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There will be no "Blue Wave", change my mind!


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2018 May 14, 8:51am   80,269 views  699 comments

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Yesterday former Bill Clinton advisor Dick Morris told radio host on New York's AM 970 that he believes the "blue wave" that Democrats are expecting to give them back the Senate and House will not materialize, and polling has backed him up.

Last week, CNN's mid term poll showed that Democrats only had a 3 point advantage, well within the margin of error, and considering that CNN is known for "oversampling" Democrats in its own polls, this is troubling for the DNC.

Additionally, a recent poll from Reuters (left leaning) has shown that Millennials are leaving the Democrat party in droves. Democrat membership in the 18-34 demographic (the bread and butter of the DNC) dropped 9% over the past 2 years, most of them becoming "independents".

"I think that [Democrats] see fool’s gold in these scandals," Morris said. "They’re putting everything behind the Stormy Daniels scandal and Michael Cohen … and the country doesn’t give a damn."

That's when Morris dropped his prediction.

"There is no blue wave coming," Morris exclaimed. "There is a red wave. And what makes it red is the blood of the Democratic Party."

Here's my official take. I believe the GOP will LOSE seats in the house but will not give it up to the DNC. I believe the GOP will GAIN seats in the senate, keeping their majority. This will mean that Trump will have both houses of congress for his entire term.

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334   Bd6r   2018 Oct 20, 9:41am  

Aphroman says
Lol there’s six hardcore right wing moderators here

Wokieman is not hard right wing by any stretch of imagination
335   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 9:45am  

The Aphroman says
dr6B says
Perhaps it would be reasonable to have two moderators agree if a comment has to be whacked, one moderator on left and one on right. I have noticed that a few comments that are quite personal do not disappear after being flagged.


Lol there’s six hardcore right wing moderators here and only another 8-10 people that ever come here to post. A moderator on the Left lol yea that ain’t going to fly on a website that abandoned it’s Free Speech mission early in 2017.


99.999% of your posts are left wing cheers and right wing disses and one only needs to click on your post history to see all of it has not been edited or nuked.

So your complaints are pretty unfounded.

I seriously invite anyone to look at Aphromans post history and see if it’s devoid of right wing disses that the “mods” have mysteriously removed.
336   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 9:46am  

personal
337   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 9:54am  

Thanks for your input tatupu/Joey/Leon.

Keep all posts civil please. Stick to the thread topic and keep it non-personal.
338   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 10:11am  

Goran_K says
Thanks for your input tatupu/Joey/Leon.

Keep all posts civil please. Stick to the thread topic and keep it non-personal.


lol-- I rest my case.
339   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 10:11am  

tatupu70 says
Goran_K says
Thanks for your input tatupu/Joey/Leon.

Keep all posts civil please. Stick to the thread topic and keep it non-personal.


lol-- I rest my case.
340   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 10:16am  

Good, I'm glad you rested. Thanks for following the rules.
341   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 10:16am  

Goran_K says
Good, I'm glad you rested. Thanks for following the rules.


No problem buddy. It's a pleasure.
342   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 10:22am  

It's an ugly business doing one's duty.

But just occasionally, it's a delightful pleasure.
343   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 10:24am  

Goran_K says
It's an ugly business doing one's duty.

But just occasionally, it's a delightful pleasure.


I hope @Patrick is watching this. At least you're laying bare your motives here.
344   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 10:25am  

tatupu70 says
I hope @Patrick is watching this. At least you're laying bare your motives here.


Yes, keeping the forum civil and full of non-ad hom discourse is pleasurable to me. @Patrick also appreciates this I'm sure.
345   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 10:25am  

Showing your true motive of trolling is fun for me.
346   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 10:26am  

Goading you into it is too easy.
347   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 10:26am  

As long as you keep it non ad-hom, knock yourself out.

But now, let's keep it on topic. Thanks tatupu.
348   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 10:27am  

spam
349   zzyzzx   2018 Oct 20, 10:31am  

Meanwhile, in Times Square:
350   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 10:33am  

personal
351   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 10:34am  

zzyzzx says
Meanwhile, in Times Square:


Man that picture is going to be iconic someday.
352   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 10:36am  

tatupu70 says
Goading you into it is too easy.


tatupu70 says
spam


tatupu70 says
spam


Looks like the truth hurts.
353   Patrick   2018 Oct 20, 10:51am  

Goran_K says
Yes, keeping the forum civil and full of non-ad hom discourse is pleasurable to me. Patrick also appreciates this I'm sure.


