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Patrick says

Capers have a high level of quercetin in them naturally.

Chewing on white oak leaves gives this also. A few pounds per day would be sufficient. Sustainable and acceptable for preppers!

Patrick says

Rin says

if you can't get to HCQ, use 500-1000 mg/day of Quercetin in

Capers have a high level of quercetin in them naturally.

Here's the thing, capers are also a high sodium item so in effect, to get to the medicinal dose of 500-1000mg of Quercetin a day, you'll be undoing the good work by loading up on too much salt.

Clearly, they're meant to be used as a garnish and not as a main course, unlike let's say dried seaweed.

I still say, get the supplement and take the daily medicinal dosage and you'll notice a lot of beneficial effects like skin rashes, sore joints, etc, going away. And so far, none of my guinea pigs have gotten a cold or flu since I'd up'ed the dosage thanks to Dr Zelenko's initial reporting on Zinc ionsphores.

The more troubling thing about this is this was known and it means Trump was saving the dying and the Demonrats and leftoids killed them. Democrat Governors and people in the CDC (and fauxci) suppressing and prohibiting the distribution of HCQ should be prosecuted for second degree murder. Maybe first degree if political motives can be proven.

Yes, at a minimum tens of thousands died in the US because Democrats could not admit that Trump was right that HCQ reduces Wuhan Virus mortality.

Any more information about Ivermectin? You can buy it at Tractor Supply.

The HCQ nonsense bothers me a lot because it is a cheap and safe drug. Taking it would likely not have resulted in many bad outcomes as a result of using the drug. Not using it likely resulted in many needless deaths and suffering.

Yeah ivermectin is the cheapest, used for animals routinely. Also as prophylaxis in 3rd world countries. Works as well though probably hasn't been studied as extensively as HCQ.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240755

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/mayo-clinics-northwest-wisconsin-hospitals-placing-beds-ambulance-garage-lobbies

Don't worry jo bi-den has a plan after coming out of the basement in 2022! But HCQ orange man baaaad!

Hydroxy is very hard to get. I might try the Ivermectin if I got sick but I can't find any info to translate the horse version to appropriate human dosage. Hard to find human dosage info for Covid in general, just FDA disclaimers saying that it is NOT APPROVED for Covid.

I tell you what though, when you have so little trust in the medical establishment that you are shopping for medication at the feed store, things are fucked the hell up.

I have a friend who fortunately has rheumatism. HCQ is commonly prescribed for that.

Strangely, side effects are universally acknowledged to be no danger when taking HCQ for anything that does not give Trump credit!

But if Trump might get credit, they you will die die die of "potentially fatal cardiac arrhythmias" if you take HCQ.

Yes, things are fucked up. Liberal hate is a far greater danger to our lives all than, say, nuclear war is.

Patrick says

I have a friend who fortunately has rheumatism. HCQ is commonly prescribed for that.

Strangely, side effects are universally acknowledged to be no danger when taking HCQ for anything that does not give Trump credit!

But if Trump might get credit, they you will die die die of "potentially fatal cardiac arrhythmias" if you take HCQ.

Yes, things are fucked up. Liberal hate is a far greater danger to our lives all than, say, nuclear war is.

The solution then may be to create a new pill that combines HCQ with another ingredient (maybe caffeine), and give it a whole new name . Then Biden came claim credit for a new wonder drug on his watch.

Robert Sproul says

Hydroxy is very hard to get. I might try the Ivermectin if I got sick but I can't find any info to translate the horse version to appropriate human dosage. Hard to find human dosage info for Covid in general, just FDA disclaimers saying that it is NOT APPROVED for Covid.

I tell you what though, when you have so little trust in the medical establishment that you are shopping for medication at the feed store, things are fucked the hell up.

You can convert % weight of the drug to mg. You need an accurate scale. An electronic powder scale for reloading ammunition works well. The half life of Ivermectin is about 18 hours. You can get therapeutic dosing on the drug info.

It is fucked up that we have to go to a feed store to get something that possibly works better than the stuff being pushed by the medical industry. This shows just how bad things have become in regards to our trust in the institutions we rely on.

I still have not heard a satisfactory explanation to the origins of the virus. What are the odds of this thing being natural with the many different sequences of RNA being found in many other viruses? You would have to have a host infected with multiple viruses at the same time or close together to get this virus.

