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From the department of unintended consequences: In the same way as the Republican party suddenly became a friend of Russia once Democrats started hating Russia, perhaps the Republican party will now act in favor of gun control?
What will likely happen is that the continuing stream of hate from Democrats will lead to big victories in 2018 and 2020. According to a May Gallop poll, Democrats have a 40% favorability rating, whatever made up fantasy they tried to dream up about Russia-Trump has never stuck, and they invested 7+ months of their energy into it. Total fail.
As for gun control, and what I'm about to say is backed by FBI statistics, if you took the right to own and bear arms from Democrats, gun crime would go down by 80%.
Does anyone in their right mind think that open carry really helps?
Does anyone in their right mind look at Chicago, and think strict gun control helps?
Who commits the most gun violence of the political type in the US, right wing fanatics or left wing fanatics? I think we all know the answer to that. It is sad that the right wingers are falling all over themselves trying to blame left-leaning media and left-leaning fanatics for the Virginia baseball shootings. I did not hear you complain about right-wing media or right-wing fanatics during any of the many instances of right wing gun terror.
And that brings up the bonus question: Was this event terrorism or not? Also, is it terrorism when some white right-wing fanatic commits gun violence? Yes, this question is relevant because the right wing is very adamant about branding certain cases of violence as terrorism, but not so much others.
From hot tears to hot lead, but can't shoot straight. It sucks to be a liberal.
Who commits the most gun violence of the political type in the US, right wing fanatics or left wing fanatics?
According to all credible crime stat databases (FBI, CDC, etc), Democrats BY FAR (5 to 1 ratio).
The left has gone violently insane.
People can score their cheap political points today on Pnet, fine fine.
The real issues are a deeply divided nation and people feeling desperate. Stoking the flames are those who will over generalize and falsely call someone who commits an atrocity, being equivalent and representative of a wider group of people, whom they themselves oppose in some manner (Rs, Ds, Muslims, on and on ...). The belief that violence is a norm held by a majority in mainstream civil groups is extremist thought itself.
There will be more shootings targeting our politicians: from left, right, and other. It is going to grow from here.
Who is going to bring us together? Who is going to be the calm rational person, denouncing violence, asking and seeking political transparency, and uniting all Americans? It sure as hell isn't going to be Trump.
When the right wing attacks come I'm not going to paint all Rs as being inline with that willingness to use violence, because that isn't true at all. I will however gladly and eagerly support the FBI in its continued pursuit and infiltration of domestic extremists groups of all walks in America. The lone wolf isn't something we will ever be able to really safeguard against.
I denounce the shooting. Violence has no place in Politics. From a democrat leaning folk
That's insultingly insufficient. Our society is drowning in a cesspool of advocated division, and you're describing the water?
Who commits the most gun violence of the political type in the US, right wing fanatics or left wing fanatics?
According to all credible crime stat databases (FBI, CDC, etc), Democrats BY FAR (5 to 1 ratio).
Really, please show me the database of POLITICAL gun violence (you may include any mass shooting if you like) that has party membership in the database. I bet you can't. You are making this stuff up.
Really, please show me the database of POLITICAL gun violence (you may include any mass shooting if you like) that has party membership in the database. I bet you can't. You are making this stuff up.
Why does it matter if it's "politically" motivated? Gun violence is somehow different if the motivation is based upon a political ideal? You're trying to move the goal post because you know your point is absolute horse shit.
The simple fact is DEMOCRATS as a whole commit far more gun crimes nationally than any other political alignment. These are facts.
Who is going to be the calm rational person, denouncing violence, asking and seeking political transparency, and uniting all Americans? It sure as hell isn't going to be Trump.
Certainly better than "Basket of Deplorables" Hillary.
I didn't vote for Trump, and have never voted for a GOP presidential candidate (voted for Rapist Clinton twice), and it's transparently clear which party is stoking the fires of rebellion and violence.
I didn't say that...
The left has gone violently insane.
People can score their cheap political points today on Pnet, fine fine
That's insultingly insufficient.
Certainly an attack of self expression on an online internet forum, for whatever insufficiency in their communication you perceive, is far better. Right?
Seriously, your solution here on Pnet is what? Post a cat meme picture?
We knew Hillary and her supporters were pissed off, but really....
Yes all Hillary supporters have suddenly become amateur riflemen in pant suits.
(though this shooter was a Bernie-bro, I believe)
it's transparently clear which party is stoking the fires of rebellion and violence.
Ha. The backlash against Trump is caused by the very hate he rode to victory on. You can claim an "I have met the enemy and he is us" moment, but the alt-right is the most divisive thing I've seen in the nation in my lifetime.
