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I don't argue the fact that the vaccines work to defend against the virus. We're all going to get this virus, just like the cold or the flu. I would just rather defend against it naturally vs some experimental method for which we have no idea what the long term effects are. For those with compromised immune systems, then I don't blame them for getting the vaccine.

ThreeBays says

They don't offer it to children because the trials were staged with children last.

Why? I'm not anit-vax. I have them all myself outside of getting a flu shot. Take care of yourself and you'll be fine. If you're old or have cancer or multiple ailments it might be a good idea to get it. Most of us here have not said don't get it. We're saying what's the point if younger and healthy? The virus itself is not deadly in 80-90% of the population IF they even get it. We're saying open up and stop with the masking BS and now vaccine shaming.

It's data. Enough people have gotten Covid to understand what it is and what therapeutics work and who this hits hardest. Not enough people have gotten the vaccine to understand even short term and especially long term effects. There's no disputing this. Doctors won't dispute this. Big Pharma has no liability. Record time to mass production. These aren't even arguable points. I've said in 5 years I might be open to getting one of the pokes.

A graph from Scotland means nothing. Maybe they just let it spread? Maybe the vaccine worked. We rely on media for a narrative, not journalism in most cases. If you've haven't been to Scotland during the pandemic you have zero clue how they're handling it. Heck if you're not in IL you have no clue how it's ACTUALLY being handled here.

I have an abundance of anecdotal evidence from my network that this isn't deadly. In fact it is a sinus infection basically from the 30+ people with confirmed positive tests. The current bumps in cases are likely due to allergies. Understand that PCR are wildly off or frankly just made up. Medicine is a business. People put way too much faith into it.

ThreeBays says

Cases in Scotland care homes align perfectly with % of vaccinated residents (4 weeks after vaccination).

I was vaccinated and still got a moderately unpleasant corona (3 wks after vaccination was done), was out for nearly 10 days with 100-101 fever. Worse than any "normal" flu that I had since 2012.

ThreeBays says

Getting my shot in a few hours along with the rest of my elite friends.

What do you mean by elite? Fat?

Rb6d says

ThreeBays says

Cases in Scotland care homes align perfectly with % of vaccinated residents (4 weeks after vaccination).

I was vaccinated and still got a moderately unpleasant corona (3 wks after vaccination was done), was out for nearly 10 days with 100-101 fever. Worse than any "normal" flu that I had since 2012.

Thanks for sharing and for your honesty.

Any side effects from the vax when you had it?

joshuatrio says

Any side effects from the vax when you had it?

No side effects that I can think of. Felt kinda tired in evening of vaccination, but that might have been psychosomatic. Then 3 weeks later came down with corona. I don't even know who infected me. What is fucking annoying is that BEFORE I was vaccinated, I had 2 colleagues + 3 students + 2 or 3 neighbors come down with corona. I did not get infected, even though in two of the cases I spent hours in a closed car with a coughing person who was claiming "seasonal allergies" or "common cold" and two days later was positive for covid. I can't exclude from data available to me that vaccination made me more susceptible to corona infection.

Scary shit here.

Glad you recovered! Did you lose your sense of smell/taste? If so, freaky eh?

Rb6d says

joshuatrio says

Any side effects from the vax when you had it?

No side effects that I can think of. Felt kinda tired in evening of vaccination, but that might have been psychosomatic. Then 3 weeks later came down with corona. I don't even know who infected me. What is fucking annoying is that BEFORE I was vaccinated, I had 2 colleagues + 3 students + 2 or 3 neighbors come down with corona. I did not get infected, even though in two of the cases I spent hours in a closed car with a coughing person who was claiming "seasonal allergies" or "common cold" and two days later was positive for covid. I can't exclude from data available to me that vaccination made me more susceptible to corona infection.

Strange stuff indeed! Glad you're better and thanks for speaking up.

just_passing_through says

Glad you recovered! Did you lose your sense of smell/taste? If so, freaky eh?