Does gain of function research make more sense? I see virologists disagreeing with each other. It makes me think some are honest and some are covering their ass.

I am also scratching my head about the memory RNA vaccine. Will it work or should we be focusing on T cell immune response? Why could they not just develope the vaccine with the well known older technology? What happens if there are serious side affects many years down the road with this mRNA vaccine technology?

What I am left with is a huge distrust in most everything being pushed by MSM or authority figures. I have very little information and mostly questions that will likely go unanswered.

thenuttyneutron says

What I am left with is a huge distrust in most everything being pushed by MSM or authority figures.

Yes. The WHO especially has proven itself to be a corrupt pawn of China.

thenuttyneutron says

What happens if there are serious side affects many years down the road with this mRNA vaccine technology?

Isn't this more or less, a "designer virus" motif, whose main objective is to stealth invade the human cell's ribosomal complex and make lots of proteins, using it, and possibly blocking other bodily functions? I mean its not like the ribosomal complex doesn't have a job to do.

I'd imagine that this sort of treatment should be done in cell culture (in vitro in a cell culture bioreactor) and then, have those proteins, which in this case are antigens, isolated and injected in the human host than to let some bioengineered mRNA fragments run amok in the body?

thenuttyneutron says

Robert Sproul says

Hydroxy is very hard to get. I might try the Ivermectin if I got sick but I can't find any info to translate the horse version to appropriate human dosage. Hard to find human dosage info for Covid in general, just FDA disclaimers saying that it is NOT APPROVED for Covid.

I tell you what though, when you have so little trust in the medical establishment that you are shopping for medication at the feed store, things are fucked the hell up.

You can convert % weight of the drug to mg. You need an accurate scale. An electronic powder scale for reloading ammunition works well. The half life of Ivermectin is about 18 hours. You can get therapeutic dosing on the drug info.

It is fucked up that we have to go to a feed store to get something that possibly works better than the stuff being pushed by the medical industry. This shows just how bad things have becom...

You can also buy ivermectin for human dosage from overseas. Of course it may come from China ;)

mell says

You can also buy ivermectin for human dosage from overseas. Of course it may come from China

... laced with fentanyl.

https://covexit.com/professor-raoult-sues-the-french-health-authorities-could-hydroxychloroquine-be-rehabilitated-in-court/

Even after the retraction of the infamous Lancet Mehra et al study, based on fraudulent data, the message of most national health authorities has remained to discourage its use, because of supposedly significant cardiac risks and no therapeutic benefits.

While numerous studies have now proven the contrary, and the practical experiences of several doctors with numerous patients have shown that, as part of a package of quality outpatient care, the drug can play an important role in reducing the need for hospitalization and the mortality risk.

Vladimir Zelenko and Brian Tyson are two medical doctors having treated, in an outpatient setting, some 4,000 COVID-19 patients together , with spectacular success.

The study on the clinical work of Dr Zelenko and his team, at the beginning of the pandemic, has now been peer-reviewed, is in press and available as a pre-proof, in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents.

The study, by Derwand, Scholtz and Zelenko, shows that “the odds of hospitalization of treated patients were 84% less than in the untreated patients.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304258

FuckCCP89 says

mell says

You can also buy ivermectin for human dosage from overseas. Of course it may come from China

... laced with fentanyl.

Yeah but a small price to pay to be rescued from succumbing to !covid!

I found a treatment protocol for Ivermectin.
Not a 100% sure who these dudes are but they sound legit.
https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/

On the Treatment of Covid-19
Treatment protocol
Prophylaxis
1 Zinc (25mg to 50mg per day)
2 Quercetin (250mg to 500mg per day)
3 Bromhexine (25mg to 50mg per day)
4 Vitamins D (2000 u/d) and C (1000mg)
5 Aspirin (80mg to 100mg per day)*
Early treatment
1 Zinc (75mg to 150mg per day)
2 Quercetin (500mg to 1000mg per day)
3 Bromhexine (50mg to 100mg per day)
4 Vitamins D (5000 u/d) and C (1000mg)
5 Aspirin (162mg to 325mg per day)*
Prescription only
1 Ivermectin (0.2 mg/kg daily for two days)*
2 High-dose vitamin D (up to 100,000 IU)
3 Azithromycin (up to 500mg per day)
4 Prednisone (60mg to 80mg per day)*
5 Heparin LMW (usual dosage)

