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82398   Rew   2017 Apr 8, 2:22pm  

See above. No false narrative needed. I give Trump his one point.

If you think Syria is all we have to complain about maybe you don't know libbies as well as you think you do. ;)

82399   Rew   2017 Apr 8, 2:25pm  

I think the real question people are grappling with right now, especially the Trump supporters is: "I voted for Trump because he said he wasn't going to get involved. What happened?"

Where is your outrage for Trump's actions? Isn't this completely out of character for a protectionist nationalist agenda? ;)

82400   Rew   2017 Apr 8, 2:31pm  

He's controlled by whatever smart person persuades him last. ;)

Check? Dude. Soros pays us all digitally.

82401   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Apr 8, 2:32pm  

YesYNot says

Most of us knew about this yesterday. We all knew what she would do in this situation, because she told us last fall. She would have taken the air strips out, though.

You're forgetting she also insisted on a No-Fly Zone, which would A) Help the Jihad ONLY as the Jihadis have no Air Force and B) Start a war with Russia.

82402   Rew   2017 Apr 8, 2:33pm  

C) The magic mole men would also arise from the desert sands to assume their rightful place over humanity.

82403   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Apr 8, 2:34pm  

Another funny thing is that there are no Children in Mosul, only in Aleppo, and American Super Smart Weapons have AI built in that magically detects innocents and self-destructs, even when used in a city siege. That's why we pay Lockheed-Martin the big bucks.

Not one single kid has ever been killed by bombing Syria, Libya, or Northern Iraq by US Munitions.

Also when ISIS uses human shields, we immediately stop bombing and shelling. Unlike the Russians.

Anybody who says otherwise to this is a Putin Agent.

82404   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Apr 8, 2:37pm  

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Not one single kid has ever been killed by bombing Syria, Libya, or Northern Iraq by US Munitions.

That was an of aspect of Trump's language. 'what? Children died? No one knew that. We've got to do something!'

82405   Rew   2017 Apr 8, 2:40pm  

No one thinks that our military action is free from killing innocent life. It is however better than most militaries in the world by a long shot.

In this current action we told the Russians (and by proxy because they will run right to the Syrians) our intentions an hour ahead of time.

We had 1 missile fail and splash in sea. All 58 others hit the airfield, and the majority of which got their intended specific target: plane, fuel, C&C, munitions, bunkers.

We told them we were going to destroy their architecture of aggression in that location ... and then did it.

82406   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Apr 8, 2:42pm  

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

B) Start a war with Russia.

That's doubtful. Her strategy would have passed a bigger risk there, though. Certainly Russia is glad to be dealing with Trump rather than Hillary.

82407   Rew   2017 Apr 8, 2:43pm  

Ironman says

Crap, I haven't seen a nickle..

It's all Starbucks money, so we can:

"Stay wired. Get refugees hired."

82408   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Apr 8, 2:43pm  

YesYNot says

That was an of aspect of Trump's language. 'what? Children died? No one knew that. We've got to do something!'

That was an aspect of Haley AND Hillary's language.

And the latter went right to the invade-invade narrative, "We gotta bring in ALL the Syrian Refugees and the KIDS!!!"

Rew says

No one thinks that our military action is free from killing innocent life. It is however better than most militaries in the world by a long shot.

Of course! When you are bombing cities in support of a siege, kids definitely die and there's no way to avoid it. However the Media did not mention this with Mosul, but hammered it home with repeated gruesome pictures and constant reminders; furthermore they repeated calls from those who demanded a cease-fire against the Jihadis because of it with Aleppo. Even though the opponent is the same!

What we should be is more savvy and cynical when the media pumps one siege, while blasting (no pun intended) another.

82409   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Apr 8, 2:46pm  

PS Notice Swedish (and German, and Marseilles) Truck Attack pictures were too gruesome for most Media; but pictures of both real and staged casualties, including children, in Syria "Has to be seen, the truth may be harsh but we must know it" seems to be the operating principle.

Maybe the Media should have ONE policy for ALL kinds of violence.

82410   Rew   2017 Apr 8, 2:53pm  

It all depends on what you are trying to get your population to do.