Did not lose any smell/taste. However, beer tasted like crap for a while, even after I was OK. The only symptoms I had was fever and I still feel tired, a week after all is over. For a a few days had also mild chest pains if I deliberately inhaled very deep.

Rb6d says

Did not lose any smell/taste. However, beer tasted like crap for a while

I didn't even notice until maybe day 5 or 6 when I decided since I was staying home sick I may as well spend the day smoking some ribs. Thought the fire was out but then realized I just couldn't smell the smoke.

Smell came back just fine though.

Ceffer says

Don't watch this one if you have had the jab:

Where is Jesse Ventura nowadays?

ThreeBays says

cases

Cases are an extremely unreliable metric, because the test itself is extremely unreliable.

Deaths are all that matter.

Patrick says

Cases are an extremely unreliable metric, because the test itself is extremely unreliable.

Yep, our friends 5 y.o. son was tested positive for Covid couple of weeks ago. Then the whole family tested positive while having 0 symptoms. They immediately went to a different testing facility and got negative results on the second test for everybody, including the boy. But they were counted as 4 "cases" for the purpose of "covid statistics".

Patrick says

Deaths are all that matter.

Even those don't matter much either. The vast majority of those dying have other severe ailments. Not just being overweight or high BP or something. Serious shit. Stuff that may have killed them in weeks or months anyway. Over 50% living past life expectancy. I may be conservative on that as well.

Basically most the people dying are damn near bed ridden and dead anyway. It's not like a healthy 70 year old splitting fire wood just dropped dead. Other ailments have decided to stop killing people somehow. That's evidence enough to smell the bull shit. No one here or anyone I know has known an average in health person that has died from covid at any age. No one.

"Covid vaccine turning women into nymphomaniacs who never get pregnant. Men dying of sperm milking exhaustion from rabid, bonobo females in heat."

Well, I can always dream.

ThreeBays says

porkchopexpress says

I would just rather defend against it naturally vs some experimental method for which we have no idea what the long term effects are.

I respect that, but my opinion is I'd rather get the Vax than the virus. The immune response (fever, etc) is going to be there in both but worse with the virus that multiplies uncontrollably and also has means to suppress part of your immune systems. The mRNA doesn't reproduce itself, and doesn't fuck up the cells lining your lungs which we don't know the long term effect of either.

On of my reports got light covid last year, but then felt crap for 6 months with headaches and lethargy.

I don't disagree that some people get long Covid, but most people fully recover and feel great, including me. As far as the virus itself goes, you're right...the key to avoiding death, injury, long Covid, etc. is to squash the viral replication phase of the infection as quickly as possible so that the inflammatory phase is minimized. The jab is supposed to help with that, and I don't dispute it. However, there are a lot of pre- and post-infection therapeutics that the public can take that will do the same or better in my opinion. For example, Ivermectin is proven to eradicate virus replication and Vit D is proven to significantly boost one's immune system. Why didn't the CDC, FDA, Fauci, etc. push for that level of supplementation/treatment? Because in order to get FDA emergency authorization, you CANNOT have any viable alternative therapeutics. They played politics with people's lives when there are clearly VERY solid options to protect ourselves. What does that tell you about the motives of the "powers that be" to get all of us "vaccinated"?

I'd much rather take supplements and Ivermectin, which is a wonder drug that won the Nobel Prize and proven to be safe for a long time.

ThreeBays says

I respect that, but my opinion is I'd rather get the Vax than the virus.

You're likely older then. I respect people that want to get it as long as they don't push it on me. Being in my 30's, I don't need the vaccine. It kills those with terminal diseases or are massively unhealthy in my age range and older age ranges. I'm also sure I had it in January as I don't trust the tests. No one should.