Yes, if you enjoy dealing with ad-hom comments, more power to you!
354   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 10:55am  

Patrick says
Goran_K says
Yes, keeping the forum civil and full of non-ad hom discourse is pleasurable to me. Patrick also appreciates this I'm sure.


Yes, if you enjoy dealing with ad-hom comments, more power to you!


I am expecting a 25% raise at some point though.
355   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 11:19am  

spam
356   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 11:20am  

spam
357   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 11:37am  

personal
358   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 11:44am  

Guys let’s keep it on topic. Patrick has a thread for “discuss anything”. If you have complaints about the forum, go to that thread.

Thanks!

- the Management
359   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 11:45am  

spam
360   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 11:45am  

personal
361   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 11:46am  

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362   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 11:48am  

“Discuss anything thread”

For reference:
https://patrick.net/post/1277846
363   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 11:49am  

antiforum
364   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 11:50am  

spam
365   Patrick   2018 Oct 20, 11:58am  

There have still been absolutely zero comments flagged for being political.

The problem is that people lose their composure and get personal. Please don't do that.

Apocalypsefuck, ironically, is a great example of a poster who never gets personal with the other users.
366   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 12:01pm  

personal
367   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 12:08pm  

Aphroman, tatupu stop with the trolling. It’s getting out of hand.
368   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 12:10pm  

personal
369   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 12:11pm  

Aphroman says
Goran_K says
Aphroman, tatupu stop with the trolling. It’s getting out of hand.


I’m talking @Patrick here, it’s his site, he can speak for himself.

Or do you think he’s a little beta sissy who cannot protect himself?

That’s a big problem with right wingers these days, they think that because they are Failed Loser Beta Pussies that so everyone else is as well


Go to the discuss anything thread.
370   Patrick   2018 Oct 20, 12:14pm  

And note that any political point of view is still welcome.

There has never yet been a politely expressed point of view that was censored here.
371   Goran_K   2018 Oct 20, 12:16pm  

Aphroman says
Bye bye, gooks and chinks! America will persevere! We will not be defeated by the mongoloid enemy. Ban the chinks and gooks to their shithole countries! MAGA!


I invite these people to vote GOP in November to help the red wave.
372   tatupu70   2018 Oct 20, 12:16pm  

Patrick says
And note that any political point of view is still welcome.

There has never yet been a politely expressed point of view that was censored here.


I disagree. And I could prove it if you'd show the censored posts.
373   Patrick   2018 Oct 20, 12:21pm  

tatupu70 says
I disagree. And I could prove it if you'd show the censored posts.


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WookieMan says
This is what I'm talking about with invited/private threads.


So you're advocating for private threads, where members of the same "team", can go for their same minded, private circle-jerks, away from an opposing opinions by other members? Gee, that sounds so Snowflakie, SJW, and Safe Spacie like....

There are plenty of forums where you can find that. Go try Democratic Underground, or even Facebook. Plenty of groups that only allow like minded people. You'll be in heaven.

Don't like opinions that differ from yours here. Who's holding a gun to your head and making you log in to Patnet? Crazy...

Amazing, the crying and whining that comes from a few here on a voluntary Internet forum.

Strange..
WookieMan says
There aren't enough moderators in the world though to help weed out trivial digs at other people.


It's almost as if we need moderators who will oversee other moderators who make trivial digs at other members.

WookieMan says
At some point, two adults need to be... well.... two adults.


Ha Ha Ha. that's really funny.. it's almost like it's projection.
LeonDurham says
MrMagic says
I'll just leave this here....


with no source of course.


Do you need everything spoon fed to you?
bob2356 says
Oh wow, care to name all the times houses had negative equity across the nation. OH yea the great depression and the great recession. A once in 80 year event isn't a big concern for most normal people. For trolls yes, normal people no.

