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I'm way overdue for a doctors visit. Most older folks go at least once a year, get blood work done etc. When I do go, I wonder if I should get tested ?

I guess that would be another explanation.

marcus says

At this point even bad doctors probably won't be using hydroxychloroquine

? You mean the drug that has shown effective in both preventating and treating covid?

LOL dude you crack me up.

marcus says

The best explanation now for the death count not jumping is that there hasn't been time.

Huh? Look at the initial rise of the virus as far as cases and deaths go. Maybe a 7 day lag. That trend is gone. New cases don't matter outside of knowing if someone has had it or not. It burned through who it could kill. It's over.

marcus says

When I do go, I wonder if I should get tested ?

I guess that would be another explanation.

I just read they wont give a CV test without symptoms. Is this true?

marcus you want to do a little forecasting w me? I dont think we will continue to see lower and lower deathrate into higher and higher CV case rate. it appears that we have passed the point where the deaths should show up from these cases and we still dont see them. this is what i would expect from the low deathrates already established within the younger generations who are now catching the virus.

Do you disagree w any of this? if so, whats your projection?

If we all agree that these high cases, low deaths is good, why arent we opening the economy?

CBOEtrader says

I just read they wont give a CV test without symptoms. Is this true?

No. I know for sure that you can go to the drive-thru location and get tested w/o syptoms. The processing will be slower though.

marcus says

At this point even bad doctors probably won't be using hydroxychloroquine which should be a factor helping to prevent the death numbers from surging as much as the new cases are.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study

"June 4, 2020 - The online medical journal The Lancet has apologized to
readers after retracting a study that said the anti-malarial drug
hydroxychloroquine did not help to curb COVID-19 and might cause death
in patients.

The study was withdrawn because the company that provided data would not
provide full access to the information for a third-party peer review,
saying to do so would violate client agreements and confidentiality
requirements, The Lancet said in a statement."

In California, some scraggly hippie with a divining rod waves it over you and declares you Covid positive.

thomasdong1776 says

Will you?

U.S. sets one-day record for COVID-19 cases

Good answer!

Deaths keep falling.

Cases are proportional to testing.

The left is playing this up to try to hurt the economy more.

Patrick says

Good answer!

Deaths keep falling.

Cases are proportional to testing.

The left is playing this up to try to hurt the economy more.

There is a report by a Texan ICU/hospital coordinator or so saying that while cases have risen the average stay in the hospital for severe cases is now 3-5 days only and almost never ICU, which is mostly occupied by other infections or conditions.

It's much worse than that imho. Cases rose in Texas because Texas started deliberately counting anyone who had antibodies as being a "case" even if it was months after they had it.

https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/texas-coronavirus-testing-conflate-antibodies-11912520

And the CDC did the exact same thing nationally, for political reasons. It's mind-boggling.

At least a bunch of prominent honest scientists have called out the CDC on this perfidy. it can't possibly be mere incompetence. They are the CDC for Christ's sake!

I feel like you're making too much out of this.

It's just data. New cases have spiked a lot, and everyone knows (and says maybe is is largely due to increased testing or other factors ). And everyone sees even accounting for the lag, that deaths haven't spiked much yet. If they don't in another week, they will back off on the increased caution.

We're all watching the same movie, and increased concern following the spike in new cases was warranted. As will a decrease in concern as new deaths continue to not spike.

Here. let me join in the political hysteria - making everything political.

If Trump had done a better job of pushing a lot more testing sooner we wouldn't be in this situation.

marcus says

As will a decrease in concern as new deaths continue to not spike.

You are assuming the mob is rational

The left/media/Dems will totally find a way to keep the fear going. Maybe you're secretly sick and damaging your organs! I actually heard someone say that.

Patrick says

The left/media/Dems will totally find a way to keep the fear going. Maybe you're secretly sick and damaging your organs! I actually heard someone say that.

I heard something very similar the other day!
They're clinging to everything and people are lapping it up. Talks in SF always go like "well I don't know did you hear about that person to which Covid did so and so to their organs? I read it somewhere scary isn't it!" These are by their own definition seasoned people, sometimes even in the healthcare field. And everytime I give the same answer, that with any highly contagious and thus widespread viral infection you will have odd cases where organs go haywire due to differences in genetics and immune systems. The only important question to answer is if there's a significant increase in such cases percentage wise relative to total infections compared to other peer infectious diseases, if not, then this anecdote has no relevance. Any given day you can go through the interwebs medical databases and find curious cases of usually unremarkable infections gone wrong.