I do agree with the "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster." sentiment though.
The simple fact is DEMOCRATS as a whole commit far more gun crimes nationally than any other political alignment. These are facts.
Gotcha. I knew all along what you were really saying. You wanted to blame gun violence on poor and brown people, who indeed are more likely to vote democrat, although not always. Still no data, of course, but that does not seem important to you. What about poor white people who are right-wing? How is their gun violence rated?
"According to the Washington Post, the shooter’s name is James T. Hodgkinson. He is 66 years old and owns a home inspection business. However, state records show that his license was not renewed."
A home inspector? That means he kisses up to Realtor's.
😕
Gotcha. I knew all along what you were really saying. You wanted to blame gun violence on poor and brown people, who indeed are more likely to vote democrat, although not always. Still no data, of course, but that does not seem important to you. What about poor white people who are right-wing? How is their gun violence rated?
Of course you KNEW what I was talking about. Blacks and Hispanics are commit 80% of the violent crime in the United States (including gun homicides) with whites and other minorities taking the rest. Seeing as how Blacks vote 90% Democrat, and Hispanics vote over 70% Democrat, it's pretty obvious that Democrat voters are responsible for the majority of gun crimes nationally.
Got a problem with that conclusion bro?
Ha. The backlash against Trump is caused by the very hate he rode to victory on. You can claim an "I have met the enemy and he is us" moment, but the alt-right is the most divisive thing I've seen in the nation in my lifetime.
You have to ask yourself why Trump voters had that sentiment in the first place. Perhaps Obama should have paid more attention to poor whites instead of spending 8 years ignoring them or chastising them for their "privilege" fostering his own "wave of hate".
I do agree with the "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster." sentiment though.
Yes. Those who spent a lifetime warning about McCarthyism...
"Ha. The backlash against Trump is caused by the very hate he rode to victory on."
Incorrect, Trump rode in upon the votes of citizens. A vote in itself cannot be hateful. Any descriptive attachment to a vote, is simply propaganda in the current environment.
Four UPS employees, including gunman, are dead in San Francisco mass shooting this morning. Location is UPS facility on Potrero Hill, immediately adjacent to I-101 SOUTHbound lanes. Exact location is 17th St and Utah St/SanBrunoAve./p>
Four UPS employees, including gunman, are dead in San Francisco mass shooting this morning. Location is UPS facility on Potrero Hill, immediately adjacent to I-101 northbound lanes. Exact location is 17th St and Utah St.
Strictest gun control in the nation. Ammo background checks. Prop 63. No gun stores within SF city limits.
Still think gun control works?
We knew Hillary and her supporters were pissed off, but really....
I was also expecting them to be a Hillary supporter instead of a Bernie supporter as well.
Hodgkinson, the baseball Shooter, was a firm believer in #RussiaHoax conspiracy theory
https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/875023362619310081
Meanwhile, Clinton Crony and Comey Corruptor McAuliffe calls for gun control at crime scene
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/virginia-gov-terry-mcauliffe-presses-for-gun-control-at-scene-of-congressional-baseball-practice-shooting/article/2625940
Four UPS employees, including gunman, are dead in San Francisco mass shooting this morning. Location is UPS facility on Potrero Hill, immediately adjacent to I-101 northbound lanes. Exact location is 17th St and Utah St.
Incorrect, Trump rode in upon the votes of citizens. A vote in itself cannot be hateful. Any descriptive attachment to a vote, is simply propaganda in the current environment.
Sure. A characterization can be political, but you cannot deny there are motives behind someone's vote.
Perhaps Obama should have paid more attention to poor whites instead of spending 8 years ignoring them or chastising them for their "privilege" fostering his own "wave of hate".
Potential fair criticism, but per above, it is interesting to see Trump as a punitive vote against Obama. If that is true, what is this solving?
Doesn't look good. Not good at all.
Still think gun control works?
Yep. See the UK and Australia.
Four UPS employees, including gunman, are dead in San Francisco mass shooting this morning. Location is UPS facility on Potrero Hill, immediately adjacent to I-101 northbound lanes. Exact location is 17th St and Utah St.
Too soon. But for some reason I kek'd.
Potential fair criticism, but per above, it is interesting to see Trump as a punitive vote against Obama. If that is true, what is this solving?
Doesn't look good. Not good at all.
Not against Obama, against a DNC platform that ostracized poor whites (the voting demographic that pushed Trump into office). I'll let leftist favorite Michael Moore explain what happened since he hit the nail on the head.