MrMagic says
Never heard of "negative equity", have you? Or FHA loans? Or Home Equity loans?


Bob, why are you always so wrong??

...."In Georgia, 42.1 percent of homeowners with mortgages owe more money on their houses than the homes are currently worth. That's much higher than the national average of 27.5 percent. "
https://www.myajc.com/news/underwater-zips/

Also, what about 3.5% FHA loans? They're underwater if they had to sell in their first few years.

May 30, 2018
...."- Almost 4.5 million American homeowners still owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth.
- About one in seven homeowners with a mortgage (15.4 percent) have some equity in their home, but likely not enough to sell and comfortably use the proceeds for a down payment on another home.
- Detroit has the largest share of deeply underwater homeowners, who owe twice as much as their homes are worth."

http://zillow.mediaroom.com/2018-05-30-Less-Than-10-Percent-of-Homeowners-Are-Underwater-on-Their-Mortgages

Wow, I'm really glad all those underwater houses are all gone since the Great Recession, which happened a DECADE ago::

...."On the state-by-state level, Colorado (4.0 percent), California (4.2 percent), Oregon (4.2 percent), Washington (4.2 percent) and Hawaii (4.6 percent) had the lowest percentage of seriously underwater homes while Louisiana (19.3 percent), Kansas (16.2 percent), Mississippi (16.2 percent), Iowa (16.0 percent) and Illinois (15.1 percent) had the highest."
https://www.inman.com/2018/02/07/seriously-underwater-homes-dropped-by-0-8-percent-in-2017/

Oops.... they're not...

Bob, want to try again?
LeonDurham says
It's the Trump cultists who constantly post personal insults. Not Aphro. Not Rafi. Not me....


Really?

So why are you always crying to Patrick and the mods why your posts are being marked and flagged?
LeonDurham says
I'm sorry you don't understand what the 538 graphic is telling you. But, I'd suggest reading the background and explanation--it may help you. Hint-it wasn't a prediction.


Sorry Joey, wrong again.

That chart came from Nate's web site the morning of the election. That was his PREDICTION on who was going to win which state, and the E.C. votes that came with it. Sorry that you don't understand the basic operation of how the Electoral College works.

Trump ended up with 306, almost the total inverse of what Nate predicted. As much as you'd like us to believe his little percentage chart means something (except maybe to cover his ass for wrong predictions), there are no "Gray" areas or percentages, either you win a state or you don't. This isn't horseshoes. It's black and white.
bob2356 says
There are 1.3 million houses underwater out of 74 million.


Seriously Bobby, do you have reading issues?

MrMagic says
Almost 4.5 million American homeowners still owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth.


Must be this new math where 1.3 million = 4.5 million

Is that how they teach math in Vermont?? Did Bernie teach you, by any chance?
WookieMan says
I can't talk about users, but there is/are a couple users here that tend to bash a pick that other users here make. They'll wait until the stock has hit a bump in the road or crash and say that the pick was shit. Yet ignore certain time frames of massive gains, where the user that made the pick may have sold. It's garbage behavior. Not you, but some here need to make a pick or STFU commenting on threads where someone has made a pick.


You should really consider stopping the constant whining and crying, day after day, and try and act like a grown adult. It's garbage behavior.
bob2356 says
Oh snap, those pesky facts again ruining a perfectly good rant.


PRoTip Bob, don't correct Curious2 when he's wrong, unless you want him having a hardon for you for the rest of your life.

The guy is probably the smallest (in all ways) pettiest guy on Patrick.net. "Oooh ooh, I think I've got something on marcus from several years ago when he didn't take the flu vaccine." This all becasue of a few times I've corrected him on his faulty reasoning.

Is he pathetic ? Or is it just me. What kind of person takes on that level of hate to a stranger on a forum, just becasue they kindly explained to them an error in their thinking ? ( a few times)

curious2 says
Marcus claims to teach public schoolchildren, and refused the flu vaccine in a year when H1N1 was killing schoolchildren. The flu varies from year to year, and flu vaccines vary in efficacy, but parents are required to send their children to school, and should have a right to expect the school employees will not intentionally risk infecting schoolchildren, especially in a year when the flu is killing schoolchildren.


