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That means gay.
Straight doesn’t come with an exception.

Automan Empire says

Straight but not narrow.

Legislation decriminalized pedophilia, that makes rape legal. Somehow you see that as bigotry that rape is illegal, mind boggling.

That's your attempt at a response to my point? "You must be gay." Guess there was no reason to expect anything more sophisticated.

You're dodging my questions. If the law punishes gay couples the same as straight couples, would you be OK with that?

Also, how do you feel about gun laws made by people who hate guns was asked recently as well.

You are dodging all logic.

Decriminalizing pedophilia isn’t good. If someone wasn’t punished enough, they should be, instead of making crime legal.
You have a pretty narrow view of justice when everything revolves about equality. But I guess you aren’t narrow in your mind because you are open to gay relationships if circumstances are ok.

Automan Empire says

You're dodging my questions. If the law punishes gay couples the same as straight couples, would you be OK with that?

Still dodging the questions. Are you in favor of making and enforcing "anti-pedophilia" laws with the same standards and punishments whether the people involved are gay or straight?

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What is the point of the legislation ?

How retarded does one have to be to really think that the people behind the bill were looking to allow or encourage 20 year old gay kids to have consensual sex with 14 year olds?

Fortwayne, you need to read this and stop your misinformed virtue signaling. https://qvoicenews.com/2019/08/16/california-senate-bill-145-would-end-sentencing-discrimination/

Also, you should not let NoCoup manipulate your mind like that. He posts this stuff especially for gullible right wingers that can't think for themselves. He doesn't even believe his own bullshit. Or at least I hope not.

Don't let your fantasies about left wingers take you so far out of the real world.

Is Anal and Vaginal sex equal?

No. Anal is far riskier when it comes to almost every disease transmission as well as other diseases that can't be transmitted via vaginal sex, like E. Coli and Shigella and even parasites. Being the "bottom" is far riskier. Who thinks the bottom in a 23-year old gay man with a 15-year old high school kid is going to be the older man?
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/analsex.html

The risk of HIV transmission during anal intercourse may be around 18 times greater than during vaginal intercourse, according to the results of a meta-analysis published online ahead of print in the International Journal of Epidemiology.

http://www.aidsmap.com/news/jun-2010/hiv-transmission-risk-during-anal-sex-18-times-higher-during-vaginal-sex

This doesn't even get into the huge disparity of condom use when it comes to Anal vs. Vaginal sex.

Treating far more risky anal sex the same as vaginal sex in terms of risk to public health is absurd and anti-scientific.

Fortwaynemobile says

Loser Liberals won’t do anything until lgbts rape their kids in middle school and get away with it.

They still wont act. They will say "non-lqbtq people also rape children, so stop being a bigot."

Just like they do today, even if they see facts that show them that rainbow people assault children at FAR higher rates, they will just lie and pretend that they commit the crime at the same rate as all other groups. I'm sure you can think of a few cases where they do this already, and so they will do it some more.

HeadSet says

@NoCoupForYou Sorry, accidentally hit "dislike" on your post. Should have let my hands warm up before clicking.

you can unclick it now

Hircus says

HeadSet says

@NoCoupForYou Sorry, accidentally hit "dislike" on your post. Should have let my hands warm up before clicking.

you can unclick it now

Done, thanks.

No you are dodging logic.

Decriminalizing crime isn’t an answer. This is new CA where by virtue of butt fucking one can commit crimes. New liberal religion these days.

Automan Empire says

Still dodging the questions. Are you in favor of making and enforcing "anti-pedophilia" laws with the same standards and punishments whether the people involved are gay or straight?

I don't really agree with @NoCoupForYou about a lot of this stuff - people should be able to do whatever they want in their bedrooms, and who am I (or for that matter other Patnetters) to say that something is better or worse than what I prefer. Make consent age 16 and let them do whatever. If people are happy being gay, good for them - and good for me as well, more pussy for straight guys.

With respect to different standards/punishments for different types of offenders - we can talk also about male vs female sex offender punishments, not only straight vs gay. Where is that legislation?

Having said that, there is a worrying trend that NoCoup notes (and @AutomanEmpire disagrees with), namely attempts to normalize everything. For example, in any public interaction organized for kids, the adult participants are supposed to be screened, to undergo online trainings of how to interact with kids etc. At our school I had to do this several times when lecturing to high school kids. Then lets take a look what happens when transgendereds get involved:

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-public-library-admits-registered-child-sex-offender-read-to-kids-in-drag-queen-storytime/285-becf3a0d-56c5-4f3c-96df-add07bbd002a

HOUSTON — A registered child sex offender has been reading to children at Houston Public Library as part of its Drag Queen Storytime. A media spokesperson for the library confirmed one of those drag queens, Tatiana Mala Nina, is Alberto Garza, a 32-year-old child sex offender.

