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Can the efficacy of the experimental biologic agent even be measured?

joshuatrio says

"Across the US, unused vaccines are already starting to pile up.

These "vaccines" have a short shelf life. They go bad when not used promptly.

ThreeBays says

You have a 0.01% chance of having a Grade 4 event like a high fever. Oh, such scary side effect for the land of the brave.

Pretty much the same chance as having a grade 4 event due to a sars cov 2 infection, but with no long term safety and side effect data. But you're taking that risk 100% of the time to when you get vaccinated, whereas the risk of a sars cov 2 infection/exposure is anywhere between 20%-40%.

ThreeBays says

mell says

Pretty much the same chance as having a grade 4 event due to a sars cov 2 infection, but with no long term safety and side effect data.

That's not even close to true.

Of course it is or you're unable to do basic math which just is and doesn't lie. Even the liars estimate that 25%-40% have already come in contact with sars cov2 while we recorded 10% positive tests. That's 2x - 3x asymptomatic people you add on to calculate the chance of serious illness and of course a 40% chance of getting in contact, and statistics will tell you the chance of grade 4 is lower then for a vaccination. It makes sense for a certain percentage of high risk people to take it, but if you vaccinate everybody it's actually quite more dangerous. Plus repeat vaccinations at an insane rate of every 6 months or a year will make the odds even worse.

Using an electro nic health records network we estimated the absolute incidence of cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT) in the two weeks following COVID-19 diagnosis (N=513,284), or influenza (N=172,742), or receipt of the BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 COVID-19 vaccines (N=489,871).

The incidence of portal vein thrombosis (PVT) was also assessed in these groups, as well as the baseline CVT incidence over a two-week period. The incidence of CVT after COVID-19 diagnosis was 39.0 per million people (95% CI, 25.2–60.2). This was higher than the CVT incidence after influenza (0.0 per million people, 95% CI 0.0 – 22.2, adjusted RR=6.73, P=.003) or after receiving BNT162b2 or RNA-1273 vaccine (4.1 per million people, 95% CI 1.1 – 14.9, adjusted RR=6.36, P<.001)

Of the recorded 10% positive tests many are repeat tests, which leaves maybe 4%-5% deduplicated cases. If you assume 40% contact you also have to multiply the 4.1 per million by 10 which takes the risk higher than for the actual covid infection. And you haven't taken the other half into account yet which doesn't even get a covid infection. If one takes a valid vaccine the vaccine should have at least 50x-100x lesser chances of serious side effects than the actual infection. At least that used to be the standard before the plandemic and power and money grab.

Again I'm not saying nobody should take the vaccine but this is not a vaccine that should be pushed onto the general population by any MD who swore the hippocratic oath. The math does not justify it, and we don't know anything about long term effects (which to be fair we don't know much about covid infections either but generally other CVS don't leave lasting damage).

mell says

Again I'm not saying nobody should take the vaccine but this is not a vaccine that should be pushed onto the general population by any MD who swore the hippocratic oath.

Not even certain MD's are pushing it. Media is the biggest culprit, government and then the companies themselves. Everyone I know that's gotten the poke has been at a Walgreens, CVS or some government run pop-up facility. They're not going to their actual doc. That alone should raise questions.

6.29% of my kids school's students and staff have gotten covid this year (that has been reported). Of that no one has died and I haven't heard of anyone being sick (670 student total district - we know a lot or hear a lot about things). They've been doing half day all year, but recently went back to full day. You'd have to assume that 6.29% passed it on to others or got it from others. This is just from August '20. Jan to mid August '20 is totally unaccounted for.

If you have kids or are frequently out and about, you've been exposed to it. It's what we need to do instead of trying to hide. We know more about long(er) term effects of covid itself than the vaccine. I'll risk covid first.

Convinced at this point that we're basically just tracking existing influenza strains at this point. Little to no evidence from the people I know that got covid that it's harmful. Just an inconvenience.

ThreeBays says

You have a 0.01% chance of having a Grade 4 event like a serious fever.

Why you pushing this shit?

If you want the "vaccine" take the fucking vaccine and then you'll be protected.

Why do you continue to push thus unnecessary, dangerous, experimental biologic agent?

