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Heraclitusstudent says

It's not spreading exponentially in the US. Is it?

Neither is the Coronavirus. It took weeks to get to 400+ cases.

Heraclitusstudent says

You say that only because have your politics colored glasses and see everything presumably bad for Trump as a conspiracy.

You mean how the media shifted from "Don't you dare hurt globalism from shutting air travel down with China", including Senator Schumer, to today, where Jack made "Trumpedemic" trend?


I'm on the side of reason. I've been calling this overhyped BS from the beginning.

Millions have probably had this disease already. In the grand scheme of epidemiology, this is a nothing burger. Making it into a something burger is politicization.

Plus the Trump administration is doing all the right things - relief for gig workers, payroll tax cuts, now we just need to add a bit of Fed bazooka / PPT and we can rocketship this baby back up. Looks like the numbers of most countries for new infections are at or below 15% which is huge. A new day just started on the counter at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Let's see if we can keep this trend of slowing new infections.

Also my respect for Pence has grown significantly - was never a big fan but the way he handles the vitriol from the leftoid reporters with stoicism is remarkable, this has been going on since he demolished that demonrat idiot whose name I forgot during the VP debate before the 2016 election.

Map of the US looks like it has hemorrhagic acne. Primarily in all of the dirty places where one would expect.

Some late data came in and added cases to the US coming in as one of the higher countries for new infections - likely due to ramped up testing - so the US ended the day with 23% of new infections, still a small decline. The other good news is most countries have declined, most European countries and Iran came in well under 15%, and Asia is leveling off fast now.

Oh! They changed the fucking map! Now states mostly have a single large dot on them now vs. cities and counties. It's fucking EVERYWHERE and they're hiding it! hahaha

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

We're all gonna die!!!!

It's almost an impossibility if you've been out in public that you have NOT been exposed to this in the last month or so. Just saw on the news tonight that you can transmit if infected for up to 21 days (this is with limited data of course). Some people have minimal to no symptoms.

This first became somewhat public in China during early December I believe? So that means this could have been around since late October and potentially earlier, transmitting from person to person. It's mid March. 100's of thousands of people had been through the Wuhan region from November through January. This thing is all over the globe already. If you've been sick since early December there's no telling if it was typical influenza or Corona if you didn't get tested.

Both my kids had cough and/or respiratory issues in late January with a slight fever. Could have just been a cold. Could have been the flu. I'd have no idea because it wasn't severe enough to do anything about it beside cough medicine and fever reducer. No doc visit necessary.

TL:DR - Corona is massively overhyped and you likely have been exposed to it.

Usually fever is flu not cold but then again I'm not sure when it comes to kids.

I was nailed pretty good in mid-Jan as well. Thought it was the flu and work with a lot of people who travel back and forth to China a lot.

Could be!

he demolished that demonrat idiot whose name I forgot during the VP debate before the 2016 election.

That was Tim Kaine, a Senator from my state.

Cold fact is that worldwide about 150,000 people DIE EVERY DAY!
Now we have 4,000 worldwide Coronavirus death over about 3 months. How this nasty FLU compare?
I think all is grossy overblow.

just_dregalicious says

Usually fever is flu not cold but then again I'm not sure when it comes to kids.

I was nailed pretty good in mid-Jan as well. Thought it was the flu and work with a lot of people who travel back and forth to China a lot.

Could be!

I know you've mentioned respiratory issues and I'm not a doctor, so obviously stay safe. I'm admittedly biased right now because of vacation plans in the coming weeks (not Guam... yet). I just honestly think this has been spreading for a while if you look at time lines.

And the testing almost seems pointless now. Especially on the West Coast. It's almost certain that between even December to late January that 10's of thousands traveled between CA and China and probably thousands in Wuhan. I'm probably being conservative too. It's almost impossible for this not to be the case. Factor in the lunar new year for the Chinese... this shit is and probably has been everywhere for the last 30-45 days minimum.

I now have the luxury of getting my fucking temperature taken to board a ship and potentially be turned away from ports for something I suspect most people have been exposed to.

It doesn't transmit that easily with an R0 of 2, which is moderatley but not super high. The 21 days and survival on surfaces for days are extreme cases, as is the symptom less transmission. While it's possible it's unlikely. Most transmissions happen in direct and immediate contact. Don't forget it's cold and flu season and millions catch a cold or flu, doesn't mean it's CV. The best measures you can take i
are avoiding obviously sick people and never touching your face before washing your hands thoroughly and avoiding large gatherings. You can still get it if you follow those guidelines, but your chances are extremely slim. It's not easy not to touch your face and takes a bit of training.