- support aggression against a foreign power

- panic, be fearful, and attack your own population and way of life

You would help weaponize terrorism to a further degree. Though I agree with the general principal, we just aren't smart enough to handle some things as they are occurring to us.

82411   Rew   2017 Apr 8, 3:24pm  

Wait! Who is that that I see in the crowd!?

82412   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Apr 8, 3:32pm  

Last Week:

"Trump supporters are all cult-like, no matter how much he shifts gears, they follow him Blindly."

This Week:

"Trump supporters are criticizing Trump... It's the end!!! Haw Haw!!!"*

*Nevermind that for the first time since he arrived in office, the Establishment I voted for is saying nice things about him!

82413   Booger   2017 Apr 8, 3:33pm  

82414   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Apr 8, 3:36pm  

Rew says

You would help weaponize terrorism to a further degree. Though I agree with the general principal, we just aren't smart enough to handle some things as they are occurring to us.

And you're weaponizing invade-invite. YOU just aren't smart enough to get hip to the scam, or you support the scam.

Ah, the Eurocrat opinion. "we're" = "the hoi polloi scum who don't understand how largely unemployed, hostile populations enrich the nation by filling up rentals that would slowly go increasingly vacant as our population becomes more elderly and dies off. What's a few run-over babies for those without limos, ruined schools, and endemic crime and terror if my units keep getting rented. My kids don't go to public school anyway."

I'm certainly not trusting Pointy-Haired Bosses and Trust Fund Babies with Journalism Degrees from Georgetown to make those decisions for me.

Not that it matters, they'll lucky to have jobs and besides the real pics are a click away. You no longer have to subscribe to a newsletter at $50/year to get non-Wall Street alternative opinions.

That's why the Legacy Media is at war with You Tube and what they called "Fake News" before the term was flipped back on them.

Have you seen the Demographics? In 10 years Television viewers and Newspaper Subscribers will be largely in nursing homes.

The internet is "Disrupting" the Middlemen Technocrats who control and reframe information to steer the story "in the right direction" for the Leadership

82415   Rew   2017 Apr 8, 3:53pm  

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

And you're weaponizing invade-invite.

Have we "invaded" Syria now? That's something I won't support.
I'll join Pepe and the Alt-right in protest against that, if that happens.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I'm certainly not trusting Pointy-Haired Bosses and Trust Fund Babies with Journalism Degrees from Georgetown to make those decisions for me.

Yet we appear as a nation to allow them to run the entire country from the Oval office. Too bad they aren't actually as smart as the media. Their messaging absolutely sucks.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

The internet is "Disrupting" the Middlemen Technocrats

It's very true. I'm getting all my news off the net, but it's pretty big mix of mainstream and alternate sources. Mainstream sources aren't dying by any stretch. They are moving over, and figuring out how to do it.

Many so called alternate sources, are merely just opinion on top of actual reporting. It's newsutainment ... not news at all.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Have you seen the Demographics? In 10 years Television viewers and Newspaper Subscribers will be largely in nursing homes.

Fox viewers are there now. One foot in the grave.

82416   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Apr 8, 4:01pm  

Rew says

Fox viewers are there now. One foot in the grave.

From BBC1 to CNN, they aren't much further behind. While everybody hypes Fox News' decrepit average age, few report that CNN is a youthful 61 in comparison:

Through Dec. 15 (which was the day of the last GOP debate), CNN’s median age was 61 years old for total day, and 59 years old for prime time (Monday-Sunday). MSNBC’s audience is two years older, at 63 (for both total day and prime time), while FNC’s is 67 for total day and 68 in prime time. For both MSNBC and FNC that’s the oldest level on record in both dayparts.


http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/whos-got-the-oldest-cable-news-audience/280396

82417   Rew   2017 Apr 8, 4:43pm  

Ok, so the difference in Fox is that the average age viewer is older by almost 10 full years and the outlet is plagued with sex scandals. Got it.

