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Ceffer says

No shit!?

Ceffer says

they have real friends within the first 6 months.

Yes, this even occurs in cold cities like Boston where for the most part, those who stay loners, are in effect, loners at heart.

Remember the bullshit about the Boston bombers and how being in a "dizzying place like Cambridge MA could be alienating" for them. It was all a SJW/Liberal lie. The younger one was on the Cambridge Rindge-Latin HS wrestling team and was somewhat popular despite having only arrived in the region at the age of 9-10. And this is commonplace for nearly everyone, who isn't a total and complete misanthrope at heart. What stopped Dzhokhar Tsarnaev from becoming a physical therapist and living the American dream was Islam and its stranglehold over his older brother.

I have friends and acquaintances who're not just the Boston (Irish, British, or Italian) club(s), but also Cambodian, Haitian, Vietnamese, Indian, Nepalese, Armenian, Greek, Turkish (non-believing former Muslims), Korean, Russian, etc, etc. The greater Boston area has accepted ppl for generations. And you can tell because you see a lot of ppl with their roots in this area, even after they sojourn out to California, Texas, Delaware, or abroad for work because they always come back to see their real friends and family.

My partner grew up in the Central Valley and me in Santa Clara Valley. We have local friends just like you would in your hometowns, too.
Especially lots of my partner, in her 'hood in the Central Valley. Of mine here in SJ, more than half are gone. As far as I know, all but one of those who left driven away by the crowded overpriced low quality of life. Replaced by people with a different set of values, immigrant hustlers or careerists from other parts of the US.

It's not California that is dysfunctional. It's the people who are attracted to live here. Like Ceffer said they view us as losers.

The outrageous cost and poop 💩 everywhere should be enough for any convention not consider going to SF.

Coprophiliacs! Come for the convention, stay for the poop!

Do Coprophiliacs hold conventions?

Hi Goran_P: I think you mentioned on a thread a while ago that you left California.

Would you mind sharing a report card with us about your relocation? Maybe you can share about quality of life changes good or bad for your immediate family members. Thanks!

Ceffer says

Friends? What are those. You mean those people who will ingratiate themselves superficially to see what you have, then move on rapidly if there is nothing to gain? There are lots of them. People will also go along for the ride while spending and flaunting money.

Human values are for losers.

Sadly, this describes my experience with many of my so called “friends” here in the Silly-con valley

B.A.C.A.H. says

Hi Goran_P: I think you mentioned on a thread a while ago that you left California.

Would you mind sharing a report card with us about your relocation? Maybe you can share about quality of life changes good or bad for your immediate family members. Thanks!

I’d like to know too... Nevada?

BayArea says

Sadly, this describes my experience with many of my so called “friends” here in the Silly-con valley

Unfortunately, this sounds familiar to many of my long time immigrant friends too in Bay Area. Generally I hear good things from folks who moved to different states. I completely agree with what "Ceffer" said. I feel he has good wisdom on SF Bay Area :). Perhaps that is how the life is here for many.

I am amazed that the LinkedIn HQ is in a shithole area. On the other hand.....

A friend of mine works in biotech. She said that now PhD's and MD's are doing what folks with a BS or MBA did years ago.

willywonka says

I am amazed that the LinkedIn HQ is in a shithole area. On the other hand.....

A friend of mine works in biotech. She said that now PhD's and MD's are doing what folks with a BS or MBA did years ago.

Explain

BayArea says

A friend of mine works in biotech. She said that now PhD's and MD's are doing what folks with a BS or MBA did years ago.

Explain

Oh jeez this is so obvious in "tech".

I remember recently a slick young errand runner in finance department with his oversized Georgia Tech MBA ring bird-dogging PO's. Really?

Or so many PhD EE's performing E-test on devices. Back in the day, talented self-trained dudes with only HS education, or perhaps AA degrees, would perform those tasks.

Pathetic.

BayArea says

willywonka says

I am amazed that the LinkedIn HQ is in a shithole area. On the other hand.....

A friend of mine works in biotech. She said that now PhD's and MD's are doing what folks with a BS or MBA did years ago.

Explain

Oversupply of college graduates causes this.

Sequential post-docs and continual indentured servitude, with no guarantee of landing an academic position, or, making decent coin in sales or tech support. Hmmmm.....

BS degree: 4-5 years.
PhD degree: 5-6 years.
Post doc 1: 2 years.
Post doc 2: 2 years.

A modest proposal to solve the homeless crisis in SF. This is a wolf0dog: half German Shepard + half Wolf. Release these in troubled neighborhood + problem solved

B.A.C.A.H. says

Or so many PhD EE's performing E-test on devices. Back in the day, talented self-trained dudes with only HS education, or perhaps AA degrees, would perform those tasks.

The guy who worked on the C64 was a HS-only educated guy who served a single term in the Army working on electronics. He was basically responsible for putting together the best selling computer of all time, I think he was in his mid/late 20s.

willywonka says

A friend of mine works in biotech. She said that now PhD's and MD's are doing what folks with a BS or MBA did years ago.