So, if you are a regular fucking white male (or for that matter black male or female, or whatever), you have to be checked and rechecked, and undergo trainings. If you are a transgendered sex offender, all is fine and these requirements are waived. This is quite interesting and seems to support NoCoup's idea that something is brewing behind the curtain.

Fortwaynemobile says

This is new CA where by virtue of butt fucking one can commit crimes.

Your answer to this speaks to the origins and depth of your engagement in this issue. Are you in favor of making and enforcing "anti-pedophilia" laws with the same standards and punishments whether the people involved are gay or straight?

rd6B says

So, if you are a regular fucking white male (or for that matter black male or female, or whatever), you have to be checked and rechecked, and undergo trainings. If you are a transgendered sex offender, all is fine and these requirements are waived. This is quite interesting and seems to support NoCoup's idea that something is brewing behind the curtain.

You can abuse up to 15 children (convicted for 2 cases) and get early release from prison if you switch genders:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/iowa-releasing-convicted-sex-offender-due-to-sex-change-lowering-chance-of-re-offending

University Researchers working with Pedo activists to survey "MAPs" (Minor Attracted Persons, the new PC/SJW term for Pedos).
https://www.thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-university-professors-are-working-with-pro-pedophile-charity/

I have to admit, the proposed laws mandating quartering of pedophiles in upper middle class homes seemed a bit over the top. However, I suppose it segues well with the parachuted ghetto drops with every housing development, now.

proposed laws mandating quartering of pedophiles in upper middle class homes

Unless the pedos are also soldiers, because mandatory quartering of soldiers violates the Third Amendment.

They are just trying to make pedo shit acceptable.

The line has been moving fast in CA lately.
All the dick suckers got elected to office in our state.

They were furious at Trump where his inclusivity speech mentioned religion, but not faggots.

HeadSet says

proposed laws mandating quartering of pedophiles in upper middle class homes

Unless the pedos are also soldiers, because mandatory quartering of soldiers violates the Third Amendment.

I want them fucking shot dead or imprisoned regardless of their lifestyles.

Society’s future is children, letting pedos fuck them is a crime against society.

Automan Empire says

Fortwaynemobile says

This is new CA where by virtue of butt fucking one can commit crimes.

Your answer to this speaks to the origins and depth of your engagement in this issue. Are you in favor of making and enforcing "anti-pedophilia" laws with the same standards and punishments whether the people involved are gay or straight?

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Are you so afraid that great leader will fail in moving us further towards fascism that you lower yourself to calling liberals pedophiles ?

NoCoupForYou says

Minor Attracted Persons, the new PC/SJW term for Pedos

You have to know I'm not with the far left sjws and pc crowd when they go over the top. But you are seriously reaching when you fantasize that sjws are going to be backing tolerance of pedophiles. Sure the term exists among some mental health people that believe in decreasing the stigma (maybe reflecting their own sympathy). You're not going to hear wide sjw backing pedophile tolerance anytime soon.

Again, not that I back most sjw nonsense these days. It's just that this is a pure and total political fantasy on your part. Dream on.

Are you so afraid that great leader will fail in moving us further towards fascism

Removing market regulations, lowering taxes and other steps to reduce government interference in the economy is hardly Fascism. That is, if you understand that Fascism is where government overly controls, but does not own, the means of production. Or is "Fascism" just a term you through out to compare people you do not like to Nazis?

HeadSet says

other steps to reduce government interference

he should reduce government interference by meaningfully cutting spending, which will be more efficient reduction of gov't controls

Automan Empire says

Are you in favor of making and enforcing "anti-pedophilia" laws with the same standards and punishments whether the people involved are gay or straight?

Hell to the yes!

I don't care if some man who rapes little boys claims not to be a homosexual, he still needs to be castrated.

rd6B says

HeadSet says

other steps to reduce government interference

he should reduce government interference by meaningfully cutting spending, which will be more efficient reduction of gov't controls

Agree. Hopefully, that will be on the agenda.

marcus says

You have to know I'm not with the far left sjws and pc crowd when they go over the top. But you are seriously reaching when you fantasize that sjws are going to be backing tolerance of pedophiles. Sure the term exists among some mental health people that believe in decreasing the stigma (maybe reflecting their own sympathy). You're not going to hear wide sjw backing pedophile tolerance anytime soon.

Again, not that I back most sjw nonsense these days. It's just that this is a pure and total political fantasy on your part. Dream on.