Apparently Marcus is a bad bad VERY BAD person. Does everyone get that ?

By the way, I teach teens, not young children, and I didn't refuse the vaccine, I just didn't take it. Of course in real time it wasn't known that it was so bad that something like one in 5000 people that caught that flu, died (mostly very old or VERY young) who knows, perhaps 1 in 100k or even less teens or adults that caught it died.. But it was known that many previous years vaccines were ineffective, and it was also known that middle aged people tend to have a substantial immunity from previous contact with cousins of the virus (without taking the vaccine) of seasonal flu viruses.

I don't know whether I'm responding to his troll, or just trying to help him with his reasoning one more time. We all know it's not going to help. This isn't about reasoning, it's always about emotion and ego with this putz.
FortWayne says
Anything on NYT racist site is not reality.


Speaking of which, isn?t Reality Marcus? second account?
CovfefeButDeadly says
FortWayne says
Anything on NYT racist site is not reality.


Speaking of which, isn?t Reality Marcus? second account?


Oh wait, that was Humanity...I think. So confused.
curious2 says
Your comments on PatNet misstate the rules governing significant figures, show basic errors of arithmetic, and show you can't follow ordinal numbers.


This was the most recent time I corrected you on your reasoning and I spelled it out very clearly.. IT wasn't even about significant figures(at all), which is what you googled to get a quote to prove me wrong on something very very very simple.

Here, again (for others - if actually curious beyond what they can find on the internet) which is that if temperature values are either read by a human, to be rounded to a nearest degree (for simplicity of argument) , or rounded to the nearest degree by a digital device for that matter, that then thousands of readings averaged, would give an average that is meaningful to a higher resolution than the nearest integer.

To comprehend this, one only needs to imagine a situation where the temperature is always rounded to one or two values say 58 or 59. Say the temp is always between 58 and 59 and the human or device does its best to always gives an answer to the nearest integer. With out quoting something irrelevant you found on the internet about significant figures (not relevant to this), are you really going to tell me that the average of thousands of such values (either 58 or 59) won't be meaningful to a higher resolution than the closest integer ? Really ?

By the way, significant figures is something we never talk about it Math. It's a term used in Chemistry a lot, and to a lesser degree physics. In Math we say round to the nearest thousandth, or hundredth etc. Not the same issue exactly. But in any case, good rules for conducting experiments are not relevant to the question.

This is what happens when intelligence is defined purely as memorizing information without engaging even the most basic reasoning in the question.. Had you had me as a Mathematics teacher, I would have endeavored to exercise your ability to reason and appreciate interesting puzzles and develop problem solving skills. Quoting some jibberish about an unrelated concept off the internet is not what critical thinking is.

Perhaps you are very very young, and rely a bit too much on the internet ? That would help to explain some other of you attributes.

curious2 says
Name calling?


Calling you a jerk simply becasue you are a jerk. Where as you, dredge up something from many years ago about flu vaccines in the hopes of making me look bad. This is an example of you being a jerk.
marcus says
bob2356 says
Oh snap, those pesky facts again ruining a perfectly good rant.


PRoTip Bob, don't correct Curious2 when he's wrong, unless you want him having a hardon for you for the rest of your life.

The guy is probably the smallest (in all ways) pettiest guy on Patrick.net. "Oooh ooh, I think I've got something on marcus from several years ago when he didn't take the flu vaccine." This all becasue of a few times I've corrected him on his faulty reasoning.


Tell me about it. Curious was the one that checked on all my posts and counted typos then calculated how many were from the left hand vs right hand after I said I broke my left hand and didn't type as well with it. I have no idea why. But hey I'm a lifetime drug addict with permanent brain damage because I stupidly admitted to curious that I took pain killers for 2 whole days after smashing my hand and having surgery on it. Pus I have toxoplasmosis brain damage even though I've never owned a cat. No idea where that bizarre thought came from. Scary weird obsessive stalker.

So in the world of the curious an article that is considerably out of date with zero documentation or facts other than its true because I say it's true is the gold standard and 3 current well documented articles don't count. That's exactly what I expected.
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
marcus says
Bottom line, people with pre-existing conditions are going to be screwed if republicans have their way.
Why should I have to pay for someone else's cancer? Everyone has their own problems to deal with, let alone that of some random stranger.