I don't care if one gets the vaccine, but don't push it or support media pushing this shit. I wish you well as nobody has any clue what the long term effects are for any of the vaccines. It hasn't even been a year since the first test poke on anyone.

porkchopexpress says

However, there are a lot of pre- and post-infection therapeutics that the public can take that will do the same or better in my opinion. For example, Ivermectin is proven to eradicate virus replication and Vit D is proven to significantly boost one's immune system. Why didn't the CDC, FDA, Fauci, etc. push for that level of supplementation/treatment? Because in order to get FDA emergency authorization, you CANNOT have any viable alternative therapeutics. They played politics with people's lives when there are clearly VERY solid options to protect ourselves. What does that tell you about the motives of the "powers that be" to get all of us "vaccinated"?

Don't forget injectable Quercetin, the best natural anti-inflammatory with both anti-viral and anti-tumor properties.

https://patrick.net/post/1338735/2021-04-08-injectable-quercetin-exists-the-covid-a

https://patrick.net/post/1334265/2020-08-04-trump-pills-may-be-illegal-but-rin-pills-are-here-and-here-to-stay

Though it's protected by the Dietary & Supplement Act of 1994, if you talk about it, you can lose your license to practice medicine.

FuckCCP89 says

Then the whole family tested positive while having 0 symptoms.

There were reports of a can of coke testing positive, and a guava fruit.

A better view of the 'serial seizures' after moderna shot. Guy watching the first seizure in the car over starts having his own seizure shortly thereafter.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNnnfjJDSOI/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again

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Less than 5 minutes from getting God knows what injected inside them the two people to my left starting having seizures. First the gentlemen in the red car was watching in shock as the driver next to him was having a seizure. Little did he know he would have one right after him. I called the medics to help him. They have a procedure where after you get the shot you have to wait in the car for 15 min and if something goes wrong to honk your horn and someone will show up. Well these folks to my left just passed out into seizures with no warning. If someone didn’t notice (in this case it was me) these folks would just continue having seizures. This policy must change. I told the (women) in charge she ignored me I told another man he pointed me back to the women in power like he can’t do nothing. Smh

Folks this happened within 5 minutes of them getting the first round of Moderna!

This is something else folks. Don’t shoot your self up with this over something that has 99.8% recovery rate. Look what happened to these guys! In front of my eyes y’all. I WITNESSED IT ALL HAPPEN! (God planted me there this morning) for me to see this to show y’all!

This was just one minute of a 10 minute situation. I only filmed the end after the medics came!

The beginning was much more chaotic. It was like a wave of seizures jumping from car to car and mine was next!

I’ve never seen anything like this! I was like I hope they don’t turn into zombies cuz a buddy of mine forced by his (mother) to get the shot was in the back seat and he just got shot up with this stuff. I drove him there and back. Didn’t get the shot nor would ever get it

I was like bro look at me in my eyes sit where I can keep my eyes on you. Lol seriously tho

The whole time I was like this is it. The zombie apocalypse. Those Qanon folks was right all along lol 🐸

Folks don’t do this to yourself

Just don’t do it!

You see we don’t know what 5 months 5 years what this does to you... if it can bring healthy young men to instant seizures...

As always

The Messenger

Zetaman"

CCP and Globalists have come clean, and have re-named the 'World Health Organization' the 'One World Programmed Extermination Organization'.

ThreeBays says

porkchopexpress says

Why didn't the CDC, FDA, Fauci, etc. push for that level of supplementation/treatment? Because in order to get FDA emergency authorization, you CANNOT have any viable alternative therapeutics. They played politics with people's lives when there are clearly VERY solid options to protect ourselves. What does that tell you about the motives of the "powers that be" to get all of us "vaccinated"?

I'm not inclined to think it's political when lots of countries that aren't that politically affiliated see the same thing.

