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Bitcoin Misinformation


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2020 Nov 10, 10:01am   138,220 views  2,177 comments

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In my opinion, it’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. In a pump-and-dump game, promoters “pump” up the price of a security creating a speculative frenzy, then “dump” some of their holdings at artificially high prices. And some cryptocurrencies are pure frauds. Ernst & Young estimates that 10 percent of the money raised for initial coin offerings has been stolen.

The losers are ill-informed buyers caught up in the spiral of greed. The result is a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary families to internet promoters. And “massive” is a massive understatement — 1,500 different cryptocurrencies now register over $300 billion of “value.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/24/17275202/bitcoin-scam-cryptocurrency-mining-pump-dump-fraud-ico-value

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131   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 23, 1:59pm  

OV, does that mean you havent bought Bitcoin yet???
132   WookieMan   2020 Nov 23, 2:20pm  

G36 says
There hasnt been a single day of us not receiving bullish news of institutional FOMO. Bitcoin transitioned from speculation to a pretty sure longer term investment asset. Exciting times ahead.

Already happened once. Be cautious. It's going to plummet again. This time will likely be worse and take longer to get back into the current phase. At some point there will be a cross roads where no one trusts it anymore and your money is worthless and it won't get back up to current valuation. This is a when, not an if. I'm not going to predict a timeline with pumpers, but it's coming, hence your activity here and probably other sites to keep it afloat. The bilge pump can only keep up with so many holes in the boat. At some point it's overwhelmed and sinks.
133   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 23, 2:24pm  

wookie, you disagree with the Citibank price target of 318K by 2021 for Bitcoin?
Whats your target range? 250k?
134   Onvacation   2020 Nov 23, 2:48pm  

G36 says
OV, does that mean you havent bought Bitcoin yet???

Nope! but as soon as I get some investors I'm gonna mine me some
https://patrick.net/post/1314087/2018-02-28-getrichquickcoins

I'm starting a new cryptocurrency. I am selling them at a discount while I set up the blockchain (a free open source technology where a continuously growing list of records, called blocks, are linked and secured using cryptography).

If you send me a dollar now I will send you a unique (kinda) sequence of bits (0s and 1s) when I start mining the blockchain.
GetRichQuickCoins, the currency of the future!

Wanna buy some?
135   Onvacation   2020 Nov 23, 2:50pm  

G36 says
the Citibank price target of 318K by 2021 for Bitcoin?

THIS! is why we never should have bailed out those bankers.

They get FREE MONEY to loan at interest and still can't keep their books balanced.
136   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 23, 2:58pm  

OV, calm down.
And maybe take an economics class. With failing banks you have a depression like never seen before. never heard: too big to fail?
You start to sound like these occupy wall street nutjobs.
138   Onvacation   2020 Nov 23, 3:11pm  

Hey G,
I see you got yourself an ignore. Work harder, you'll catch up to my 6.

The way I see it crypto is kind of a musical chair kind of investment. As long as more people keep on giving the miners money to produce (currently about 900 coins a day) they will keep on mining. They spend ALL of this money on electricity, new hardware, construction, housing, food, blow, hookers, etc. and this money is GONE!

The only thing that keeps the party going is if someone is willing to pay for the bitcoin.

Someday the whole world is going to realize there is no there there.

Good luck on your investment. Just make sure you get out before the miners can't make enough money to support the ever-increasing cost of the "decentralized" system.
139   Onvacation   2020 Nov 23, 3:13pm  

Still have not addressed the "scarcity" gimmick of the "currency of the future"

Stay tuned.
140   WookieMan   2020 Nov 23, 3:15pm  

G36 says
wookie, you disagree with the Citibank price target of 318K by 2021 for Bitcoin?
Whats your target range? 250k?