Cali has been like that for some time. Professional competition for 'The Weather'. It leads to credential stacking, over-qualification, and tons of footloose professionals competing and looking for spots. i remember talking with an ENT doctor years ago who said at that time plastic surgeons were driving taxis in San Francisco waiting to wedge in to some opportunity or another. We were in his car. He had moved from a cushy practice in Michigan and waved his hands at the pretty hills around Walnut Creek and said this was the reason. He left a medical dynasty in Michigan to toss his hat into the Cali free for all.

I spent time in different parts of the country where college graduates had nice jobs doing various technical occupations. Move back to Cali, those jobs required higher multiple levels of paper credentialing, licensing into Masters, Phd. etc. The high litigation atmosphere also doesn't help.

i knew a guy who had a job that he had done competently for years and was 'experience qualified'. He was booted because of legal fears and replaced by paper chasing degree stackers.

B.A.C.A.H. says

BayArea says

A friend of mine works in biotech. She said that now PhD's and MD's are doing what folks with a BS or MBA did years ago.

Explain

Oh jeez this is so obvious in "tech".

I remember recently a slick young errand runner in finance department with his oversized Georgia Tech MBA ring bird-dogging PO's. Really?

Or so many PhD EE's performing E-test on devices. Back in the day, talented self-trained dudes with only HS education, or perhaps AA degrees, would perform those tasks.

Pathetic.

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Going through a PhD Chemistry program, I can attest that most of the people I saw get pushed through the system and leaving with their doctorates were woefully unqualified to do anything most of the people with bachelors going to work right away would do. It actually got in the way of me getting a job because the people with PhDs want to get paid more but...in general, were less qualified than the people with a BS in the same field.

Booger says

and poop 💩 everywhere

We can do emojis here now???

theoakman says

Going through a PhD Chemistry program, I can attest that most of the people I saw get pushed through the system and leaving with their doctorates were woefully unqualified to do anything most of the people with bachelors going to work right away would do. It actually got in the way of me getting a job because the people with PhDs want to get paid more but...in general, were less qualified than the people with a BS in the same field.

I had a very different experience, PhD advisor actually cared about mentoring, and his PhD students were very well-prepared. All of them save 2 or 3 out of >60 still work in their field and do well. Of course, the flip side of it was huge pressure and 80-hr work-weeks. Group was called "labor camp" by others but there was enough guidance and money to do whatever the hell you wanted.

About conventions, I was in SF at a conference in middle or late 90's and there was shit on sidewalk near Moscone(?) center already. God save SF if it has gotten worse...

B.A.C.A.H. says

Hi Goran_P: I think you mentioned on a thread a while ago that you left California.

Would you mind sharing a report card with us about your relocation? Maybe you can share about quality of life changes good or bad for your immediate family members. Thanks!

Alright, here's my bird's eye view answer to your question.

Best Quality of life changes:
- Lower taxes, Less fear of more: One of the things I love about not living next to a coast. I never have to worry about some mega bond being floated to support some entitlement program or union pensions that are out of control. That was the thing I hate about California. Every year, your county or even at the state level, Democrats would always put some super bond to vote, and you knew it was going to pass. Whether it was BART, or another school district levy, it always passed.

- Less crowds: One of the things you'll notice instantly. In LA, it might take you 20 minutes to get to the grocery store because of all the lights, cars, find parking, etc. Outside of California, you almost take it for granted that you might hit one stop light before you get to your destination. Then when you're about to park, you're not in a line waiting for the one parking spot located in the back corner of the Costco, you can park one or two rows away from the entrance with little effort, same with Walmart, etc.

- Friendlier people: People are less superficial but also I find way less political. In LA, or SF, I found people way more political outwardly than they are outside of California. Everyone in California is a Vegan, LGBT, Animal rights, etc activist and they'll make sure you know it because of their bumper sticker, or t-shirt, or anything else they can shove in your face to let them know they sleep with people of the same sex. Not so in the real USA. People tend to not care about your bedroom habits and in fact it rarely comes up as a topic in normal conversation. People in California are way too tribal and militant about their affiliations. Here, I can eat a steak in front of a vegetarian, and we can both have a good conversation about non-political stuff during our meal. In California I feel like that would cause a fight.

Less Nanny politics: I can buy any rifle I want (for now), I can buy ammo without a background check, and I have a tax stamp for a sound suppressor for my AR-15. These are things you simply cannot do in California. I can also use 20 plastic straws if I want during dinner.

- Overall COL: I'm a transplant, so I appreciate this far more than other people in my area. But property taxes, housing cost, gas, etc are all way cheaper. If you could take your Silicon Valley Salary and move, you would probably live like a king. I was lucky enough to take a lot of my wealth, and my business currently lets me support clients remotely (most of the time), so I enjoy the income of someone who works in LA, or SF, but with literally 50% (or less) of the cost.

Things that I miss:
- Variety of food. Far less competition around the area where I spend the majority of the year, so it has a huge effect on quality eateries compared to living in Orange County, Los Angeles or the Bay Area. Luckily, I prefer to cook my meals more so than not, and it has had a dramatic effect on improving my health.
- Less networking and business opportunities: It's just harder to build a client base outside of highly populated/dense areas. So if you don't have a business that can scale remotely, it would be hard to live a wealthy lifestyle outside of any urban area really unless you know some specialized trade (like being a veterinarian and knowing how to cure horses).