Funny how people who say things like this are always the first in line for help when shit happens to them.
bob2356 says
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
marcus says
Bottom line, people with pre-existing conditions are going to be screwed if republicans have their way.
Why should I have to pay for someone else's cancer? Everyone has their own problems to deal with, let alone that of some random stranger.


Funny how people who say things like this are always the first in line for help when shit happens to them.
Do you have data to back that up, or is that just a cool thing to say because it fits your socialist ideology?
curious2 says

Gosh that sounds like a lot to cope with. I hope you feel better soon. That broken hand seems still to cause you to spell "areas" with an apostrophe, for example. The opiates and opioids do seem a more likely explanation, and you did mention both categories (which would be a lot to fit into only 2 days), but whatever, blame it on the hand if you prefer.


Weird, obsessive, scary stalker. I rest my case.
bob2356 says

Weird, obsessive, scary stalker. I rest my case.


Amen.
Patrick says
Perhaps the greatest troll of our age!


and you are spending your time reading her tweets? What does that say about you?
bob2356 says
Did you call up, explained your level of expertise, and demand a retraction yet? So make this easy, just put up the real numbers and references if you know this is wrong.


Ahh, I see. So you post a line of B.S., with no data to back it up, and when you're called out to prove the basis of comment, you want someone else to do the work for you to prove a false narrative?

Why do the Liberals always expect someone else to do their work?
LeonDurham says
Goran_K says
Democrats: ?Well uh not all speech is free speech! Nazi speech should be censored!?


Trump cultists "Government needs to stay out of the way of businesses... well, unless they do things we don't like. Then we need to regulate the hell out of them!!!"


I know you don't understand written words well. But again, no one here asked for regulation on things we don't like. Pointing out liberal hypocricy is not an ask for regulation. Learn "reading comprehension" Leon.
And no warning for Ft. Wayne?? Goran--you're losing your touch!
Let me help you Google,
You are one of many "Corporation are People",Free Market,Job Creating,Profit Making,Entrepreneurial Enterprise that made America Great.
Tell Trump & his supporters to get fucked.

Any regulation is like taxes,socialism,majority control of businesses & individuals.
Republicans will not remove all regulations or taxes & increase taxes on some,who are their own bosses & owners that have never gotten anything from the govt. SLIME SOCIALISTS! What are the total number of Republicans that are receiving any Republican govt. tax dollars including Socialist paychecks.

Goran_K says
Tatupu, keep your mod comments to yourself, and keep on topic. Thanks!


Why do you hate free speech?
Patrick says
What I really fear is the Leftist Utopia, where all speech is declared hate speech so that it may be censored at will, all white people are declared racist by birth so that they may be disenfranchised, and everything good for global corporations (outsourcing jobs, insourcing illegals) is put above the welfare of the working class.


Patrick says
The leftists discovered that the peasants with their Internet would mock them while leftists were making graceful speeches about the needs of illegals. So the left realized that the Internet was a danger because it was such an equalizer. The left first banned Infowars, and then restricted access to Alex Jones...


Is Patrick having a nervous breakdown ?
CBOEtrader says
Herdingcats says
The topic is Trump lies.


Do you have a lie you want to discuss?


Yes but apparently you do not want to discuss it. There really is nothing I can do about that.

It appears Trump supporters lie as much if not more than Trump. Honesty is of God and dishonesty of the devil; the devil was a liar from the beginning.
Goran_K says
That's real state sponsored Democrat racism though. Not fake imagined victimization.


Nope--victimization The fact that you can't see that says a lot
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
You mean if they don't buy it a few weeks after it comes out, it's censorship?

?? ?????? ????????? ?????
Occidental Dissent. The voice of the angry white male supremacist. Did breitbart get too squishy and liberal for you?
FortWayne says
For short memory liberals.


Are you a bot?
Wow. We have an honesty problem

Why is it so hard for some people to be honest
Goran_K says
Tim Aurora says
You can make out whatever you want but Real men do not force themselves on girls.


That only happens in Hollywood and Democrat make believe stories.