Treatment successes
For more results, see the full scientific references at the bottom of this page.
Zinc
• US physicians reported an 84% decrease in hospitalizations, a 45% decrease in mortality among already hospitalized patients, and an improvement in the condition of patients within 8 to 12 hours based on early treatment with zinc in addition to HCQ.
• A Spanish study found that low plasma zinc levels (below 50mcg/dl) increased the risk of in-hospital death of covid patients by 130%.
• A US study reported a rapid resolution (within hours) of covid symptoms, such as shortness of breath, based on early outpatient treatment with high-dose zinc.
Ivermectin
• Ivermectin has shown strong anti-viral and anti-inflammatory effects in numerous controlled and observational studies, reducing covid mortality even in severe cases by up to 90%.
• Based on these results, the US Front-Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) recommends ivermectin for covid-19 prophylaxis and early treatment.

FuckCCP89 says

mell says

You can also buy ivermectin for human dosage from overseas. Of course it may come from China

... laced with fentanyl.

And melamine. I think they put melamine in everything, baby formula to powdered eggs.
Or maybe fentanyl is the new melamine for all these uses.

Robert Sproul says

5 Aspirin (80mg to 100mg per day)*

Allisure's Allicin (active ingredient extract from Garlic) has a lot of similar blood thinning properties as Aspirin.

Now that Trump is going to be run out of office, it's ok to resume studying HCQ again.

Rutgers is leading a clinical trial assessing the combination of nitazoxanide, ribavirin and hydroxychloroquine to treat people 21 or older who are infected with SARS-CoV-2 and are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. The trial is being conducted with Synavir Corporation, a global health company that works with academia, industry and government to develop combination treatments for new viral infections.

Robert Sproul says

Hydroxy is very hard to get. I might try the Ivermectin if I got sick but I can't find any info to translate the horse version to appropriate human dosage.

This drug is used all the time to for dogs to treat multiple parasites. There is a SINGLE DOSE, you don't take this shit daily or weekly. I've never heard of it being effective as an anti-viral.

Generally dosage is based on weight. Got a pet? Ask your vet about the drug.

This will give you an idea for dosage.

https://www.drugs.com/ivermectin.html

richwicks says

This drug is used all the time to for dogs to treat multiple parasites.

It also can cause blindness/deafness in some shepherd/collie breeds. Not sure if translates to humans in any way.

> Hi Patrick,
>
> I was curious about the site you mentioned. When you Google it, here’s one of the top hits:
>
> https://www.newsguardtech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/CovidAnalysis.pdf
>
> I have no idea who those authors are and who is more credible, but the concerns brought up there support my bias that this stuff is complicated and beyond our technical expertise, so an anonymous site doesn’t hold much weight with me.

My response:

All of the studies posted on it are non-anonymous, and I'm pretty sure literally every study done is listed there. They are all from legitimate journals. Who makes an index is irrelevant.

At this point in time, it is very dangerous for any scientist to openly question the political orthodoxy that "HCQ is bad because Trump said it is good." So the anonymity of whoever created the index of articles is understandable.

The vast majority of us rely on reporters to objectively report on science, but the media is anything but objective these days:

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-trump-hatred-coverage/

There is no tolerance for political dissent among reporters in the Trump era as nearly all of them are hard-core Democrats. Aside from Fox, which not really journalism, and investors, who care about truth because money is on the line, any reporter will be ostracized and probably fired for suggesting any article pointing out accomplishments by the Trump administration. The left has become exactly what it claims to hate: virulently intolerant of all dissent. No mainstream reporter can objectively report on HCQ and they all know it.

So there is nothing left but for us to look at the primary sources ourselves, and perhaps at anonymous analysis of it to see if we can find any flaws in that analysis.

https://taiwanenglishnews.com/pharmaceutical-factory-on-fire-after-explosion-2-injured/

An explosion at a pharmaceutical factory in Taoyuan City left two injured and caused a fire early this afternoon, December 20. ...

Liberty Times reported that the factory produces hydroxychloroquine APIs, and is the world’s second largest HCQ raw material supplier.

No one is actually explaining why the hell HCQ and Ivermectin actually do to your body to prevent or attack Covid?

Why is that?

Atleast I understand how vaccines work... it’s logical. Take some HCQ which is used to treat malaria... take Ivermectin which is for parasite in dogs and horses and hope for the best?

