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justme says

The normal way of having a discussion is that the person that makes a claim has to back it up. It is not my job to prove that Bernie dd not make that statement. It is the job of Stragist to provide a solid reference to Bernie making such a statement.

Sure, but in the interest of generating debate, why don't you challenge his points and point out where there is dishonesty? Wouldn't that be more fun?

errc says

Whoa Goran will have to ban you for doing that he said it’s bigly against the rules

What is against the rules?

Goran_K says

errc says

Whoa Goran will have to ban you for doing that he said it’s bigly against the rules

What is against the rules?

Thought you said dragging comments from uncivil jail and reposting them to threads was against your rules?

errc says

Thought you said dragging comments from uncivil jail and reposting them to threads was against your rules?

I allowed you to drag out and post a comment where someone named Ironman called Obama a racial slur and allowed that to be posted and discussed through numerous posts.

Here, Sniper is asking you a question, and making a point about your previous vicious racial slurs towards me and my wife.

I'm just trying to be even handed here.

Of course I could delete all of your posts about Ironman's racial slur, and also Sniper's comments about your racist tirade as well.

Which way do you think would be preferable?

Goran_K says

errc says

Thought you said dragging comments from uncivil jail and reposting them to threads was against your rules?

I allowed you to drag out and post a comment where someone named Ironman called Obama a racial slur and allowed that to be posted and discussed through numerous posts.

Here, Sniper is asking you a question, and making a point about your previous vicious racial slurs towards me and my wife.

I'm just trying to be even handed here.

Of course I could delete all of your posts about Ironman's racial slur, and also Sniper's comments about your racist tirade as well.

Which way do you think would be preferable?

Yea except you’re lying I didn’t take a post from uncivil jail and repost it to the mains. You were calling me a liar and asked for the proof!

We’re you just baiting me to break your rules?

Why do you feel the need to keep being so dishonest?

errc says

Yea except you’re lying I didn’t take a post from uncivil jail and repost it to the mains. You were calling me a liar and asked for the proof!

We’re you just baiting me to break your rules?

Why do you feel the need to keep being so dishonest?

No I gave you a one time exception because I didn't believe you that Patrick would leave that type of comment up, and I was right, the comment was zapped.

Since I gave you a one-time exception, I think it fair to give one to Sniper.

(Please no more posting errrc's openly vicious racist tirade anymore though Sniper, if you could, thanks)

Goran_K says

errc says

Yea except you’re lying I didn’t take a post from uncivil jail and repost it to the mains. You were calling me a liar and asked for the proof!

We’re you just baiting me to break your rules?

Why do you feel the need to keep being so dishonest?

No I gave you a one time exception because I didn't believe you that Patrick would leave that type of comment up, and I was right, the comment was zapped.

Since I gave you a one-time exception, I think it fair to give one to Sniper.

(Please no more posting errrc's openly vicious racist tirade anymore though Sniper, if you could, thanks)

Again with the lying.

Patrick never censored the post where Sniper/Ironman called Obama a nigger. All of his posts were scrubbed wheN Patrick banned him for trolling his site with personal attacks 24/7.

This is provable. Simply ask @Patrick to confirm that he removed the post in question for being uncivil, and I’ll retract the accusations that you are lying.

Simple enough

Goran_K says

Sure, but in the interest of generating debate, why don't you challenge his points and point out where there is dishonesty? Wouldn't that be more fun?

I'm not here to "generate debate". I'm here to find the correct information and dismiss and/or debunk the false information.

And by the way, your statement about wanting to "generate debate" is diametrically opposed to what you said in MY thread, where you stated that

Goran_K says

I've never cared much about volume.

errc says

Again with the lying.

Patrick never censored the post where Sniper/Ironman called Obama a nigger. All of his posts were scrubbed wheN Patrick banned him for trolling his site with personal attacks 24/7.

This is provable. Simply ask @Patrick to confirm that he removed the post in question for being uncivil, and I’ll retract the accusations that you are lying.

Simple enough

If Patrick confirms what you're saying is correct about the Obama N-word comment, then of course I'll admit I was wrong. But in the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal to me, but thanks for your efforts.

I hope we can both agree that openly vicious racism is extremely hateful and the person who would use racism to hurt other people is probably a person who lacks moral character.

justme says

And by the way, your statement about wanting to "generate debate" is diametrically opposed to what you said in MY thread, where you stated that

Yes, I want quality over volume. Right now what is happening here, between us, is just volume. I don't really think it helps the website.

Goran_K says

errc says

Again with the lying.

Patrick never censored the post where Sniper/Ironman called Obama a nigger. All of his posts were scrubbed wheN Patrick banned him for trolling his site with personal attacks 24/7.

This is provable. Simply ask @Patrick to confirm that he removed the post in question for being uncivil, and I’ll retract the accusations that you are lying.

Simple enough

If Patrick confirms what you're saying is correct about the Obama N-word comment, then of course I'll admit I was wrong. But in the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal to me, but thanks for your efforts.