Wow, I can see why you guys support Trump.
jazz_music says
This is what patrick.net means by alt right moderators abuse.

You are not only unashamed to use that photo, you are going to fight to protect the lies behind it that Obama is a muslim.


It?s pathetic.

I remember the Obama years. Patrick.net was a proponent of Free Speech. It?s odd to see @Patrick deride Democrats now, when he voted for Obama twice, and he consistently defended him saying he was doing a good job, and that the economy is good. I wonder what happened
Looks like Goran stuck again. I'm back on the censorship train.
I?m getting a little sick of your molesters and rapists getting a free pass.

They see Trump getting away with murder and so now they all expect to skate on everything they?ve done.

This is the rule of law becoming something only the powerless need fear.
Dumbass. Assumes all reality based fact checking is commie pinko liberals in disguise.
Are any of you allowed sharp objects in your wards? Do you drool while you watch the Kardashians? Is Donald Trump about ten times smarter than you? Does watching Jesus floss give you wood?
You morons are pathetic. You have no idea what math is or what science is. If I lit your little sister on fire and then doused her with ice water, she might set the record for fastest cooling of a human being recorded for Youtube, but you can be pretty sure that she is still burned over 90% of her body. And the drop would probably still bring her body temperature to above normal levels. So it goes with the earth.
2016 was a fucking hot year. We cooled through to Feb 2018. But IT'S STILL FUCKING HOTTER THAN EVER.
So cherry pick your stupid fucking data. Why you do it is a mystery to all sentient beings. Did Al Gore kick your puppy? Are you ignorant Christians who believe Fictional Jesus will save you? Are you psychotics who hate your children and humanity in general. Or are you just so fucking ignorant and stupid that you believe your drunk uncle instead of 99% of world's climate scientists.
Fuck off with your ignorance. We have one planet and should not let it be fucked up by stupid climate deniers. Go find your own planet and fuck that over.
And don't forget that the sex doll is a portrayal of an adult woman and not a child.

As you can see, ppl who see hoes or sex robots get associated with pedophilia.

This would make feminists & Puritanical guys, like Fort Wayne (as he's shoving his religion down everyone's throat), happy.

So here you have it Fort Wayne, you're now one with the Femi-Nazis.
Tenpoundbass says
Gary you don't know Dick so shut up Liberals have been dismally wrong about every fucking thing since early November 2016.
You fail as a prognosticator and you're no Moral authority Son


Gee, what happened to moderator Goran? I guess it only counts when you insult a right wing patnetter. .
LeonDurham says
CovfefeButDeadly says

Took me about 5 seconds Tat/joey/Leon et al....

Breitbart, which has received millions in funding from extremist billionaires close to the Trump
administration, provides a nexus point for the so-called alt-right (the newest branding for American
white nationalism, anti-Semitism, and misogyny) to exploit vulnerabilities throughout
the media landscape. With a powerful ally in the White House (former chief executive Steve Bannon
will be Trump's chief strategist), Breitbart plans to export its brand of anti-establishment racism on a
global scale.


I fail to see anything nefarious here. Perhaps the truth hurts?


This is why people make fun of you.
Have you considered a prescription medication ? (please stay away from the opiods though. I've heard they're all the rage with your ilk).
Mr, Whataboutism strikes again!!
Aphroman says
The market could resolve this very quickly. Sadly, the Republicans took away Americans Freedom to wager on political events with their Failed Loser UIGEA rider they attached to the SAFE Port Act


Woah! Now THAT is some quality shit you are on!

But you just violated one of the core rules of Patrick.net: If you are going to comment here while stoned, you have to have enough to share with the rest of us!

Right, @Patrick? :)
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

How about we start with Khashoggi with OBL?


I know whataboutism is your forte, but let's stick with the supposed reformed Saudis murdering pro-reform journalists. Does that sound like the reform we want?
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Nope. Pointing out the pot is calling the kettle black on the same exact subject, when there is a binary choice isn't whataboutery


What are you talking about? Nobody brought up Obama under your usual bit of whataboutism.


TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
So that being said, how would Hillary's stance have been different?


Good, let's double down on whataboutism!!
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