By when in 2021? It's about 40 days away. It will go back into 4 figure territory at some point in my opinion and could stay there for longer than it did after the last pump 3 years ago. You might want to question why a big bank would itself be pumping price targets of $318k. You're playing with people that can destroy you and not blink if they lose $50M. That's all I'll keep saying. It's an unregulated stock and not a currency. Know what you're playing with.
141   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 23, 3:28pm  

probably not Jan1 is my guess. Maybe towards the end of the year we will see the 318k per Bitcoin. Due to scarcity and decentralization, I believe its doable.
Institutional FOMO is strong....and thats big money.
142   WookieMan   2020 Nov 23, 3:43pm  

G36 says
and thats big money.

Works both ways. Big money can get sucked out as fast as it came in. And it will at some point as there's nothing of value with crypto. It's literally no different than a video game. Except the players with money to buy advantages have many more zeros in their account than you do and can afford to lose more.
143   Onvacation   2020 Nov 24, 7:55am  

WookieMan says
It's literally no different than a video game.

No. Video games are entertaining.
144   WookieMan   2020 Nov 24, 12:57pm  

Onvacation says
WookieMan says
It's literally no different than a video game.

No. Video games are entertaining.

So is crypto though. It's like watching Nolan Ryan pitch to a 12 year old. We all know who is going to win, regardless of the blind swing occasionally making contact. Most are swings and misses. I fear for the hit by pitch though with a lot of these crypto "investors."
145   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 24, 3:56pm  

https://news.bitcoin.com/us-cryptocurrency-regulation-sec-chairman-jay-clayton-bitcoin/

SEC Chairman Jay Clayton Explains US Crypto Regulation, Calls Bitcoin a Store of Value

Very bullish news. I think the 9Trillion market cap for Gold and the 400B market cap for Bitcoin will soon shift dramatically. Institutional investors see a multi trillion market cap for Bitcoin. Gold will still play a small role in the future.
146   Onvacation   2020 Nov 24, 4:20pm  

G36 says
Gold will still play a small role in the future.

Gold will always be valuable. A tremendous amount of work and energy is required to mine and refine it into the shiny, non corroding, malleable, extremely conductive and non reactive metal that real gold is. All the work is preserved in the metal which has uncountable uses in industry and fashion. It has been money, real money, since time immemorial. Hold it, own it.

The pseudo gold, or digital "gold" called bitcoin is "mined" using tremendous amounts of work and energy. When done the "miner" earns some "coins" which get sold to pay for expenses. All the work used to "mine" these "coins" must constantly be redone in order to preserve the "anonymous" ledger that keeps track of "coin" ownership.

The price of the "coins" MUST go up as the bitcoin puzzles to be solved get harder and require more work and energy to earn less "coins". As long as new buyers keep on adding money to the system the "miners" can continue to run their "mines" and feed their families. Most of the money put into bitcoin is consumed to keep bitcoin running.

WHEN the plug is pulled the coins are gone.
147   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 24, 4:24pm  

WOW

"I joined in April this year, at that time our assets, institutional assets under custody were $6 billion, today we stand at over $20 billion, so more than a three time increase."
“We have had an explosion of activity,”

https://news.bitcoin.com/coinbase-20-billion-cryptocurrency-custody-institutional-investors/
148   Onvacation   2020 Nov 24, 6:00pm  

There are only 21 million Bitcoins. There are 2 billion working people in the world. Final Bitcoin value = (average individual economic productivity) × (number of productive people) ÷ (21 million). A GROSS simplification, but the answers is in the tens of billions $ per coin. — John McAfee (@officialmcafee) November 30, 2017
149   Onvacation   2020 Nov 24, 6:06pm  

bitcoin going to the moon
the currency of the future
buy now or be priced out forever
they're not making any more
$317,000 per coin next year
buy now at bargain price of $20,000
1600% profit if you get in now
150   WookieMan   2020 Nov 24, 6:08pm  

Onvacation says
John McAfee

lol. The guy that created software to stop the things he created. The pumpers eat this stuff up though.
151   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 24, 8:30pm  

Onvacation says
There are only 21 million Bitcoins.


Agreed. Bitcoin could easily be at 500k a coin in the next few years. So many billionaires and hedge fund guys that want Bitcoins.
152   WookieMan   2020 Nov 24, 9:01pm  

G36 says
Onvacation says
There are only 21 million Bitcoins.