I also understand taking vitamin D, zinc, quercetin, vitamin C and making sure your immune system is strong as can be help a lot with covid.. but taking HCQ and ivermectin... other than random studies claiming it works, I want to know why! People swear by tons of home remedies for illness.. most are just chance.

@BoomAndBustCycle HCQ does actually have a good explanation. It's a zinc transport mechanism so that zinc can better get in the cell where it is known to interfere with the virus's DNA replication.

Patrick says

It's a zinc transport mechanism so that zinc can better get in the cell where it is known to interfere with the virus's DNA replication.

Cool that’s good to know... it seems to be anything that gets your own body/immune system and vitamin levels properly balanced is the best defense against most disease. These drugs just by happen chance enable your body to better fight off the disease.

Just sucks that most Americans are probably nutrient, vitamin and immune deficient on a massive scale, due to our over-processed and seed oil in everything we eat diets. I think that’s the biggest reason that very few people are talking about as to why Covid is so bad in the US.

why Covid is so bad in the US.

How clever. Way to go on sneaking in a false premise and branding it as an established fact.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Just sucks that most Americans are probably nutrient, vitamin and immune deficient on a massive scale, due to our over-processed and seed oil in everything we eat diets.

High-calorie malnutrition. I go to a Walmart in a very poor county once a month or so, to stock up on paper goods etc. It is always astonishing, REALLY big people pushing around carts stacked high with nothing but the most processed foods. Kids are being raised on Fish Sticks, Hot Pockets and Chips-Ahoy cookies for dinner.
One doesn't really have to wonder why modern medicine abandoned the Terrain Theory, in favor of the Germ Theory, early in the last century. There is not much money in promoting nutritional health compared to the 18% of GDP that is siphoned off with the One Germ, One Drug grift.

BoomAndBustCycle says

take Ivermectin which is for parasite in dogs and horses and hope for the best?

This site supplies some of the scientific rationale re: Ivermectin-
https://covid19criticalcare.com

BoomAndBustCycle says

No one is actually explaining why the hell HCQ and Ivermectin actually do to your body to prevent or attack Covid?

Why is that?

Atleast I understand how vaccines work... it’s logical. Take some HCQ which is used to treat malaria... take Ivermectin which is for parasite in dogs and horses and hope for the best?

I also understand taking vitamin D, zinc, quercetin, vitamin C and making sure your immune system is strong as can be help a lot with covid.. but taking HCQ and ivermectin... other than random studies claiming it works, I want to know why! People swear by tons of home remedies for illness.. most are just chance.

Ivermectin is a potent rna polymerase inhibitor, i.e. antiviral. This has been known for a long time. They are usually somewhat selective but it seems it's very potent against sars cov 2. Moreso than hcq and everything else. Not to give this out in early stages and for prophylaxis equates to murder by the fellow leftoid Demonrats, there's no other way of phrasing it, similar if not worse than how they railed against hcq and made it impossible to get.

HeadSet says

why Covid is so bad in the US.

How clever. Way to go on sneaking in a false premise and branding it as an established fact.

Good counter-point. There are other countries with a higher death rate per capita than the US, in spite of the US's enormous obesity problem (pun intended).

1   San Marino  
2   Belgium 
3   Slovenia    
4   Bosnia and Herzegovina  
5   Italy   
6   North Macedonia 
7   Peru    
8   Andorra 
9   Spain   
10  Montenegro  
11  UK  
12  USA 

Patrick says

HeadSet says

why Covid is so bad in the US.

How clever. Way to go on sneaking in a false premise and branding it as an established fact.

Good counter-point. There are other countries with a higher death rate per capita than the US, in spite of the US's enormous obesity problem (pun intended).

1   San Marino  
2   Belgium 
3   Slovenia    
4   Bosnia and Herzegovina  
5   Italy   
6   North Macedonia 
7   Peru    
8   Andorra 
9   Spain   
10  Montenegro  
11  UK  
12  USA 

A lot of it is tied to age. The older on avg the more deaths. US is relatively young even with boomers.

Here is why we are not treating early Covid with HQC and the even more effective Ivermectin.
"Meet The 50 Doctors, Scientists And Healthcare Entrepreneurs Who Became Pandemic Billionaires In 2020"
https://archive.fo/JLWz6

Thanks Robert! This looks like it explains a lot.

I think the recovery rate for Wuhan Virus is 99.7%, compared to 99.9% for the normal seasonal flu.

Just want to be technically correct.