82418   Rew   2017 Apr 8, 4:55pm  

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

This Week:

"Trump supporters are criticizing Trump... It's the end!!! Haw Haw!!!"*

*Nevermind that for the first time since he arrived in office, the Establishment I voted for is saying nice things about him!

Do you not understand that "the establishment" is loving it? I'm laughing my ass off. Keep going Trump!

The score so far for Trump is:

FAIL : immigration, travel ban
FAIL : healthcare/repeal Obamacare
FAIL : floated budget proposal
FAIL : immigration, travel ban v2
WIN : acting-like a Neo-Con on foreign policy

Anti-establishment: -4
Establishment: +1

Next up: the wall and more Russian surprises. I can't wait!

82419   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Apr 8, 5:39pm  

Rew says

Ok, so the difference in Fox is that the average age viewer is older by almost 10 full years and the outlet is plagued with sex scandals. Got it.

Don't be obtuse Rew.

Would anybody like to own a brand where the average age is over 60?

People carry on like Fox is full of old farts, but CNN and MSNBC are watched by hip young peeps or middle aged ones at best.

45 vs. 65 is a big deal. Or 20 vs. 40. If you've got the 40-somethings, you're getting peeps at their max earning years. If you've got 20, you're gonna probably keep them to their peak earning years. At 60, it's downsizing time. An audience of 61 vs 67 is nothing burger.

All these News Channels' average viewers are old enough to join the AARP.

Not appealing to advertisers. They'd rather sponsor the makeup girls and comedians on Youtube to gain Brand Loyalty for life. 60+ is for Depends, LifeAlert, and Reverse Mortgages

82420   Booger   2017 Apr 8, 6:19pm  

82421   marcus   2017 Apr 8, 8:22pm  

"Some 50% of people is woefully unprepared for a financial emergency, new research finds. "

82422   Ceffer   2017 Apr 8, 10:18pm  

I know. You would think two insane, effeminate, posturing psychos would at least give each other professional courtesy.

82423   komputodo   2017 Apr 8, 11:32pm  

Those green shoots should be trees by now.

82424   Ceffer   2017 Apr 9, 12:34am  

If you are a RetiredFuck on Social Security, you are living from entitlement to entitlement.

82425   freespeechforever   2017 Apr 9, 7:08pm  

Obligatory:

82427   Blurtman   2017 Apr 10, 5:54pm  

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Amazing how the First Responders have gas masks handy, but not gloves

You are expecting folks in that war torn hellhole to be perfectly equipped, and therefore not being so means fraud. Crossing the tin foil hat red line?

82428   Strategist   2017 Apr 10, 6:32pm  

Ironman says

The California Policy Center (CPC) has just updated it's annual study on pension contributions required from local California municipalities and, to our complete 'shock', the conclusions are brutal for Cali taxpayers. Among other things, the study found that California taxpayers will be forced to double their contributions to CalPERS over just the next 5 years alone from $5.3 billion in 2017/2018 tax year to $9.8 billion in 2022/2023.

Another reason not to live in this fucking state. The greedy politicians, unions and state employees are bleeding us to death.
They just increased the gas and car tax to fix the roads. I told you it was just for the pensions.

82429   Booger   2017 Apr 10, 7:04pm  

Why the fuck does anyone who is a taxpayer stay in California?

82430   Strategist   2017 Apr 10, 7:18pm  

Booger says

Why the fuck does anyone who is a taxpayer stay in California?

It was for the weather. But my bank balance, what's left of it, is getting hit by a tornado.

82431   Strategist   2017 Apr 10, 7:19pm  

Ironman says

Strategist says

I told you it was just for the pensions.

Marcus says "Thank You"!

You are welcome, Marcus. Please use the money wisely, I worked hard for it.

82432   HEY YOU   2017 Apr 10, 7:35pm  

How many Republicans are,& will be, sucking up Taxpayers dollars sitting on their asses?
Getting Republicans off Govt. SOCIALIST programs could save a beau coup of money.
Republican taxpayers will sit on their asses & do nothing.

82433   marcus   2017 Apr 10, 7:47pm  

Strategist says

You are welcome, Marcus. Please use the money wisely, I worked hard for it.

