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As a libertarian who see's both sides stacked with horse shit, I have to say it's still very entertaining to see the left imploding like this.

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Why do you think it is, that all you libertarians are only critical of the dems, while only voting for the Republicans?

errc says

As a libertarian who see's both sides stacked with horse shit, I have to say it's still very entertaining to see the left imploding like this.

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Why do you think it is, that all you libertarians are only critical of the dems, while only voting for the Republicans?

As I didn't vote for Trump and haven't voted Republican in a presidential election ever, I couldn't say personally.

But my guess is that the left is looking far more statist and radical the past 8 years which has lead to independents voting GOP and even moderate democrats to switch allegiances in 2016. Trump flipped 200+ Democrat counties to Republican and evicerated the Democrat "blue wall" of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

That's my take.

The rodeo clown whose controversial routine wearing a Barack Obama mask got him banned for life from the Missouri State Fair said in his first televised interview Monday he’d mocked other presidents in the past during his act.

“I didn’t think anything more of it than what we’ve done 15 years ago, ten years ago, five years ago, when we’ve done it with Bush, Clinton and Ronald Reagan,” Tuffy Gessling told CNN Kansas City affiliate KCTV.

Asked whether he was a Republican or Democrat, Gessling said simply, “I’m a rodeo clown.”

The stunt that landed him in hot water happened earlier this month when he was performing at the Missouri State Fair. Wearing the Obama mask and holding a broom descending from his backside, Gessling ran through the ring while a voice said, “Hey, I know I’m a clown. He’s just running around acting like one. Doesn’t know he is one.”

The response was quick. Aside from the Missouri State Fair ban, the president of the Missouri Rodeo Cowboy Association resigned. Missouri lawmakers condemned the incident.

Gessling described a vitriolic reaction after the national outcry over his act.

“I’ve had one lady spit in my face, called me a dirty name, spit in my face and walked off,” Gessling told KCTV. “I’ve had somebody threaten to run me over. One of them wanted to burn the house down.”

But the routine, which some labeled racist, had nothing to do with skin color, Gessling claimed.

“I never did anything because of anybody’s race. I don’t care what color somebody is. If they’re blue, white, green, polka dotted, striped … it doesn’t bother me one bit,” he said, adding later he’d be “honored” to shake Obama’s hand.

Rodeo Clown Ethics demand Gessling's removal from the industry, immediately!

It was a sad day in the clown world when a "clown" at the Missouri State Fair put on a mask in the likeness of President Barack Obama and wore a broomstick attached to his behind to perform in a rodeo in America's Heartland.
Some would ask: How this is different from late-night pundits making mocking comments about every political person alive? It is different in that it goes against everything a clown stands for and makes fun of our president in a way that is truly offensive on so many levels.
As someone who has performed as a "real" clown for 32 years and has taught the craft to hundreds of clowns, I would like the world to know that we have a code of ethics that we adhere to so that our life of making the world smile goes on without hurting people. Among the ethics is a ban on "blue humor."

Remember Folks, a rodeo clown in an Obama mask is beyond all decency. Presenting the decapitated head of the President? Meh, just art!

Liberals go overboard with hate.

Tim Allen let go for being republican. This witch suggests president murder and is probably celebrated by hollywood liberals.

FortWayne says

Liberals go overboard with hate.

Once more, you are thinking of conservatives like yourself. What did you call gays? Oh yeah, abominations and mentally ill.

"Kathy Griffin will not be back as co-host of CNN's annual New Year's Eve program, the network announced Wednesday.

In an initial statement, Griffin said she "did not condone ANY violence" by her fans or others."

She is asserting that without his head, Trump's IQ will rise by 100 points.

You Snowflakes Republicans need a a crying towel?
Are your little feelies hurt.

Kathy Griffin is sooo much worse than G.W.Bush & Republicans killing & injuring American servicemen based on the Republican LIE.
Try & defend this maiming & slaughter of Americans.

Laugh off Americans' death,you fucking Republicans.
"CNN viewers emailed the network to vent their anger at the joke. "How can a thinking, caring human being joke about the lies that led to body bags and broken young men and women?"
"It was tasteless and childish. It shows the true man - or child in his case."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/26/usa.iraq

Hope Republican parents that lost children in this LIE WAR are still suffering.
You vote against your best interest.

HEY YOU says

Hope Republican parents that lost children in this LIE WAR are still suffering.

You vote against your best interest.

You are really a sick individual...a sad excuse for a human being....that being said, she fucked up and took it too far.

How come she's not stump fucking the head with a strap on?