Agreed. Bitcoin could easily be at 500k a coin in the next few years. So many billionaires and hedge fund guys that want Bitcoins.

What happens when they don't and sell off?
153   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 24, 9:04pm  

what happens when every stock holder sells all their stocks at the same time?
What happens if the corona virus turns everyone into zombies?

Why am I not surprised that the Bitcoin haters always asks those type of questions?
154   WookieMan   2020 Nov 24, 9:10pm  

G36 says
what happens when every stock holder sells all their stocks at the same time?
What happens if the corona virus turns everyone into zombies?

Why am I not surprised that the Bitcoin haters always asks those type of questions?

I never made the claim that BTC was going to be $500k either.

You don't have to answer the question, but I know you know the answer.
155   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 24, 9:12pm  

The race is on to get the last available Bitcoins. Most Bitcoin holders dont sell.

Now, Ricardo Salinas Pliego, Mexico’s second-richest person, has said he’s put 10% of his liquid assets into bitcoin—arguing it protects from "government expropriation."
"Many people ask me if I have bitcoins," Salinas, who Forbes estimates has a fortune of around $12 billion through an empire sprawling retail, banking and broadcast businesses, said via Twitter in comments translated from Spanish. "Yes. I have 10% of my liquid portfolio invested it."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2020/11/20/mexican-billionaire-reveals-government-fears-sparked-bitcoin-investment/?sh=427f3499258d
156   Onvacation   2020 Nov 25, 7:40am  

G36 says
The race is on to get the last available Bitcoins

Not available until 2040 2140
157   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 25, 11:43am  

There arent enough Bitcoin for sale for each Millionaire to have only one Bitcoin. Price will continue to explode.
158   Onvacation   2020 Nov 25, 12:29pm  

G36 says
There arent enough Bitcoin for sale for each Millionaire to have only one Bitcoin. Price will continue to explode.

They could always buy a couple https://patrick.net/post/1314087/2018-02-28-getrichquickcoins
159   Onvacation   2020 Nov 26, 8:11am  

Question for bitcoiners, if the money you put into bitcoin gets used by miners for electricity, hardware, rent, food, hookers, and blow; how do you get your money back out?
160   Bd6r   2020 Nov 26, 8:25am  

Onvacation says
They could always buy a couple https://patrick.net/post/1314087/2018-02-28-getrichquickcoins

As much as I like your idea, this kind of crap has been pulled off before. See OneCoin and BitConnect. While gold can not be duplicated, one can most certainly start zir own BitCrap, so 'scarcity" is not an issue there. Having said that, one can earn a lot of money if Ponzi scheme lasts long enough and if one is not too greedy. I remember that back in E. Europe volatile days of 1990, banks offered 90% interest - if you withdrew money before bank went bust, you actually did very well.
161   Onvacation   2020 Nov 29, 8:39am  


Bitcoin Price Crashed Back To $17,000: Here's Why It's Dropping
By Vincent Figueras
11/26/20 AT 8:20 PM

KEY POINTS
RSI has been in overbought territory since October
The government is reportedly about to announce new rules on wallets
OKex has resumed withdrawals
Bitcoin has experienced its largest pullback in the rally on Thursday, missing the chance to reach a new all-time high on the backdrop of strong institutional and retail demand.

Bitcoin opened Thursday at $18,719, tried to breach past $19,000, only to be met with strong resistance on its way up. Upon the strong rejection, Bitcoin slid down, going as low as $16,205 before closing at $17,170. It’s the largest pullback so far in this 2020 rally that saw Bitcoin went from $10,000 on Sept. 5 to a 2020 high of $19,172 on Nov. 24.


According to Matthew Dibb, CEO of Stack Funds, leverages have been unwinded in a move many have already expected. The funding rate in the futures market has risen sharply to 0.098%, which was a sure sign of overleveraging. When the price of Bitcoin dropped, the funding rate also went back to 0.011%. This is a sign that excess leverage has been weeded out, Coindesk reported.