HeadSet says

he demolished that demonrat idiot whose name I forgot during the VP debate before the 2016 election.

That was Tim Kaine, a Senator from my state.

Ah yes I remember now thanks. That guy was a quagmire.

WookieMan says

I know you've mentioned respiratory issues and I'm not a doctor, so obviously stay safe. I'm admittedly biased right now because of vacation plans in the coming weeks (not Guam... yet). I just honestly think this has been spreading for a while if you look at time lines.

Totally agree... Wasn't poking fun it really could have been. It was strange because it did not affect my sinuses at all which usually happens. I don't usually get the flu either though. But I do recall being relieved it seemed I wasn't going to get nailed because my nose was strangely fine.

I think it's overblown too. For most.

Lots of mistakes though. Lots. Not okay to blow it off because it kills the old mostly. Not okay to compare it to X because it's additive. But I don't think it's preventable. (see: below)

I've been sort of looking at it like this: Not much can take out society quickly. Nukes, Asteroid, EMP natural or otherwise/related, volcano-related, rampant disease (We're all inbred ~30th cousins, shit can take us out no problemo, we do see this in nature it just isn't shown on the Discovery Channel)

So I see this as sort of like a nuclear war where most of them were duds, some hit out in the middle of nowhere and didn't kill many. How did society/govts respond?

I'm pretty damn disappointed so far. Thinking that wild idea about retiring in BFE (maybe with yams and M134) isn't such a bad idea even if it is not close to a hospital. We haven't had billions of inbred on the planet very long.

Yeah, I was thinking about you when I heard on the radio the state is recommending no cruises! I canceled my Hawaii trip if it helps haha.

BTW, I was at Scripps Memorial Hospital today to meet with a surgeon to discuss the recliner (yes, furniture did it to me) injury I received and I noticed a male nurse using his sleeve to push elevator buttons. Then in radiology there were signs posted (no text) all over of people with masks on their faces. Surgeon fist bumped me.

Made me so happy!

recliner (yes, furniture did it to me) injury

Was that from a "Mr Bean" method of getting the recliner home from the furniture store? Or is that an electric recliner that went out of control and folded up on you "George Jetson" style?

Are you as Smart as a MIT scientist?

https://summit.news/2020/03/10/mit-scientist-claims-coronavirus-is-a-deep-state-fraud/

Zika - named for Zika Forest in Uganda
Ebola - named for Ebola River, Congo
MERS - Middle East Respiratory Syndome
Spanish Flu - Spain

Yet:
SARS - Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome
Corona Virus/Covid-19

Both emerged in East Asia.

RACIST!

Let's call it the Wu Ping Cough.

NoCoupForYou says

Zika - named for Zika Forest in Uganda
Ebola - named for Ebola River, Congo
MERS - Middle East Respiratory Syndome
Spanish Flu - Spain

Yet:
SARS - Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome
Corona Virus/Covid-19

Both emerged in East Asia.

RACIST!

Let's call it the Wu Ping Cough.

Hong Kong flu. But that was before Hong Kong fell under Commie rule.

MUST BE PC TOWARDS COMMIE FASCIST FUCKS!!!!

I think bass called it Kung Flu. I like that.

HeadSet says

Was that from a "Mr Bean" method of getting the recliner home from the furniture store? Or is that an electric recliner that went out of control and folded up on you "George Jetson" style?

Protip: Never use the decline feature on a relax the back gravity chair to stretch your shoulder.

Flu kills more people in an hour than this bogus virus.

NoCoupForYou says

Neither is the Coronavirus. It took weeks to get to 400+ cases.

And now at 1000+ cases. With the testing capacity of a third world nation.


mell says

Again, the new infection rate in the US has started to trend down since testing has been established.

Where do you see that?

The_Weeping_Ayatollah says

It's not necessary for more severe strain to kill the host in order to hamper it's spread: people infected with more severe strain would more likely stay home or be put into quarantine thus hampering propagation of the virus

This would also select deadly bugs with long incubation periods.
The reality is collaboration with hosts always beats killing the host. This is why symbiosis is so common in nature.