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

Liberals go overboard with hate.

Once more, you are thinking of conservatives like yourself. What did you call gays? Oh yeah, abominations and mentally ill.

And I was right both times. Thank you for pointing that out. But I don't promote decapitating people, like your team does.

FortWayne says

But I don't promote decapitating people, like your team does.

I don't promote fucking toddlers like your team does.

Hey, if we're throwing around baseless conjectures, why not that one?

By the way, only conservatives have ever promoted decapitation. Example: ISIS. ISIS is conservative. That's your team.

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

But I don't promote decapitating people, like your team does.

I don't promote fucking toddlers like your team does.

Hey, if we're throwing around baseless conjectures, why not that one?

Because Kathy is on your team, so my claim isn't baseless. Yours is, and you really should stop abusing children in every other sentence, it's not good Dan.

Since when the fuck is Kathy Griffin a liberal? Sounds like a leftist conservative.

Besides, Osama bin Laden was on YOUR team. He's a conservative who hates gays. Yep, definitively your team.

Oh, by the way, Fort Wayne, it looks like your team is still doing that whole lynch the black guy thing. At least Kathy Gifford, comedian, was making a bad joke. Your team is serious on the whole lynching thing, and they've done it many times in the past.

Damn, your team is evil.

jazz music says

Goran_K says

the general public just does not trust the MSM's narrative anymore,

Trust only the GOP shitfountains like Breitbart, Info Wars, 95% of all talk radio and Fox. Trust them to death. All else is fake.

Freedom is breitbart grabbing the Trumpcucks by the ears whilst Rupert Murdoch throatfucks his pawns into submission, and you'll know they've had enough when the cum curdles out their noses as they scream for more reaming of their collective asses, just as the Founding Fathers envisioned!

errc says

I cashed out, bigly. Free money

Sure you did.

Dan8267 says

Oh, by the way, Fort Wayne, it looks like your team is still doing that whole lynch the black guy thing. At least Kathy Gifford, comedian, was making a bad joke. Your team is serious on the whole lynching thing, and they've done it many times in the past.

All done by people who have no audience, no clout, no pull. Not normalized into GOP culture.

Kathy Griffin on the other hand was employed by CNN, has been a regular guest on Bill Maher's HBO show, has a NetFlix special, 2+ Million liberal followers on Twitter/Facebook, and is going on a book tour with CURRENT Democrat U.S Senator Al Franken. She's about as normalized into leftist/Democrat culture as anyone on the planet.

There's a huge difference in reach here.

jazz music says

Unprecedented, the outcry for a safe space.

What famous person who just hosted a NYE's event on a Cable Channel, working with a famous photographer took that picture? They're not even in it.

Canyon County?

Goran_K says

Not normalized into GOP culture.

Obviously you haven't paid attention to the last election. This is quite normalized.

In contrast, Kathy Gifford made a tasteless and unfunny joke. Sure, criticize her for that, but it does not compare to the serious threats of violence by conservative. And yes, both the conservative left and the conservative right are violent.

Yep, more proof that the left and the right are the same. That's why they are both equally conservative.

Dan8267 says

Obviously you haven't paid attention to the last election. This is quite normalized.

In contrast, Kathy Gifford made a tasteless and unfunny joke. Sure, criticize her for that, but it does not compare to the serious threats of violence by conservative. And yes, both the conservative left and the conservative right are violent.

Are you kidding?

If Sean Hannity had done the same thing to Obama's head, he would have been prosecuted and served time in prison.

Also, wtf is "conservative left". Are you trying to call Kathy Griffin a conservative?

Goran_K says

If Sean Hannity had done the same thing to Obama's head, he would have been prosecuted and served time in prison.

Bullshit.

Goran_K says

Also, wtf is "conservative left".

Leftists are conservatives just like the right. The left and the right are virtually identical differing only in unimportant and arbitrary cultural preferences. Their core beliefs are the same, specifically
1. People should not be equal under the law. Some people should have privileges. The left and the right will want different privileges for different people, but they still want privileges, not rights.
2. People should not be allowed to do things even if those things do not violate other people's rights. Again, the left and the right will have different list of prohibited things, bu they are still following this principle whether it's banning flag burning or hate speech.
3. There should be secrecy in government actions. The left and right will keep different secrets, but they both are for this.

Clearly, the left and the right are both conservative. To say otherwise is a bold face lie. And these two tribes are not alone. ISIS, pseudo-feminists, Christian fundamentalists, creationists, and whale eaters are also conservative tribes. Put simply, conservatism comes in different flavors, but they are all made from the same ingredients.