Patrick says

Cases rose in Texas because Texas started deliberately counting anyone who had antibodies as being a "case" even if it was months after they had it.

marcus says

It's just data. New cases have spiked a lot, and everyone knows (and says maybe is is largely due to increased testing or other factors ).

It's misleading data. Patrick is saying antibody tests are counted as new cases even if the person potentially got the virus in March. The data should be accounted for somewhere, but they should most definitely NOT be put in the new case column.

If half the new cases are from people that cannot transmit the virus, it's borderline criminal. People and businesses are being fucked over because of this data. There's no logic to the new case metric. So yeah, it's data, but it's obvious as shit stinking that it's being manipulated. For what reason is all we're asking, which you should be too.

WookieMan says

Patrick says

Cases rose in Texas because Texas started deliberately counting anyone who had antibodies as being a "case" even if it was months after they had it.

marcus says

It's just data. New cases have spiked a lot, and everyone knows (and says maybe is is largely due to increased testing or other factors ).

It's misleading data. Patrick is saying antibody tests are counted as new cases even if the person potentially got the virus in March. The data should be accounted for somewhere, but they should most definitely NOT be put in the new case column.

If half the new cases are from people that cannot transmit the virus, it's borderline criminal. People and businesses are being fucked over because of this data. There's no logic to the new case metric. So yeah, it's data, bu...

Worse. People with antibodies should be the goal as it is the successful outcome of a vaccination and the road to herd immunity. There may not be a vaccine needed at all except for the very old and immune compromised. We're basicallly now tracking a common cold/flu with the vast majority of people never experiencing symptoms. But testing positive for immunity may have dire consequences of not being able to work and being socially outcast : "this is Timmy. Timmy caught a common cold this year, but did you know that Timmy also KILLED HIS GRAMPA? Don't be like Timmy and hide in your moms basement until we tell you to come out! - A message from your leftoid TDS losers."

mell says

Worse. People with antibodies should be the goal as it is the successful outcome of a vaccination and the road to herd immunity. There may not be a vaccine needed at all except for the very old and immune compromised. We're basicallly now tracking a common cold/flu with the vast majority of people never experiencing symptoms. But testing positive for immunity may have dire consequences of not being able to work and being socially outcast : "this is Timmy. Timmy caught a common cold this year, but did you know that Timmy also KILLED HIS GRAMPA? Don't be like Timmy and hide in your moms basement until we tell you to come out! - A message from your leftoid TDS losers."

I get it. I was just addressing Marcus and the flippant comment that it's just data. Of course it is, but if it's misleading, intentionally or not, it needs to be called out. Bad data is bad data. The shaming of Timmy is emotional, it's likely impossible to remove that from the storyline unfortunately.

With regards to herd immunity. We both know it's necessary. But what is going to be stated is that we just don't know with "this" virus. This one is "different" than the rest. You could get it again and die, so we need to stay locked down. My point all along is I take care of myself. There are logical things the government takes care of, roads, fires, policing, water, etc. They don't control whether I should be able to go outside or take my kid to a park as a full grown ass adult. That's absolute bull shit. There were months where a Chicago resident couldn't walk, bike, run the lakeshore path. WTF?

thomasdong1776 says

Patrick says

Good answer!

No, an evasion. You said "the Wuhan virus is going away". It is quite clearly not going away. It would seem the mainstream media aren't the only ones who refuse to admit they were wrong.

Bullshit. It is going away everywhere except for in the US due to fake counting. Looked at Europe's or Asia's numbers lately? Let me guess CV in the US is somehow "different" lol. It's an afterthought in Europe by now as everything reopens.

Germany had 393 cases yesterday. The US 57k. Whose numbers are closer to the truth? The ones brought to you by the TDS crowd or German scientists?! lol right.

thomasdong1776 says

Unimportant.



What's 500k of 10M?

thomasdong1776 says

NoCoupForYou says

Unimportant.

Patrick's post didn't say deaths. Typical con chicanery, trying to change definitions mid-stream.

Huh? Your own graph shows that new cases don't correlate to deaths. The trajectories are completely different. New cases does not mean more deadly. So who give a flip about new cases, you've graphically proven that new cases don't matter. Thanks.

CBOEtrader says

these people need balls to speak out publicly, or frankly they are part of the problem. these anonymous memes... you believe this? Not the messing with the numbers part, but this specific observation? you think it holds water?

False positives have been plaguing the test results for months, now. It gets reported but nobody updates the official counts.

thomasdong1776 says

So what?

"One would think that the objective fact that the Wuhan virus is going away will eventually make its way into people's minds."

Was he right or wrong?

The biggest concern with any virus is deaths to a population. Deaths are going and trending down. How is that not going away?

I'd say he's right.