Not true. Other countries such as India and Australia are dishing out Vitamin D supplements to their populace and prescribing proven drugs such as Ivermectin and HCQ.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2021/02/22/news/countries-treating-covid-patients-probiotics-vitamin-d-canada

Even Fauci admitted in an email that he takes 6,000 IU of Vitamin D per day, but SAYS NOTHING TO US
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/12/01/vitamin-d-and-covid-what-fauci-isnt-telling-you/

How is this NOT political or monetarily driven? We have proven drugs and supplements to treat this now, but our country did nothing to promote it. But go ahead and join this giant science experiment and inject yourself with something new. They NEEDED this to be a crisis. Ridiculous if you don't see an issue with that.

Scandinavian/Finland countries have suspended vaccines for all but over 65.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/30/overreaction-or-honesty-why-scandinavia-suspended-astrazeneca-vaccinationsk

Ceffer says

Scandinavian/Finland countries have suspended vaccines for all but over 65.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/30/overreaction-or-honesty-why-scandinavia-suspended-astrazeneca-vaccinationsk

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joshuatrio says

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Try this. I guess they pulled the other article, but they have several others along the same lines.

https://www.euronews.com/tag/covid-19

More good news about the absolutely safe vaccines:


As you would expect, the central planning geniuses are doing everything they can to cover up the side effects to keep the suckers rolling in for the vaccines.

Doctors are often compartmentalized in their work, and covetous of their titles, pay and status, so they are easy to silence with threats of striking them through licensure and firing.

Did the psychopathic Globalists want these side effects? No, they wanted to get people used to being vaccinated at will by the government, and for the vaccines to operate as a 'slow poison' that would introduce their baleful side effects later, after the jabbers have left the scene of the crime.

These side effects may be an odd blessing to the population by informing them of what is up before the great kill is possible for the Globalists to impose.

Otherwise, the ongoing sicknesses CAUSED by the vaccines would simply act as a premise to reinforce the need for MORE vaccines.

"Unfortunately, most of the management of this pandemic makes no sense." LOL.

I would say, unfortunately, it makes perfect sense if you are Globalist Dr. Mengele.

Jeffrey Prather has a saying that no plan survives the first five minutes of its execution (because of unpredictable variables) and it is going to take the Globalists extreme measures of threat, intimidation, bribery, blackmail, lies and MSM pressure to keep these rabbits in the top hat.

ThreeBays says

Well, you say there are VERY solid options but in practice the results are not that proven. Here's just a recent controlled study concluding Invermectin doesn't help at all https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389

Ivermectin is an anti viral and people with mild symptoms have low viral load. It cut down from 12 to 10 days resolution which may not be statistically significant (though close) but makes perfect sense that in people with low viral load the difference is obviously not big or significant. You have to try this with people with high viral load and strong symptoms. If you have a mild cold you don't do anything as it goes away on its own, you certainly don't take anti viral. This bullshit "study" is just FUD used to make more money to the vaxxer industry. Whereas the numerous other studies where Ivermectin was used in people with serious symptoms cut down death and hospitalization to up to 80%.

mell says

This bullshit "study" is just FUD used to make more money to the vaxxer industry. Whereas the numerous other studies where Ivermectin was used in people with serious symptoms cut down death and hospitalization to up to 80%.

Exactly. There are numerous studies that show it has a significant impact, including real doctors prescribing it with resounding success.

ThreeBays says

I'd rather get the Vax than the virus.

I'd rather get neither.

Ceffer says

These side effects may be an odd blessing to the population by informing them of what is up before the great kill is possible for the Globalists to impose.

Otherwise, the ongoing sicknesses CAUSED by the vaccines would simply act as a premise to reinforce the need for MORE vaccines.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have, secretly in my mind, wished that the vax believers would die en mass so that Freedom would once again be loved as it should.

Eric Holder says

ThreeBays says

I'd rather get the Vax than the virus.

I'd rather get neither.

I'd rather go golfing in a thunderstorm. Still less likely to die from all 3 scenarios.

I still don't think some understand how trivial covid is. Neighbor got the 2nd poke 2 days ago. She was out by 8pm last night and we'll all usually hang until midnight or 2am on a weekend. She was not herself.