Overall I feel for the people who are stuck in over priced Democrat controlled america. Once you experience real America, it's hard to go back.

rd6B says

theoakman says

Going through a PhD Chemistry program, I can attest that most of the people I saw get pushed through the system and leaving with their doctorates were woefully unqualified to do anything most of the people with bachelors going to work right away would do. It actually got in the way of me getting a job because the people with PhDs want to get paid more but...in general, were less qualified than the people with a BS in the same field.

I had a very different experience, PhD advisor actually cared about mentoring, and his PhD students were very well-prepared. All of them save 2 or 3 out of >60 still work in their field and do well. Of course, the flip side of it was huge pressure and 80-hr work-weeks. Group was called "labor camp" by others but there was enough guidance and money to do whatever the hell you wanted.

Yeah, some research groups were very rigorous. Others were factories churning out grads in 4 years flat with no publications needed.

zzyzzx says

ooger says

and poop 💩 everywhere

We can do emojis here now???

Booger's emoji needs to be ten times the size if it's about San Francisco.

I also heard a rumor that the RSA conference may be leaving SF and going to Vegas. Why do rats desert a ship?

Goran_K says

Overall I feel for the people who are stuck in over priced Democrat controlled america. Once you experience real America, it's hard to go back

Thank you for sharing.

rd6B says

in middle or late 90's and there was shit on sidewalk near Moscone(?) center already.

I was there in 1991 and wanted to check out the Haight-Ashbury district. Didn't SEE poop but smelled it, Saw pisses being taken in broad daylight, no effort to be discreet about it either. There were young panhandlers slouched across the sidewalk demanding in aggressive tones that people stepping over them give them money.

People act like it's a brand new phenomenon, and attribute it to California "liberal" policies. Reality is, climate and opportunity makes people flock here and stay including bums.

zzyzzx says

Booger says

and poop 💩 everywhere

We can do emojis here now???

Yes, any valid UTF-8 character should work since I made the database accept them instead of being limited to just ASCII text.

Did you move to Texas?

My wife and I been going back and forth on moving to Indiana, but it’s hard because we would have to change a lot, and my business is local.

Goran_K says

B.A.C.A.H. says

Hi Goran_P: I think you mentioned on a thread a while ago that you left California.

Would you mind sharing a report card with us about your relocation? Maybe you can share about quality of life changes good or bad for your immediate family members. Thanks!

Alright, here's my bird's eye view answer to your question.

Best Quality of life changes:
- Lower taxes, Less fear of more: One of the things I love about not living next to a coast. I never have to worry about some mega bond being floated to support some entitlement program or union pensions that are out of control. That was the thing I hate about California. Every year, your county or even at the state level, Democrats would always put some super bond to vote, and you knew it was going to pass. Whether it was BART, or another school district levy, it always passed.

- Less crowds: One of the things ...

Automan Empire says

rd6B says

in middle or late 90's and there was shit on sidewalk near Moscone(?) center already.

I was there in 1991 and wanted to check out the Haight-Ashbury district. Didn't SEE poop but smelled it, Saw pisses being taken in broad daylight, no effort to be discreet about it either. There were young panhandlers slouched across the sidewalk demanding in aggressive tones that people stepping over them give them money.

People act like it's a brand new phenomenon, and attribute it to California "liberal" policies. Reality is, climate and opportunity makes people flock here and stay including bums.

That's partly true, but what has changed is that the cops won't lift a finger now due to leftoid policies, even on violent crime, shoplifting below $950 won't get prosecuted etc. etc. You always had smelling hippies and occasional aggressive panhandlers, but they would be dealt with when they overstepped the line and get locked up, or the neighbors would take care of it. Also Haight Ashbury is now everywhere whereas back then it was one of the only two smelly districts (HA and Tenderloin).

I was banging a chick who lived on the corner of Haight and Masonic 15 years ago. Block or two down from Ashbury if I recall. 2nd floor right over some store right on the corner. The living room was one of those rounded corner rooms with great people watching windows. Apparently back in the day it was the free clinic but early 2000s it was a 2 bedroom condo.

During the week that area was clean/quiet/nothing but techies who parked and went inside their digs. Only on the weekends did the freaks show up .. from all over other places in the bay area.

Patrick says

zzyzzx says

Booger says

and poop 💩 everywhere

We can do emojis here now???

Yes, any valid UTF-8 character should work since I made the database accept them instead of being limited to just ASCII text.

California sized poop emojis! PAT! MUST! PROGRAM!

Automan Empire says

People act like it's a brand new phenomenon, and attribute it to California "liberal" policies. Reality is, climate and opportunity makes people flock here and stay including bums.

Weather is just a part of it, the other part is insane policies. In TX, both San Antonio and Austin are D, but SA has no homeless problem while Austin does. Difference is that SA is run by relatively rational Hispanic D's which are kinda like Blue Dog D's of past, while Austin is run by usual, CA-style self-hating insane white libruls.