Our local news reported the guy asked onlookers whether it was democrats or republicans in the field before he opened fire. I stress I heard that one time by our local channel, but have not heard that claim again yet/since.
It's all over twitter, FOX, everywhere.
There was initial uncertainty as the asker was described as wearing sweatpants, and the shooter was described as being in jeans. It took some time to clear, but looks credible. This guy was looking to shoot politicians of a certain stripe. Awful.
against a DNC platform that ostracized poor whites
There are so many many different motivations at play here. Trump didn't win because of X, Hillary didn't lose because of Z ... things happened because of the whole alphabet.
Those who spent a lifetime warning about McCarthyism ...
"Character assassination is their stock in trade. Guilt by association is their motto. They have created such a wave of fear and uncertainty that their attacks upon our liberties go almost unchallenged. Many people are growing frightened – and frightened people panic."
I've only seen fear and division as a primary tactic from one party as of late.
There are so many many different motivations at play here. Trump didn't win because of X, Hillary didn't lose because of Z ... things happened because of the whole alphabet.
Sure, but if you look at the biggest change from 2012 to 2016, it was the shift of white working class who came out in big numbers for Trump. Michigan, and Wisconsin had not voted GOP since Reagan. 200+ counties flipped and went to Trump when they had voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012.
I'm a centrist libertarian, so I dish criticism at both sides, but the biggest factor in the 2016 election was the working class white vote who the Democrat party chose to ignore to satisfy the SJWs that have taken over that party.
There's a reason why, despite the entirety of the leftist leaning MSM media trying to paint Trump as a cuck subservient to Russia, that the DNC's favorability ratings have fallen to decades long lows (May 2017 Gallup). Working class people don't give a shit about Tom Clancy spy stories. They just want a job and they want to be able to pay their bills. Trump is the ONLY one talking about that (and to a certain extent Bernie sanders). But the leadership of the DNC (Pelosi, Schumer, Warren) have spent all their energy making up fairy tales about Russia.
sagacious1 says
"Incorrect, Trump rode in upon the votes of citizens. A vote in itself cannot be hateful. Any descriptive attachment to a vote, is simply propaganda in the current environment.
Sure. A characterization can be political, but you cannot deny there are motives behind someone's vote."
Of course there can be motivation behind someone's vote, yet who has authority over them if not the individual?....some people voted for Trump for concern of the National debt. How is that hateful? In fact, there may be many motivations that are not hateful, yet are described as so....that is propaganda.
Libbys gone wild...with guns.
So we need to ban guns?
Or should we wait for the next shooting? After all, ten million shootings aren't enough of a sample size.
From the department of unintended consequences: In the same way as the Republican party suddenly became a friend of Russia once Democrats started hating Russia, perhaps the Republican party will now act in favor of gun control?
What will likely happen is that the continuing stream of hate from Democrats will lead to big victories in 2018 and 2020. According to a May Gallop poll, Democrats have a 40% favorability rating, whatever made up fantasy they tried to dream up about Russia-Trump has never stuck, and they invested 7+ months of their energy into it. Total fail.
As for gun control, and what I'm about to say is backed by FBI statistics, if you took the right to own and bear arms from Democrats, gun crime would go down by 80%.
B.b.b.but muh 💪🽠(that's guns for those who don't know)
Libbys gone wild...with guns.
So we need to ban guns?
Guns don't target Republicans, Libby's do. Sounds like you're suggesting we ban Libby's.
Michigan, and Wisconsin had not voted GOP since Reagan. 200+ counties flipped and went to Trump when they had voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012.
Everyone knows that's due to gerrymandering and not at all because Clinton was too arrogant to even campaign in those states
Everyone knows that's due to gerrymandering and not at all because Clinton was too arrogant to even campaign in those states
Must be. Killary was the perfect candidate. Nothing wrong with her at all.
Must be. Killary was the perfect candidate. Nothing wrong with her at all.
Some of this forum have said the dems are right, the electorate is stupid.
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Rep. Steve Scalise was shot Wednesday morning in Alexandria, Virginia, a House colleague told CNN, in what sources are calling an apparent "deliberate attack."
The shooting took place at a practice for the GOP congressional baseball team.
Scalise, a member of the House Republican leadership as the majority whip, appeared to have been shot in the hip and it appeared two Capitol Hill police agents were shot, according to Rep. Mo Brooks, who told CNN he was on deck when the shooting occurred.
According to both congressional and law enforcement sources, the shooting appears to be a "deliberate attack."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/alexandria-virginia-shooting/index.html