Most teacher pensions in California, including mine, are not part of CalPers.

Amazing isn't it ? You get a democrat governor (Brown) in combination with a democrat state congress and they actually address the unfunded liabilities issue. Republicans would have gleefully allowed it to become so underfunded as to cause the entire pension system ruin. It's called starve the beast.

THe zerohedge piece is propaganda. Taxpayers aren't getting a tax bill increase, it's just that a hgiher percentage of the budget is going to pensions. This is part of a conserted effort to lower the under funding levels. In the case of teachers pensions, funding at all three levels, employee, municipality and state have also been increased. But again, this is not an increaed tax bill. It's dealing with a problem so that it doesn't cause problems in the future.

Note; THere were years when in the late nineties and 2000 when the stock market was so strong that funding of pensions temporarily ceased.

This is not a problem. IT's a solution being implemented. Stupid zerohedge right wingers don't like it when their diabolical starve the beast conspiracies are foiled.

The new forecasts adopted in February increased the funding shortfall. But actuaries still expect CalSTRS to stay on a long path to full funding, thanks to a long-delayed record rate increase in 2014 that will more than double school district pension costs by 2020.

At a media briefing last week, an actuary said one of the factors maintaining a projection of full funding by 2046, despite the larger shortfall from the new forecasts, is new but tightly limited rate-setting power given CalSTRS as part of the funding package three years ago.

“We still think that probability is greater than 50 percent,” said David Lamoureux, CalSTRS deputy chief actuary. A new annual risk report issued last November, before the new forecasts, put the probability of reaching full funding in three decades at 60 percent.

https://calpensions.com/category/calstrs/funding-gap/

82434   Strategist   2017 Apr 10, 7:48pm  

Ironman says

Strategist says

Booger says

Why the fuck does anyone who is a taxpayer stay in California?

OC

It was for the weather. But my bank balance, what's left of it, is getting hit by a tornado.

That's why you should have moved over here.

We have propane too!!

Well move over. I'm sick of this rotten state and it's communist politicians.
Can I get water/ocean front for 400K? A third of what the boring view costs in North San Diego? Which is supposed to be a bargain?
I also want a man's cave, where my wife can't get in.

82435   marcus   2017 Apr 10, 7:53pm  

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/03/10/commentary-critique-of-browns-pension-reforms-is-off-base/

’s public pension systems, and they are doing exactly that. Their effects will be measured over the lifetimes of thousands of schoolteachers, firefighters, police officers, bus drivers, trash collectors, librarians and others whose labor provides the public services upon which all Californians rely.Related

82436   Strategist   2017 Apr 10, 7:55pm  

marcus says

Strategist says

You are welcome, Marcus. Please use the money wisely, I worked hard for it.

Most teacher pensions in California, including mine, are not part of CalPers.

Marcus, I love education. It's our future. It's the screwed up Unions that keep bad teachers from getting replaced with good ones. I don't mind paying good teachers more, it's the bad ones I have a problem with. They need to be fired.

82437   marcus   2017 Apr 10, 8:11pm  

Strategist says

I don't mind paying good teachers more, it's the bad ones I have a problem with. They need to be fired.

You're misinformed about this. I know of specific examples of bad teachers being forced out. It happens. Also, if a teacher is not good, they are going to find the job far more stressful and unrewarding, which is why a significant percentage of teachers move on to something else on their own in the first five years.

It's complicated, but I believe a certain amount of job security is ultimately a plus for students and the community and not just the teachers. It causes teachers to feel secure in their jobs, and thus it means that it's not easy to destroy their careers on the whim of a bad administrator. A teacher's highest priority should be doing what's right for their students, not fearing what some rogue administrator might do to them without due process.

IT also prevents ageism. Sadly, without union protections, teachers would indeed often be replaced by younger cheaper teachers for simple financial reasons, not becasue the younger teachers are better. This might seem like a plus, but it would be a major inhibitor of great people going in to teaching. Who wants to devote decades to a craft, only to have to worry about being put out to pasture and find a new career in their 50s ? Put differently, the long term job security is an incentive factor for great people to accept the limited financial upside in teaching.

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