I hope we can both agree that openly vicious racism is extremely hateful and the person who would use racism to hurt other people is probably a person who lacks moral character.

If you’re open to the possibility that you are wrong, why did you default by calling me a liar?

I’m confident you won’t find an honest person to agree with you that you can both act that way and except nor request, civility.

If you want civility, you’re going to have to lead by example

errc says

If you’re open to the possibility that you are wrong, why did you default by calling me a liar?

I’m confident you won’t find an honest person to agree with you that you can both act that way and except nor request, civility.

If you want civility, you’re going to have to lead by example

I never called your a liar. I simply said I don't believe the post was left up, and I was right.

Goran_K says

errc says

If you’re open to the possibility that you are wrong, why did you default by calling me a liar?

I’m confident you won’t find an honest person to agree with you that you can both act that way and except nor request, civility.

If you want civility, you’re going to have to lead by example

I never called your a liar. I simply said I don't believe the post was left up, and I was right.

You suggested that Patrick removed it

You were wrong

Patrick banned Ironman/Sniper for taking his crusade of disrupting the forum and harassing the free thinking posters, off the web and into the real world. All of his posts were scrubbed in the banning. Including the post where Sniper/Ironman called the President a nigger.

Ironman/Sniper was such an egregious offender, that the post didn’t even register as abnormal.

For all I know, maybe Patrick is ok with people calling Obama a nigger on his site. That, I cannot speak to.

Goran_K says

justme says

And by the way, your statement about wanting to "generate debate" is diametrically opposed to what you said in MY thread, where you stated that

Goran_K says

I've never cared much about volume.

Yes, I want quality over volume. Right now what is happening here, between us, is just volume. I don't really think it helps the website.

I disagree. It sure as heck is not just volume. Pointing out the shortcomings and self-contradictions of an omnipotent moderator is QUALITY, and to borrow a humorous phrase, quality of the BELTFED variety. Nothing is more important than taking the moderators to task when they do wrong, as you have (IMO) done. Moderation by an omnipotent moderator has been an unmitigated disaster. That is my opinion.

Goran_K says

errc says

So you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?

I never saw him post that. I'm sure Patrick deleted it if that did happen.

See you said you were sure

“if” that did happen, which is another way of calling me a liar.

justme says

I disagree. It sure as heck is not just volume. Pointing out the shortcomings and self-contradictions of an omnipotent moderator is QUALITY, and to borrow a phrase, quality of the BELTFED variety. Nothing is more important than taking the moderators to task when they do wrong, as you have (IMO) done. Moderation by an omnipotent moderator has been an unmitigated disaster. That is my opinion.

I'm not sure moderation has had zero effect. Just look at how civil your post was. I'm impressed to be honest, and you got your point across. Good job.

Goran_K says

I'm not sure moderation has had zero effect. Just look at how civil your post was. I'm impressed to be honest, and you got your point across. Good job.

My recent comment was no more and maybe even slightly less "civil" than the comment I posted that you banned me for, and that the crowd-censors jailed me for. So, yeah, some progress has been made, not because of omnipotent moderation, but rather in spite of omnipotent moderation.

But the fact remains that omnipotent moderation and mob-based prosecution must be stopped.

justme says

Goran_K says

I'm not sure moderation has had zero effect. Just look at how civil your post was. I'm impressed to be honest, and you got your point across. Good job.

My recent comment was no more and maybe even slightly less "civil" than the comment I posted that you banned me for, and that the crowd-censors jailed me for. So, yeah, some progress has been made, not because of omnipotent moderation, but rather in spite of omnipotent moderation.

But the fact remains that omnipotent moderation and mob-based prosecution must be stopped.

Unless your goal is to suppress free speech, and silence any dissenting opinions and critiques. Maybe that is what Patrick is going for these days

justme says

But the fact remains that omnipotent moderation and mob-based prosecution must be stopped.

You have nothing to worry about as long as you keep your posts focused on points/discussions instead of individuals.

errc says

Unless your goal is to suppress free speech, and silence any dissenting opinions and critiques. Maybe that is what Patrick is going for these days

Not at all. How many times can I say it? The rule is just don't deliberately insult the other users. Argue something other than the worthiness of the individual. That's about it.

I honestly wish I could have Hitler and Mohammed on here. They would probably have a lot of interesting points. I think they'd get along, too.

rando says

I honestly wish I could have Hitler and Mohammed on here. They would probably have a lot of interesting points. I think they'd get along, too.

As a quasi attorney (I'm not really an attorney ;), I'd advise you to delete this post. While I don't disagree with your sentiment here, this might not be something you want stamped in the internet history logs. At least the Hitler part. Mohammed is beloved here in America apparently. So you're good there.

rando says

I honestly wish I could have Hitler and Mohammed on here. They would probably have a lot of interesting points. I think they'd get along, too.

I would love to have Mohammad here, because I would love to slaughter him.
Hitler too, but clearly Mohammad has done more harm to mankind than Hitler.