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joeyjojojunior says

Yep, and it died like every other good idea in the hands of the Republicans. So, what did you do--vote for more Republicans!

Did the Republicans force Obama to prosecute more whistleblowers under the Espionage act than all other Presidents Combined?

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Not Hillary

I beg to disagree. I doubt Hillary would have traded concessions in State policy towards China in return for trademarks on Chelsea's clothing line.

errc says

So what have The plutocrats given up so far with the Trump presidency?

I agree--Trump has been the plutocrat's wet dream so far. He doesn't care about policy. He'll do whatever you want as long as you feed his ego.

errc says

So what have The plutocrats given up so far with the Trump presidency?

How about the Media backs off inventing the Watergate of the Week via an "anonymous Source" for a couple of weeks and let's see what gets done.

Obama's job was to run down the clock on the Statute of Limitations on Financial Crimes and prevent sweeping reforms, by distracting with a massive health insurance corporation subsidy program.

The Media's job right now is to shield Republicans from having to implement Trump policies, until they run the clock down to 2018.

They are going to hang him by the balls in a public place.
They will make an example.
It won't be pretty.

jazz music says

Are you tired of wining yet?

no.

By this time Obama already had a Nobel Prize!

He's a scud, launched into the corporate process known as the US government, by people disenfranchised on so many levels.
Bring back the manufacturing jobs, Trump goes away.
Scale back political correctness to sane levels, Trump goes away.
Give us our private bathrooms, Trump goes away.
At least appear to protect our borders, Trump goes away.
and on and on and on...

rando says

Heraclitusstudent says

He's a clown, an egomaniac, a liar, childish, incompetent, doesn't agree with the establishment ideas.

Not sure he's incompetent, but otherwise yes, all true.

Hillary had it in the bag at the wire.
All she had to do was show up in the blue wall states to seal the deal.
But the presidency was ripped out of their grip at the last moment.
Couple that with the hiway robbery of the SCJ pick, and you wind up with a most severe case of
Election ButtHurt, plain and simple.

socal2 says

rando says

You really believe Trump told the Russians our most guarded secrets?

See - this is a prime example of Democrats going absolutely ape-shit.

They are so over the top - it is hard to discern if it is satire or not. They have become a total joke.

Yes.
Because Trump unclassified it by uttering it.

joeyjojojunior says

Do you have reason to believe it wasn't highly classified information?

joeyjojojunior says

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Not Hillary

I beg to disagree. I doubt Hillary would have traded concessions in State policy towards China in return for trademarks on Chelsea's clothing line.

Nah but she might just ink the largest arms deal in history w Saudi Arabia while acknowledging SA as the primary source of clandestine support for ISIS.

Oh...nm...she already did that.

CBOEtrader says

joeyjojojunior says

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Not Hillary

I beg to disagree. I doubt Hillary would have traded concessions in State policy towards China in return for trademarks on Chelsea's clothing line.

Nah but she might just ink the largest arms deal in history w Saudi Arabia while acknowledging SA as the primary source of clandestine support for ISIS...AND at the same time accept a few dozen millions in cash for the clinton foundation.

Oh...nm...she already did that.

"Nah but she might just ink the largest arms deal in history w Saudi Arabia while acknowledging SA as the primary source of clandestine support for ISIS. Oh...nm...she already did that."

Except we're talking about how Trump uses his position to enrich his family.

YAW... Yet another Watergate

Anonymous source
Media flips out, "this is it"
Info doesn't add up
Media backs off
Find new anonymous source, repeat

The goal is simply to overwhelm Trump with a boatload of baseless stories now but I think Trump fatigue is in. At this point non blue loyalists are not paying attention anymore, and simply view the media as his opponent with biases

Meanwhile, Watch Ryan, and watch him close.

Patrick says

Are They Really Out to Get Trump? Sometimes paranoia is justified

It's politics. Every high ranking politician is targeted by the opposition and competition. Trump is only different because he's committed clear crimes already. The other politicians were all criminals, too, but they were more subtle.

"Anonymous source
Media flips out, "this is it"
Info doesn't add up
Media backs off"

Give me one example of that happening. Just one. (and the pee dossier doesn't work. Buzzfeed isn't MSM. MSM refused to report it)

Dan8267 says

Trump is only different because he's committed clear crimes already.

He's been accused of crimes w no proof. That IS the difference.

It isn't trump. The left has gone insane and needs to be stopped.

joeyjojojunior says

(and the pee dossier doesn't work. Buzzfeed isn't MSM. MSM refused to report it

http://us.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia/index.html

CNN isn't MSM? Finally

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I'm for giving Trump a fair swing. Between the unprecedented lack of a Honeymoon and the constant:

"THIS IS THE WATERGATE!! THIS TIME WE GOTS HIM!" upteen times since January, one thing I learned is that the Media is absolutely biased beyond belief and definitely controlled by Oligarchs pushing their preferred policies.