Still not understanding the hype.... If you've been slightly sick in the last 3 months, there was a decent chance it was CV. True urgency and awareness for this didn't start until early/mid Feb, with the first "reported" case in China being December. Think of the amount of travel to and from China in a month? There's 0% chance this wasn't spreading in the states by late December. Zero.

Again, this very much has likely been around as early as October in China and maybe earlier. The reaction that this is just NOW starting to spread is completely naive. Wouldn't be surprised to find out that 10-20% of the population has already had it.

Tim Aurora says

The_Weeping_Ayatollah says

Spanish Flu - Spain

Spanish Flu did not originate in Spain but in France

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

And? It's called the Spanish flu. It shares a border with France. There's an extremely high probability that in the early 1900's no one had a fucking clue where it came from. I think 99% of the population alive today would think it came from Spain. Who cares?

Coronavirus Conference Gets Canceled Because of Coronavirus

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-10/coronavirus-conference-gets-canceled-because-of-coronavirus

For comparison, here are two previous fu epidemics:



And here are some (already obsolete) stats on the current epidemic:

Tim Aurora says

The_Weeping_Ayatollah says

Spanish Flu - Spain

Spanish Flu did not originate in Spain but in France

And I didn't write what you quoted.

Patrick says

Coronavirus Conference Gets Canceled Because of Coronavirus

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-10/coronavirus-conference-gets-canceled-because-of-coronavirus

Almost like a quote from Babylon Bee

Heraclitusstudent says

And now at 1000+ cases. With the testing capacity of a third world nation.

How many people in the US right now do you think have the flu or common cold?

NoCoupForYou says

Heraclitusstudent says

And now at 1000+ cases. With the testing capacity of a third world nation.

How many people in the US right now do you think have the flu or common cold?

It's still growing linearly now that testing has ramped up. It's not true that testing is unavailable. They have been distributing enough tests to the states to test those that are sick (not the ones not showing symptoms). Asia continues to be on the downslope, Europe is mixed and likely close to experiencing the peak or at it. Same for the US.

Heraclitusstudent says

mell says

Again, the new infection rate in the US has started to trend down since testing has been established.

Where do you see that?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Used to grow by 30%+ the first few days when testing was established. Of course it's easier to get higher percentage when staring out low in the beginning, but it has now been around 25% flat per day. As testing has been catching up that's not too bad. Let's see where the day ends today.

Total Number of People that have or had Coronavirus in past few months: 10M
Total Number by Summer: 50M

Only confirmed cases are being published. Most went home, drank tea, vegged on the couch, and went back to work a few days later. Never went to doctor or hospital at all.

mell says

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Used to grow by 30%+ the first few days when testing was established. Of course it's easier to get higher percentage when staring out low in the beginning, but it has now been around 25% flat per day. As testing has been catching up that's not too bad. Let's see where the day ends today.

You have to believe the Chinese when they say they stopped the virus, at a time where it is spreading everywhere else.
Without that, the numbers you are looking at are just wrong.

Heraclitusstudent says

You have to believe the Chinese

LOL, LOL and ROTFLMAO on top of that.

Heraclitusstudent says

mell says

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Used to grow by 30%+ the first few days when testing was established. Of course it's easier to get higher percentage when staring out low in the beginning, but it has now been around 25% flat per day. As testing has been catching up that's not too bad. Let's see where the day ends today.

You have to believe the Chinese when they say they stopped the virus, at a time where it is spreading everywhere else.
Without that, the numbers you are looking at are just wrong.

Bullshit. The Chinese don't fuck around with the clampdowns. Their numbers are believable, plus the same trend is seen for other Asian countries. You can spout tinfoil hat stuff all day, we have direct contact with companies that work there. It's true that they're slowly going back to normal, you can see that by how the Asian stocks are behaving as well. It's the European and US indexes that have been under pressure lately, not the Asian ones.

Hong Kong is pretty much unaffected as of now.

WookieMan says

Heraclitusstudent says

It will just be slowed and minimized. The main problem initially will be the overwhelmed health services.

Not here.

People in Europe & Asia are mere barbarians compare to us. USA USA USA....

- Italy health services are overwhelmed:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/11/italys-hospitals-overwhelmed-coronavirus-top-health-official-says-worst-yet-come-us

- well actually... turns out Italy has 3.18 hospital beds / 1000 people. vs 2.77 hospital beds / 1000 people in the US
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_hospital_beds