The person hanging an effigy of Trump is no different than the person hanging an effigy of Obama. And anyone who says that either is more like Henry Fonda or Noam Chomsky than the other hangman is simply lying or a fool.

The violence of anti-Trump protesters is the same as the violence of the Trump supporters. They are both thugs. They use the exact same tactics. They hold the exact same beliefs as stated in the list above.

This is not a hard concept to grasp, but I'll draw a picture for you.

Dan8267 says

Leftists are conservatives just like the right. The left and the right are virtually identical differing only in unimportant and arbitrary cultural preferences. Their core beliefs are the same, specifically

1. People should not be equal under the law. Some people should have privileges. The left and the right will want different privileges for different people, but they still want privileges, not rights.

2. People should not be allowed to do things even if those things do not violate other people's rights. Again, the left and the right will have different list of prohibited things, bu they are still following this principle whether it's banning flag burning or hate speech.

3. There should be secrecy in government actions. The left and right will keep different secrets, but they both are for this.

So name people you believe are left liberals.

Goran_K says

errc says

I cashed out, bigly. Free money

Sure you did.

Posted here at patnet.

Bought Hilldog-300
Bought Trump +420

See there's this thing called arbitrage, but it seems thats a little beyond your pay grade.

But very honest of you to quote my post with the Clinton wager, and not the Trump one. You win!

Goran_K says

So name people you believe are left liberals.

A liberal, by definition, believes
1. All people are equal under law. We are a nation of rights, not privileges, and everyone has the same right.
2. People should be allowed to do what they want as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of others. There should be no victimless crimes.
3. Government should be transparent and accountable for its actions.

The people you call "leftist liberals" do not meet this definition and therefore are not liberals. Since they disbelieve in the above principles, they are, by definition, conservatives. The entire liberal vs conservative fight has always been about these three principles, not about arbitrary cultural preferences like do you listen to Garth Brookes or Adele.

These three principles are the core issues in every debate on U.S. policy from climate change to warfare to legalize pot to same sex marriages to Wikileaks to gerrymandering to the war on drugs to voting rights and voter ID laws to the draft to the rich-poor gap. Unless you are talking in terms of these principles, you aren't talking about the core issues.

And the bottom line is that the left and the right are virtually identical on these issues and are the exact opposite of liberals. You don't get to impose deliberately misleading labels. The left and the right have almost everything in common. Their only differences are arbitrary and unimportant. No labeling will change this critical fact.

Dan8267 says

A liberal, by definition, believes

1. All people are equal under law. We are a nation of rights, not privileges, and everyone has the same right.

2. People should be allowed to do what they want as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of others. There should be no victimless crimes.

Therefore you are not a Liberal because you want the power of the State to ban private religious belief and have basically said Republicans should be locked up because they don't believe in the same policies as you.

You want to infringe on the rights of others.........like all Commie Totalitarians have done in the past.

Anyhoo - have you managed to identify a "Liberal" in American political life that meets your definition? Certainly there has to be someone.

Dan8267 says

A liberal, by definition, believes

1. All people are equal under law. We are a nation of rights, not privileges, and everyone has the same right.

2. People should be allowed to do what they want as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of others. There should be no victimless crimes.

3. Government should be transparent and accountable for its actions.

The people you call "leftist liberals" do not meet this definition and therefore are not liberals. Since they disbelieve in the above principles, they are, by definition, conservatives. The entire liberal vs conservative fight has always been about these three principles, not about arbitrary cultural preferences like do you listen to Garth Brookes or Adele.

These three principles are the core issues in every debate on U.S. policy from climate change to warfare to legalize pot to same sex marriages to Wikileaks to gerrymandering to the war on drugs to voting rights and voter ID laws to the draft to t...

Okay, so who are actual liberals? Name some people.

Dan8267 says

Oh, by the way, Fort Wayne, it looks like your team is still doing that whole lynch the black guy thing. At least Kathy Gifford, comedian, was making a bad joke. Your team is serious on the whole lynching thing, and they've done it many times in the past.

One difference between the ones you show and the ones Twoscoops showed is that the Trump ones are Media productions not some random idiot like with the Obama ones. There are always going to be nuts on both sides nothing is ever going to stop that, but on the left it is sanctioned and produced by the media.

It wasn't right wing, it was everyone telling liberals "wtf is wrong with you people".

Clearly you still have no idea why your team has issues.

jazz music says

#epically_triggered.

Ring wing reacts in hysteria, demands safe space.