#MAGA two Scoops.

The media has thrown their integrity to the wind.

CBOEtrader says

He's been accused of crimes w no proof. That IS the difference.

There is far more evidence of his crimes than there were of Obama's or Hillary's. You are being partisan.

Hell, we have live video of him committing the crime of conspiring with the Russians to hack into computers. And Trump admitted to firing Comely for the purpose of obstructing his investigation. This is a very serious crime, and there is not even reasonable doubt that Trump is guilty of it. And we have definitive proof that several members of his cabinet committed perjury when they testified that they had no contact with the Russian government. Any one of these crimes could result in years, even decades, in prison.

The only reason you are defending Trump is because he's on "your team" instead of the other. If Hillary did this, you could be calling for her execution as a traitor. The difference is that I would call for independent prosecution regardless of which politician did this.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I'm for giving Trump a fair swing. Between the unprecedented lack of a Honeymoon and the constant:

Trump is an unprecedented precident. Considering the media's reporting after 100 days, you could call the first 100 days a honeymoon.

"http://us.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia/index.html CNN isn't MSM? Finally"

Which part of that report isn't true? Which part doesn't add up?

The report was that Intel chiefs presented Trump with the dossier. Not that the dossier was true. In fact, CNN was painstakingly clear that the reports were unverified and unconfirmed.

Dan8267 says

There is far more evidence of his crimes than there were of Obama's or Hillary's. You are being partisan.

This is an absolute untruth. In fact Hillary's crimes were so obvious that according to the MSM, merely releasing her emails cost her the election.

Dan8267 says

Hell, we have live video of him committing the crime of conspiring with the Russians to hack into computers.

LOLZ, post the video so we can laugh at you.

Dan8267 says

And Trump admitted to firing Comely for the purpose of obstructing his investigation.

Sigh, same answer as above.

Dan8267 says

And we have definitive proof that several members of his cabinet committed perjury when they testified that they had no contact with the Russian government.

Also a lie, but you do you.

Dan8267 says

independent prosecution

Who would be an independent prosecutor? You mean the Obama nominee Laufman who declared Hillary's 49k email investigation closed in a few days?

In case you haven't noticed, the crooks are a bi-partisan team. If you go independent prosecutor route, you get Mccain and Pelosi leading a bi-partisan Trump railroading team. Trump is fighting these crooks, and thus they are trying to destroy him.

joeyjojojunior says

Give me one example of that happening. Just one. (and the pee dossier doesn't work. Buzzfeed isn't MSM. MSM refused to report it)

Give you one right off the top of my head: rosenstein threatened to quit. No he didn't, and the media ran from an alleged anonymous source without trying to confirm

Even during Watergate, Bernstein and Woodward had to get on the record sources and other evidence before the wapo would print the story.

I honestly wonder if the shit is just made up.

What's amazing is people are witnessing the oligarchy use it's full weight to eliminate the threat of any, even mod3st reform. And they're in not in denial, they're rooting for the vested interests.

Where is the coverage of the DNC lawsuit, where DNC lawyers are saying they have no contractual obligation to be fair, indeed can select nominee in smoke filled room regardless of primary vote, because the word impartial is too nebulous and unenforeable.

Republican paranoia: Mitch McConnell wanted to make Obama a one term President?
They fought Obama from day one. How do they like the "comes around"?
But Democrats aren't being nice. Snowflake response!
Hypocrisy is strong in Republicans.
.......
Fuck Democrats & Republicans & their brainwashed ideology.

CBOEtrader says

This is an absolute untruth. In fact Hillary's crimes were so obvious that according to the MSM, merely releasing her emails cost her the election.

This is partisan hackery. You claim that team Hillary committed murder on evidence far less than that against Trump. Utter hypocrisy.

Well, Trump was right about one thing, and CBOEtrader demonstrates this fact beyond any doubt.
www.youtube.com/embed/qC16c98hDPc

Yes, Trump could commit murder on live television and his supporters would still support him. No crime would detract from their support because Trump is the only person to ever call them smart. Insecurity breeds unconditional loyalty. It's exactly why people follow cult leaders. It makes them feel safe and special.

Trump couldn't shoot anyone,OBAMA took our guns.
No paranoia just facts.

Dan8267 says

No crime would detract from their support because Trump is the only person to ever call them smart. Insecurity breeds unconditional loyalty. It's exactly why people follow cult leaders. It makes them feel safe and special.

I disagree. I think you've got Trump supporters' feeling wrong.

It's a reaction to the contempt that coastal elites show for "flyover country", and elite indifference to the devastation of American industry via globalization.

Those voters correctly perceived that the coastal elites also have contempt for Trump for similar reasons, and so they feel a kind of kinship with him as a fellow "deplorable".