ThreeBays says

it seems seasonal flu shots have a similar chance of side effects if not worse than the reports on these covid vaccines,

I'm not taking that shit either.

We have an immune system and good therapeutics to deal with respiratory illness. We're not going to eliminate viruses. If this was a real killer we would be seeing dead people on the street.

Viruses are the jackals that take out the weak, old, and sickly.

We're all gonna die, Meanwhile lets live our lives.

Very profitable for a few people!

Does not seem to affect death rates in the least. Compare Texas and Israel graphs linked to above.

I'm laughing at Leftists STILL promising that Florida is "Gonna Get It", now going on for almost a year.

In reality, Florida is #27th despite being one of the biggest states, having the 6th Over-65 Population by percentage and the highest by raw number. And being the go-to for hypocritical Mask Karens and Mask Legislators from Dark Blue States. Teachers demand their Blue State K-12 stay shut, and vacay in Florida maskless.

Don't watch this one if you have had the jab:

ThreeBays says

It looks like about 55~60% have at least one dose already in the Bay Area and this will go up quickly now that 18-50 year olds are eligible since yesterday. That's why our schools are going back to full open in 2 weeks.

There wasn't enough a month or so ago, J&J had to pause, yet now they just open it up to a 32 year wide demographic? Which is a shit ton of people. They don't offer it to children, because they know it doesn't kill them and likely more toxic to them. Now it's being offered to a demo that also cannot die from it.

The stats are all there. Yes people in their 30's can die from it. They also have multiple co-morbidities and the other influenza strains likely would have killed them anyway. We also have an extremely large old population in the US, Boomers. They're going to start dying more rapidly from a bunch of things.

I've yet to see a concise study/report analyzing the demographic break down per capita. They are just pumping out the gross number of deaths, which is scary to people. Go back 30 years and see what the death rate for the size of the population was for influenza per capita. We're likely not that far off. I've seen zero increase in the deaths of people I know or would know of from a friend. An increase of death would be obvious in my network of people. Hasn't happened. Narrative. Propaganda. That's what this is.

Six cases of blood clots reported in MSM for the traditional vac results in it being pulled off market but a couple thousand of deaths reported to VAERS for the mRNA and nary a peep in the news. Mmm hmm sure...nothing to see here folks.

ThreeBays says

FUD

You mean like, "TWO MILLION PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE! If we don't lock down the country for two weeks to flatten the curve so they won't all die at once!" or "We can't reopen the country until essentially the whole world has been vaccinated!"

That kind of "FUD"?

Fuck your experimental biologic agent!

ThreeBays says

It's not rocket science... ~8000 people die every day of all causes, so by this point you'd expect ~4000 deaths every day in people that are in the vaccinated group. The ~30 reports or whatever a day to VAERS ring alarm bells when they show unusual patterns.

Yeah fuck 'em! They were gonna die anyway.

ThreeBays says

they tend to buy into the anti-vax political propaganda

It's not a vaccine. It's an experimental biologic agent that does not confer immunity.

Why are you pushing this shit?

ThreeBays says

Onvacation says

Why do you continue to push thus unnecessary, dangerous, experimental biologic agent?

I'm just LMFAO at the FUD on this thread. Up to you whether you take it or not I don't care - if you're worried about it that much then let the men take it.

So why is a manly man like you pushing this shit?

ThreeBays says

anti-vax propaganda

It's not a vaccine. Good luck with your experimental biologic agent.

In a weird way I'm glad I got Covid in December because I was otherwise going to get the jab. Getting the 'rona made me research and realize that experimental shots are not something I want.

I don't argue the fact that the vaccines work to defend against the virus. We're all going to get this virus, just like the cold or the flu. I would just rather defend against it naturally vs some experimental method for which we have no idea what the long term effects are. For those with compromised immune systems, then I don't blame them for getting the vaccine.

ThreeBays says

They don't offer it to children because the trials were staged with children last.

Why? I'm not anit-vax. I have them all myself outside of getting a flu shot. Take care of yourself and you'll be fine. If you're old or have cancer or multiple ailments it might be a good idea to get it. Most of us here have not said don't get it. We're saying what's the point if younger and healthy? The virus itself is not deadly in 80-90% of the population IF they even get it. We're saying open up and stop with the masking BS and now vaccine shaming.