I hung out with her husband until about 1am this morning. He got the J&J poke and was wearing a blanket to keep warm inside his home... It wasn't cold... at all. We've been good friends with them for about 4 years now. Ex Marine macho type. Works for a big company and hired Jacko Wilink (sp?) to talk to his underlings. So that type of guy. It was extremely weird.

I'm an anecdotal person and it just seemed off. He gave in to the peer pressure from his wife. They're going to Hawaii in June and I guess they're still anal about covid out there. It's very foreign to us or people that haven't traveled how seriously people continue to take this. Covid really is a joke. It has 100% been politicized. And sure, you can say well why did the whole globe react? I'll up you one and ask why did 1/5th of the worlds population only have 5k deaths from it and it has basically disappeared and they hated Trump? No one can answer that. If the virus exists in more than 10-100 people at any moment, it will spread to others.

ThreeBays says

The summary on Ivermectin is here https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/.

TL;DR it's not estimated to be effective as "pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans". Some small studies show improvement in outcomes, some nothing, some worsening of outcomes - so broader studies are being conducted. The idea that it's being ignored is a political argument.

https://pgibertie.files.wordpress.com/2021/03/74-1_44-95.pdf
https://www.healio.com/news/primary-care/20201208/this-was-a-gift-to-us-ivermectin-effective-for-covid19-prophylaxis-treatment

Remember, our government doesn't want Ivermectin (or anything other than experimental gene therapy) to work because that would invalidate their FDA emergency authorization. So, choose your sources of information wisely.

CDC is a whorish communion of government subsidized agency and private non-profit Foundation. The CDC gets over a billion a year from the Guv, and the Foundation is tax free, so they fuck the taxpayer two ways. They hold 20 vaccine patents. Do you really think that anything that comes from them rises above self serving, for profit propaganda?

i love how the LibbyFucks, seditionists, and insurrectionists use the 'non-profit foundation' vehicle for their 'for profit' criminal activities.

joshuatrio says

Ceffer says

Scandinavian/Finland countries have suspended vaccines for all but over 65.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/30/overreaction-or-honesty-why-scandinavia-suspended-astrazeneca-vaccinationsk

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That got censored fast!

ThreeBays says

WineHorror1 says

I have, secretly in my mind, wished that the vax believers would die en mass so that Freedom would once again be loved as it should.

The hypocrisy in this post is remarkable.

I keep hearing that rightists want half of Americans to perish so that they can have their political way. The true roots of fascism right there.

Really? Anyone on the Right wants half of Americans to perish because of one comment? Don't be silly.

ThreeBays says

The hypocrisy in this post is remarkable.

I keep hearing that rightists want half of Americans to perish so that they can have their political way. The true roots of fascism right there.

Who said that?

porkchopexpress says

ThreeBays says

WineHorror1 says

I have, secretly in my mind, wished that the vax believers would die en mass so that Freedom would once again be loved as it should.

The hypocrisy in this post is remarkable.

I keep hearing that rightists want half of Americans to perish so that they can have their political way. The true roots of fascism right there.

Really? Anyone on the Right wants half of Americans to perish because of one comment? Don't be silly.

Too many people have bought into the fearmongering on the .gov and the media. IMO, if anyone should pay the price, it is these people. The love of Freedom is not shared by all of us. It is obvious. Let those that do not love Freedom be the ones to pay the price.

The vaxxers may end up being the only survivors. All of us "anti-vaxxers" are going to die

These evil globalist are always three steps ahead in their forceful takeover of the last bastion of liberty, AMERICA! Maybe the "vaccine" is just a test of our ability to follow orders.

What if the globalists are distributing the immunity for a virus they already have? What if the virus they are about to release is so horrible that those that can't survive the experimental biologic agent would never survive the coming plague?

What if they are playing God?

Conspiracy message over. Please return to your regularly scheduled propaganda.