Dan8267 says

A liberal, by definition, believes

1. All people are equal under law. We are a nation of rights, not privileges, and everyone has the same right.

2. People should be allowed to do what they want as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of others. There should be no victimless crimes.

3. Government should be transparent and accountable for its actions.

socal2 says

Therefore you are not a Liberal because you want the power of the State to ban private religious belief and have basically said Republicans should be locked up because they don't believe in the same policies as you.

Not even remotely close. Christians violate the rights of others all the fucking time. It's a rare exception that Christians aren't violating basic rights. From slavery to gay marriage bans, throughout the entire scope of history, including American history specifically, Christianity has been used to severely violate the rights of others. Since I'm forced to choose between basic human rights like free speech and marriage and the right to practice delusional rituals, I'll gladly choose the former over the later.

Besides, America has never had freedom of religion. Want to make human sacrifices? Illegal. Want to dance naked in the forest? Illegal. Want to take spiritual drugs? Illegal. Refuse to join the military when drafted? Illegal. Refuse to contribute to war in any matter at all? Illegal. Refuse to pay taxes for wars? Illegal. You cannot even follow the commandment "thou shalt not kill" in America. Indirectly through taxation, you are forced to murder people including children. So don't give this bullshit that giving special privileges to Christianity is somehow freedom of religion. That's complete hypocritical bullshit.

Want to try again about how I don't follow those principles? Go on. You get three lives in this game.

socal2 says

Anyhoo - have you managed to identify a "Liberal" in American political life that meets your definition? Certainly there has to be someone.

Goran_K says

Okay, so who are actual liberals? Name some people.

There are many, most of which are not famous. However, even if there were zero liberals including myself, my statements would still be true. The merits of a political philosophy is not determined by popularity. If it were, than Nazism would have had great merits.

In any case, the poster boy for liberalism is Noam Chomsky, and he has written and spoken extensively on politics and policy. So if you are going to attempt to poison the well, he's your target. However, a liberal being a bad person does not invalidate the philosophy. You'd have to show that the philosophy itself is bad, and you fuckers can't do that. I can point out shitloads of bad Christians. Hitler comes to mind. Does Hitler by himself invalidate all of Christianity?

The difference between fools and wise men is that fools look for examples of people who are in a group to show that the platform of the group is wrong, and this is logically invalid. The wise man attacks the platform itself. I can name shitloads of bad things about Christianity itself without mentioning a single Christian. You cannot do the same regarding liberalism.

But hey, prove me wrong. Show how the three principles of liberalism are bad things and why we should reject them. Go on, grow a pair of balls and do that.

rpanic01 says

One difference between the ones you show and the ones Twoscoops showed is that the Trump ones are Media productions not some random idiot like with the Obama ones. There are always going to be nuts on both sides nothing is ever going to stop that, but on the left it is sanctioned and produced by the media.

You've missed the real point. The left and the right are the same side. As much as they hate each other, they are one the side of irrationality, tribalism, and state enforced culture. We liberals are on the side of rationality, freedom, and cultural agnosticism. That's the real war being fault. It's always been that war and not about which bathroom people can use.

Learn to see the forest from the trees.

jazz music says

Originally Quakers dominated and discriminated against Catholics and Jews.

Until Wiccans can dance naked in the streets, parks, and woodlands, there is no freedom of religion in America.

Until I don't have to pay a single cent for our immoral military, there is no freedom of religion in America.

Until pot heads can take whatever mind-altering drugs they want to have spiritual experiences, there is no freedom of religion in America.

If we can outlaw all those religious practices, we should treat all religions equally by outlawing them all.

Gloria, Gloria, I think Griffin's got your daughter's number...

Holds head of President. Family complains - but she's the one being bullied. Oy Vey.

... oh man, the Left must be groaning about this. Will they defend her?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Gloria, Gloria, I think Griffin's got your daughter's number...

I think she's found the alias you've been living under, oh Gloria.

I miss Laura Branigan. She was great.

Goran_K says

errc says

I cashed out, bigly. Free money

Sure you did.

Perssonally, I like when my friends win money. I figure that they'll buy the beer.

Dan8267 says

In any case, the poster boy for liberalism is Noam Chomsky

Chomsky is one of the biggest supporters of statism on the entire planet. He's a huge supporter of the welfare state, and gun control. I thought liberals had to think "we are a nation of rights not privileges" and "People should be allowed to do what they want as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of others"? Doesn't seem to pass your own sniff test.

I've actually seen Chomsky speak and debate live, his views are convoluted. He supports libertarian, marxist, and anarchist positions depending on the subject.

I'd say using your own criteria, Dave Rubin is a true modern liberal.