It's data. Enough people have gotten Covid to understand what it is and what therapeutics work and who this hits hardest. Not enough people have gotten the vaccine to understand even short term and especially long term effects. There's no disputing this. Doctors won't dispute this. Big Pharma has no liability. Record time to mass production. These aren't even arguable points. I've said in 5 years I might be open to getting one of the pokes.

A graph from Scotland means nothing. Maybe they just let it spread? Maybe the vaccine worked. We rely on media for a narrative, not journalism in most cases. If you've haven't been to Scotland during the pandemic you have zero clue how they're handling it. Heck if you're not in IL you have no clue how it's ACTUALLY being handled here.

I have an abundance of anecdotal evidence from my network that this isn't deadly. In fact it is a sinus infection basically from the 30+ people with confirmed positive tests. The current bumps in cases are likely due to allergies. Understand that PCR are wildly off or frankly just made up. Medicine is a business. People put way too much faith into it.

ThreeBays says

Cases in Scotland care homes align perfectly with % of vaccinated residents (4 weeks after vaccination).

I was vaccinated and still got a moderately unpleasant corona (3 wks after vaccination was done), was out for nearly 10 days with 100-101 fever. Worse than any "normal" flu that I had since 2012.

ThreeBays says

Getting my shot in a few hours along with the rest of my elite friends.

What do you mean by elite? Fat?

Rb6d says

ThreeBays says

Cases in Scotland care homes align perfectly with % of vaccinated residents (4 weeks after vaccination).

I was vaccinated and still got a moderately unpleasant corona (3 wks after vaccination was done), was out for nearly 10 days with 100-101 fever. Worse than any "normal" flu that I had since 2012.

Thanks for sharing and for your honesty.

Any side effects from the vax when you had it?

joshuatrio says

Any side effects from the vax when you had it?

No side effects that I can think of. Felt kinda tired in evening of vaccination, but that might have been psychosomatic. Then 3 weeks later came down with corona. I don't even know who infected me. What is fucking annoying is that BEFORE I was vaccinated, I had 2 colleagues + 3 students + 2 or 3 neighbors come down with corona. I did not get infected, even though in two of the cases I spent hours in a closed car with a coughing person who was claiming "seasonal allergies" or "common cold" and two days later was positive for covid. I can't exclude from data available to me that vaccination made me more susceptible to corona infection.

Scary shit here.

Glad you recovered! Did you lose your sense of smell/taste? If so, freaky eh?

Rb6d says

joshuatrio says

Any side effects from the vax when you had it?

No side effects that I can think of. Felt kinda tired in evening of vaccination, but that might have been psychosomatic. Then 3 weeks later came down with corona. I don't even know who infected me. What is fucking annoying is that BEFORE I was vaccinated, I had 2 colleagues + 3 students + 2 or 3 neighbors come down with corona. I did not get infected, even though in two of the cases I spent hours in a closed car with a coughing person who was claiming "seasonal allergies" or "common cold" and two days later was positive for covid. I can't exclude from data available to me that vaccination made me more susceptible to corona infection.

Strange stuff indeed! Glad you're better and thanks for speaking up.

just_passing_through says

Glad you recovered! Did you lose your sense of smell/taste? If so, freaky eh?

Did not lose any smell/taste. However, beer tasted like crap for a while, even after I was OK. The only symptoms I had was fever and I still feel tired, a week after all is over. For a a few days had also mild chest pains if I deliberately inhaled very deep.

Rb6d says

Did not lose any smell/taste. However, beer tasted like crap for a while

I didn't even notice until maybe day 5 or 6 when I decided since I was staying home sick I may as well spend the day smoking some ribs. Thought the fire was out but then realized I just couldn't smell the smoke.

Smell came back just fine though.

Ceffer says

Don't watch this one if you have had the jab:

Where is Jesse Ventura nowadays?

ThreeBays says

cases

Cases are an extremely unreliable metric, because the test itself is extremely unreliable.

Deaths are all that matter.