"Give you one right off the top of my head: rosenstein threatened to quit. No he didn't, and the media ran from an alleged anonymous source without trying to confirm Even during Watergate, Bernstein and Woodward had to get on the record sources and other evidence before the wapo would print the story. I honestly wonder if the shit is just made up."

That story is real and no MSM outlets are running from it. Of course it's being publicly denied--what did you expect?

Here's what actually happens:

MSM releases story about Trump scandal
Trump Administration officially denies it. Calls it Fake News
Trump tweets at 3AM that, yes he did it. And so what.
Trump Administration officials say yes it's true, but it's no big deal.
Spicer tells reporters to stop asking about it. Liberal media is the only one who cares
Trump Administration says they will no longer answer any questions about said scandal.

rando says

I think you've got Trump supporters' feeling wrong.

It depends on what you mean by supporters. There are people who voted for Trump even though they didn't like him. People who wanted any change. People who considered him the lesser of two evils. People who just found Hillary unacceptable. People who could not let the DNC be rewarded for their treachery. I would not call any of these people Trump supporters. Hell, I was one of the people in the last group. At worse, they are Trump tolerators, forced to pick one evil or another.

Then there are the die hard supporters who never believe that Trump does anything wrong no matter how strong the evidence. CBOEtrader, Strategist, and piggy are examples of these people. They like Trump for the same reason they liked Bush Jr. He's an idiot they can identify with, and he makes them feel smart and important. He's not doing anything in their interests, but he says things they like being said.

rando says

Those voters correctly perceived that the coastal elites also have contempt for Trump for similar reasons, and so they feel a kind of kinship with him as a fellow "deplorable".

And that is tribalism. It's the cause of most of our problems.

I've said many times that the left and the right are just two conservative tribes fighting each other. Tribalism is the quintessential property of conservatism. At it's core, conservatism is dogmatic loyalty to your tribe and a hatred of all other tribes. It is based entirely on identity politics whether it's the KKK or SJW. It's always about race, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, immigration status, cowboys or hippies, or some other us vs them group mentality.

In contrast, liberalism is all about the rights of the individual and making sure no person has power over another person. We need more liberalism in our country. It's the only cure for the left and the right, as well as for Islamism.

And this is a very serious problem. It has become the norm for each tribe to outright promote debunked lies as indistinguishable facts and to reject all facts that contradict their ideology as falsehoods. The very concept of a republic does not work unless the population has a strong, accurate grasp on reality including distinguishing between facts and falsehoods. No republic, nonetheless a democracy, can survive if the voting public is delusional.

The unconditional support of Trump displayed on PatNet and in general is essentially a religion. It is devoid of factual accountability and based entirely on faith. Politics as religion is always a dangerous thing.

socal2 says

But they loved Bill Clinton and his enabling wife Hillary.

Another fine example of tribalism. Us vs. them. You either on my team or the enemy team.

Can't accept that both are bad.

BlueSardine says

He's a scud, launched into the corporate process known as the US government, by people disenfranchised on so many levels.

Bring back the manufacturing jobs, Trump goes away.

Scale back political correctness to sane levels, Trump goes away.

Give us our private bathrooms, Trump goes away.

At least appear to protect our borders, Trump goes away.

and on and on and on...

Nah... it's easier to just stone him.

Dan8267 says

Then there are the die hard supporters who never believe that Trump does anything wrong no matter how strong the evidence. CBOEtrader, Strategist, and piggy are examples of these people. They like Trump for the same reason they liked Bush Jr.

Lol, dan consistently thinks he knows shit he doesn't know. I neither voted for trump or bush jr. I think bush jr is perhaps the worst president ever, with the possible exception of Obama.

zzyzzx says

CNN is fair in the same way that Russian elections are fair. In fact they get about the same stats, 96% solidarity w their propaganda.

Dan8267 says

I've said many times that the left and the right are just two conservative tribes fighting each other.

This is fair. Obama and Clinton are both neocons.

Trump is standing up to the bi-partisan criminals, while they show they are thick as thieves against him.

How about we take a look at the DNC servers, seth rich's laptop, comey's notes, and all transcripts of comey/trump and trump/Russia meetings... then go from there?

Dan8267 says

The people who were counting on Trump for their economic livelihood were duped. They were fools,

Clinton said that NAFTA was create Millions of new jobs:

http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/bill-clinton/videos/clinton-signs-nafta

If you think that in 3 months that Trump (who has started many businesses) is duping people when NAFTA made over 100,000 small businesses bankrupt and most of the manufacturing is done offshore, then who is being duped?

Who is the better president? One that hold onto NAFTA as the giant sucking sound of jobs implodes the US economy for over two decades?
Who is the better president: One that lobbys outwardly to keep Carrier and 100s of other jobs from being outsourced?

What a fool believes.......