DT may want to think about securing this account to avoid it being hacked and taken over.

Tim Aurora says

Ah, so USA is the Imperialist. What country is our colony ?

Seriously!?

Puerto Rico
Hawaii
Guam
*Any country where we have a military base.

Iraq
Afganistan
Syria
Yemen
*Any country we bomb the shit out of just because we can.

My, you ARE starry eyed...

Been in one for over a 100 years Tim. Maybe you should research fascism a little more closely.

NuttBoxer says

*Any country where we have a military base.

144 of them, the sun never sets on the US empire.

This is same shit as IHLary pulled and it needs to stop.

It's all Trump's fault!

I thought you were talking about Chinese and Korean government.

Nobody says

I thought you were talking about Chinese and Korean government.

I thought he was just repeating what they tell him on the TV.

This is not based on fact:

See for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communism

From an Escapee of Russia:

Those brushes with communism’s downsides prompted Menaker and many of her friends to embrace capitalism with a rabid intensity.
“Socialism is a conspiracy of losers against achievers,”

Menaker said. “America is the only country where you can come naked with no language and make it in 25 years.”