Patrick says

Cases are an extremely unreliable metric, because the test itself is extremely unreliable.

Yep, our friends 5 y.o. son was tested positive for Covid couple of weeks ago. Then the whole family tested positive while having 0 symptoms. They immediately went to a different testing facility and got negative results on the second test for everybody, including the boy. But they were counted as 4 "cases" for the purpose of "covid statistics".

Patrick says

Deaths are all that matter.

Even those don't matter much either. The vast majority of those dying have other severe ailments. Not just being overweight or high BP or something. Serious shit. Stuff that may have killed them in weeks or months anyway. Over 50% living past life expectancy. I may be conservative on that as well.

Basically most the people dying are damn near bed ridden and dead anyway. It's not like a healthy 70 year old splitting fire wood just dropped dead. Other ailments have decided to stop killing people somehow. That's evidence enough to smell the bull shit. No one here or anyone I know has known an average in health person that has died from covid at any age. No one.

"Covid vaccine turning women into nymphomaniacs who never get pregnant. Men dying of sperm milking exhaustion from rabid, bonobo females in heat."

Well, I can always dream.

ThreeBays says

porkchopexpress says

I would just rather defend against it naturally vs some experimental method for which we have no idea what the long term effects are.

I respect that, but my opinion is I'd rather get the Vax than the virus. The immune response (fever, etc) is going to be there in both but worse with the virus that multiplies uncontrollably and also has means to suppress part of your immune systems. The mRNA doesn't reproduce itself, and doesn't fuck up the cells lining your lungs which we don't know the long term effect of either.

On of my reports got light covid last year, but then felt crap for 6 months with headaches and lethargy.

I don't disagree that some people get long Covid, but most people fully recover and feel great, including me. As far as the virus itself goes, you're right...the key to avoiding death, injury, long Covid, etc. is to squash the viral replication phase of the infection as quickly as possible so that the inflammatory phase is minimized. The jab is supposed to help with that, and I don't dispute it. However, there are a lot of pre- and post-infection therapeutics that the public can take that will do the same or better in my opinion. For example, Ivermectin is proven to eradicate virus replication and Vit D is proven to significantly boost one's immune system. Why didn't the CDC, FDA, Fauci, etc. push for that level of supplementation/treatment? Because in order to get FDA emergency authorization, you CANNOT have any viable alternative therapeutics. They played politics with people's lives when there are clearly VERY solid options to protect ourselves. What does that tell you about the motives of the "powers that be" to get all of us "vaccinated"?

I'd much rather take supplements and Ivermectin, which is a wonder drug that won the Nobel Prize and proven to be safe for a long time.

ThreeBays says

I respect that, but my opinion is I'd rather get the Vax than the virus.

You're likely older then. I respect people that want to get it as long as they don't push it on me. Being in my 30's, I don't need the vaccine. It kills those with terminal diseases or are massively unhealthy in my age range and older age ranges. I'm also sure I had it in January as I don't trust the tests. No one should.

I don't care if one gets the vaccine, but don't push it or support media pushing this shit. I wish you well as nobody has any clue what the long term effects are for any of the vaccines. It hasn't even been a year since the first test poke on anyone.

porkchopexpress says

However, there are a lot of pre- and post-infection therapeutics that the public can take that will do the same or better in my opinion. For example, Ivermectin is proven to eradicate virus replication and Vit D is proven to significantly boost one's immune system. Why didn't the CDC, FDA, Fauci, etc. push for that level of supplementation/treatment? Because in order to get FDA emergency authorization, you CANNOT have any viable alternative therapeutics. They played politics with people's lives when there are clearly VERY solid options to protect ourselves. What does that tell you about the motives of the "powers that be" to get all of us "vaccinated"?

Don't forget injectable Quercetin, the best natural anti-inflammatory with both anti-viral and anti-tumor properties.

https://patrick.net/post/1338735/2021-04-08-injectable-quercetin-exists-the-covid-a

https://patrick.net/post/1334265/2020-08-04-trump-pills-may-be-illegal-but-rin-pills-are-here-and-here-to-stay

Though it's protected by the Dietary & Supplement Act of 1994, if you talk about it, you can lose your license to practice medicine.