On the technical side, the rally has appeared overextended for some time now. The RSI has been indicating that Bitcoin was already on overbought levels since Oct. 20. The price drop Thursday allowed RSI to go back to bullish territory again, allowing the current rally to breathe for some time before resuming again.

On the fundamental side, multiple factors may have affected trader sentiment, further amplified by the fact that Bitcoin was nearing its previous all-time high.

https://www.ibtimes.com/bitcoin-price-crashed-back-17000-heres-why-its-dropping-3089972

Isn't it cute the way coiners pretend they have real investments and not speculatives schemes?
162   Onvacation   2020 Nov 29, 8:40am  

Onvacation says
Question for bitcoiners, if the money you put into bitcoin gets used by miners for electricity, hardware, rent, food, hookers, and blow; how do you get your money back out?

Serious question. I think the answer is greater fool.
163   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 30, 2:21pm  

Onvacation, I am really sorry for you that Bitcoin hit a new all time high today. You seemed so excited about an alleged dip that happened over Thanksgiving?
Well, you may still hope for another correction :)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bitcoin-hits-all-time-high-of-19-786-topping-record-from-december-2017-11606750573

Hope dies last.
164   WookieMan   2020 Nov 30, 2:57pm  

G36 says
You seemed so excited about an alleged dip that happened over Thanksgiving?

I think I said it in one of the 3-4 post going on this topic........ but it would get a bump after Thanksgiving as everyone talks with family and sits down and gets them to buy some right then and there. "Crypto is on fire, you should get in Uncle Jim and cousin Bobby." It will flame out like it did last time and crash. I'd be a seller right now, but I'm guessing a lot of people are holding from last time and will get screwed again thinking it's going to $300k. Good luck.
165   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 30, 3:10pm  

WookieMan says
G36 says
I'd be a seller right now


How can you be a seller now if you would have sold everything at 18k as you said 4 days ago? Do you even realize how ** you sound?
166   Onvacation   2020 Nov 30, 3:16pm  

G36 says
Onvacation, I am really sorry for you that Bitcoin hit a new all time high today

Bigger Fools.

Any answer for my question:Onvacation says
Question for bitcoiners, if the money you put into bitcoin gets used by miners for electricity, hardware, rent, food, hookers, and blow; how do you get your money back out?
167   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 30, 4:44pm  

Onvacation says
G36 says
Onvacation, I am really sorry for you that Bitcoin hit a new all time high today

Bigger Fools.



lol, yeah sure, people making money with the best performing asset are fools. I bought almost 2 BTC at 14k ish. up over 10k in 1 month. What a great feeling to be a fool!
168   WookieMan   2020 Nov 30, 4:57pm  

G36 says
I bought almost 2 BTC at 14k ish. up over 10k in 1 month. What a great feeling to be a fool!

lol, $10k in a month. Enjoy it. Add a 0 to that I'll maybe start getting interested in Crypto. So many better ways to make money.

G36 says
Do you even realize how ** you sound?

Not sure your point when boasting about $10k in gains. Do you realize how you sound? Not sure if you're 23 or something, but a $10k gain is nothing. Zilch. Again, wake me up when we're talking 6 figures.
169   Onvacation   2020 Nov 30, 6:08pm  

G36 says
Bigger Fools.



lol, yeah sure, people making money with the best performing asset are fools. I bought almost 2 BTC at 14k ish. up over 10k in 1 month. What a great feeling to be a fool!

That's what I'm talking about.
170   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 30, 6:10pm  

WookieMan says
G36 says
I bought almost 2 BTC at 14k ish. up over 10k in 1 month. What a great feeling to be a fool!

lol, $10k in a month. Enjoy it. Add a 0 to that I'll maybe start getting interested in Crypto. So many better ways to make money.

G36 says
Do you even realize how ** you sound?

Not sure your point when boasting about $10k in gains. Do you realize how you sound? Not sure if you're 23 or something, but a $10k gain is nothing. Zilch. Again, wake me up when we're talking 6 figures.


says the guy who owns zero bitcoin :) In which asset have you invested 28k and gained 10k in one month. I'll wait :)

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