Marcus, do you realize this line of reasoning doesn't really work well for you given what has ultimately turned out about almost everything you've opined on?

Who do you think Pedos are more aligned to?

When was the last time we heard about reducing stigma of sexuality and what ended up ultimately happening? Why do you think the end goal is different here?

NoCoupForYou says

When was the last time we heard about reducing stigma of sexuality and what ended up ultimately happening? Why do you think the end goal is different here?

Goal ? The word goal implies an organized effort.

By your absurd reasoning there could be no such thing as true progress, becasue anything done in the name of progress could be a mistake and if that occurred it would definitely lead to infinite mistakes that are of course of greater and greater magnitude. How does it work with sexuality ? Because society has largely been convinced that homosexuality is okay, or at least that it should be tolerated, (which you have determined was a mistake), that therefore taboos against necrophelia, pedophilia, and Zoophilia are all inevitably be next ?

One social cultural norm changes and therefore everything is up for grabs ? (you wish - becasue it would feed more dishonest arguments demonizing the left !)

Remember Iwog and his argument about the legal age of consent ? I would argue that Iwog was not arguing for pedophilia. I disagreed with him, about sixteen year olds having legal freedom to make such decisions, but on the other hand, I don't think every mature man that has ever found a sixteen year old girl sexually attractive is a pedophile.

Why do I bring this up ? Because not only do I know that there is not going to be a movement of acceptance of pedophilia, I'm quite sure that even the laws of consent are very unlikely to be challenged, and in my opinion, where they would be most likely to be challenged would be in conservative states.

On top of state laws relating to age of consent, there are federal laws protecting teens from predators. None of these are going to be challenged in the slightest, even if you can find three people on the internet that think they should be. Why ? For a bunch of reasons, but the biggest is that so many people are parents or can relate to the concerns of parents. This is a democracy.

How can you argue that tolerating behavior between consenting adults is a slippery slope towards tolerance of adults preying on young people whose minds aren't even fully developed yet ?

I doubt you even see the degree to which your argument here is an argument against democracy. This is consistent with the take a lot of Americans have on Trump cucks. Actually I know that as afraid of democracy as you might be, you know there is no such movement. It's just more of your lies in an effort to paint the good guys as being the actual bad guys.

You do this shit constantly.

marcus says

You do this shit constantly.

I sure do.

When was the last time you were fundamentally right about something?

That's not a personal attack, it's pointing out the value of your predictions/arguments.

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That's kind of a childish reaction to being wrong.

When right wing extremist assholes who find lying easier than breathing insist I'm always wrong, it's as close as possible to confirmation that I'm right as you can get.

TO you, my thinking the president deserved to be impeached or that he deserved to be investigated makes me somehow wrong ? I never predicted he would be removed from office.

I did predict he wouldn't be elected. And he did lose the popular vote, for what that's worth. But yes, I had no idea there were as many people that were that clueless and so totally devoid of the kind of virtues that would have made voting for Donald Trump impossible.

marcus says

Kind of a childish reaction to being wrong.

Not really.

Let me go back to my question you didn't answer:

NoCoupForYou says

Who do you think Pedos are more aligned to?

NoCoupForYou says

NoCoupForYou says

Who do you think Pedos are more aligned to?

It's a stupid question. I don't believe the people you imagine exist actually do exist.

You think there are people out there that want sexually abusing children to be an accepted or tolerated practice ? If such people do exist, I would say that just lobbying for that should get them on some list of identified sex criminals.

Perhaps you're thinking of people that have sexually abused a child, and regret it and know it's wrong, but "want to be understood" or that it wasn't their fault becasue they couldn't help it. So they want less stigma. Sure they might try to get understanding from the kind of psychologists (that they need to be talking to) that are likely democrats, but they won't get it from the public at large. This is deeply ingrained primal right versus wrong thing. The consequences and the stigma obviously need to be harsh and negative, to help such people control their sick impulses.

Over 95% of democrats are going to be on the same page about this. Zero tolerance. It's another one of your, "lets take this one sicko whacko I read about on the internet," and say that it's where democrats are headed.

You still dodged my question.

Are Pedos voting GOP or Democrat?

There are people who wanted to make it a forced subject in CA schools. Yes those people do exist, they have pride parades too.

Btw Epstein was big proponent of decriminalizing pedophilia, he frequently stated that it’s normal in other cultures. Very clear example yet again.

marcus says

You think there are people out there that want sexually abusing children to be an accepted or tolerated practice ? If such people do exist, I would say that just lobbying for that should get them on some list of identified sex criminals.

https://notthebee.com/article/washington-schoolboard-president-owns-an-all-ages-sex-toy-shop---how-is-this-ok